still with the fucking morons here who have never trained without drugs and compare their mediocre results to others and cant fathom what is possible naturally so brand it all as drug aided.
train for 10-15 years..naturally..start at a good genetic base from doing school sports..at say, 17 years old and 175lb at 6 feet tall.
you WILL add 5-10kg in the first year..as a natural (given reasonable genetics)...then less as the years go on..but a kg per year is not impossible for a natural..and more is usual.
ive said it many times before..this natural impossibility stuff is crap to make you users feel good about yourselves.
my mates are all drug free, and some are coming to their 22nd year of training....they all played school sports and were good athletes... they are all around 6' or taller..and they all weigh over 110kg these days..in good shape..thats 240lb+.
without exception we all went over 220lb within the first 5 years of training naturally..the rest has come gradually and through effort and discipline.
the exception ive noticed is those who DONT make such gains... hard gainers basically. within these circles ive got mates that have barely put on 5kg over 20 years...but they are about 1 out of 10..the rest have done well.
so if groink claims natural..i believe him.. i weighed 125kg when i stopped training, which was about 8 years ago now...and i trained from 1989 through to about 2001..thats 12 years.. went from 75kg to 125kg. thats 50kg over 12 years...or 4 kg per year..about 10lb per year on average, but year 1 i got to 84kg..thats 20lb gain, year 2 was 90kg..so, another 15lb, it took 4 more years to get to 105kg..i.e. 33 more pounds...and so on..
my mates werent so blessed, but still did a great job and, like i said, went from 175lb somethings to 240lb+ over the same timeframe.
flame away disbelievers..for your own mediocre's sake.
i couldnt care less about the doubters..ive seen it, done it, know others whove done it , and so on..
its the insecurities of the steroid taker that intrigue me..and this site has it in spades!