MMA fighters vs. IFBB pros (Bob Chick Melting Down)

[Chick]

Ha ha!  Your paycheck sucks!  You work in an industry that dwindles by the day because MOST people think its a joke.  Sad thing is, that you actually think you make good money...lol.

Guys like you can never make it in the real business world, because the minute you walk into an interview, board room or whatever, it is instantly known that you are a drug-dealing felon.    

If you had any clue as to what my paycheck was, you would see what a Jackass you just made of yourself (again)...

The "real" business world is where I derive my living, and BB.com (my main contract) made over 130M last year...


Keep flipping burgers, son...

[Ursus]

I googled - I am not an american so cant watch them on youtube

You are not earning the same as LeBron for example stop lying you filthy swine.

If you dont compete you are merely a compere - which is fine

Who i am is no secret. I am an average guy who likes lifting weights, i used to like pro bodybuilding until this site revealed to me what a sordid filthy path littered with needles, spunk and grapefruits pro bbuilding is.

I am here for the humour and the odd interesting thread now. i am just repeating what was told to me about the G4P by BEEFHEAVYWEIGHT i think it was.

[Chick]

I googled - I am not an american so cant watch them on youtube

You are not earning the same as LeBron for example stop lying you filthy swine.

If you dont compete you are merely a compere - which is fine

Who i am is no secret. I am an average guy who likes lifting weights, i used to like pro bodybuilding until this site revealed to me what a sordid filthy path littered with needles, spunk and grapefruits pro bbuilding is.

I am here for the humour and the odd interesting thread now. i am just repeating what was told to me about the G4P by BEEFHEAVYWEIGHT i think it was.

If you choose to make that statement based on the select few who have chosen to do that stuff...thats your opinion. 

[noworries]

If you had any clue as to what my paycheck was, you would see what a Jackass you just made of yourself (again)...

The "real" business world is where I derive my living, and BB.com (my main contract) made over 130M last year...


Keep flipping burgers, son...

I once was under contract with a company that did well over a billion dollars a year in business.  That sure didn't mean I was rich too.

[Ursus]

If you choose to make that statement based on the select few who have chosen to do that stuff...thats your opinion. 

Have you ever heard the phrase "where there is smoke there's fire"

What is you official stance on IFBB pros engaging in G4P - Do the IFBB care or personally do you care about it, endorse or support it?

[Chick]

Have you ever heard the phrase "where there is smoke there's fire"

What is you official stance on IFBB pros engaging in G4P - Do the IFBB care or personally do you care about it, endorse or support it?

Yes, I have heard the phrase...what does it have to do with what were talking about?


Name me the top 20 BBers in the world...how many do you believe deal in this?


Do you not watch football because of the Michael Vick conviction?

How about baseball because of the steroid bullshit?

[Parker]

It wasn't a dumb post.  Your exaggerative perception of what he is said is "dumb", however, that is your reading comprehension, not his point. 

What he said was that many people get into bb'ing and consequently think they are instant alpha male toughguys.  At no stage did suggest what you claim he was saying.  He's talking about people who believe added muscle inceases their fighting potential far more than is actually true.

You're way smarter than taking ye olde "indignation exaggeration" angle of an argument. I don't know why you are lowering yourself to it.  It really is the method of the morose.

The same could be said about MMA,  face it the main base for Bodybulding AND MMA is insecure males wanting to be alpha males. A professor once put it best, when you suck at sports, school, and have no talent for making money, and you are not cool, the main things that determine a alpha male in America, then you turn to MMA. And many of you confirm that with your "TapOut twinks remarks". Let's face it American males today are nothing more than wannabes, because their families and society has failed them in making and showing examples of true alpha males.

[Chick]

you have more posts than he does.  What does that make you

A pro BB that posts on a BB board for 8 years

[2Thick]

Two forum moderators - both legends in their own minds - openly and viciously fighting over "alpha maleness" on a bodybuilding message board. Where else but Getbig can you find this shit?

[ManBearPig...]

I buy Nike shoes regularly.  They do a couple billion a year.

[Captain Equipoise]

Yes, I have heard the phrase...what does it have to do with what were talking about?


Name me the top 20 BBers in the world...how many do you believe deal in this?


Do you not watch football because of the Michael Vick conviction?

How about baseball because of the steroid bullshit?

We need to concentrate on more significant matters, like keeping steroids out of T-ball!

[rocket]

My comprehension is just fine, thank you...


First, he's speaking from his OWN references as he would have no knowledge of whether anyone actually got into bodybuilding to be the "alpha male"...so the original argument is ridiculous at best

Aside from that...what if you're a toughguy that just happend to get into BB? I guess you automatically become a pussy, right? All skills are lost?  I boxed as a youth, and was pretty damn good t it...

The very debate is silly, thus the comment as to being "dumb"....comparing two different athletes who train completely different, have different goals, etc....is ludicrous.

Whilst I completely disagree with you on his comment being "dumb", when you justify it with something that isn't a misrepresentation of what he said, that passes the regulatory committee's stringent guidlines.

Human beings are on this earth due absolutely to idea that only the strong survive.  So to say that it is "dumb" to suggest that most people who lift weights didn't start with a goal to increase their alpha male status (be it for vag, conflict, whatever) is in my opinion, the dumb comment.  If anything it's so blatantly obvious it isn't worth mentioning.  It is worth mentioning that after a little while, most of us realised we were not actually increasing in fight potential as much as the people around us changed their perception.  Some people, of course, believe their own hype. 

Aside from that...what if you're a toughguy that just happend to get into BB? I guess you automatically become a pussy, right? All skills are lost?  I boxed as a youth, and was pretty damn good t it...

Absolutely, that is great example, worth debating.  Yes, that is correct.  The moment you began bodybuilding you instantly lost all potential to box.  You became a pussy.  Anybody with two classes of MMA could beat you

[rocket]

I think it's funny that all MMA fans automatically assume that everyone who does MMA training is a badass.

I will give it up to guys who have fought successfully....but the average gym rat is the average gym rat, be it MMA or BBing . No one is better than the other

Yeah, that's a good comment.  Although surely you can see how right now outside of MMA circles there is a perception that boxing training = fight potential, whereas the truth is actually a little more complicated than that.

I think in a few years, when MMA is more popular it might just start to dawn upon people (as in regular society) that it isn't only all about whether you can throw a punch.  When that happens, I think your comment will be more true.  Right now, there are some guys who could beat the shit out of you if you let them, but if you know how to fight on the ground, they've got very little chance of doing anything other than demolishing you quickly.

I think I've said this about 4 times now, I thought the same until I saw early UFC.  It's shocking just how different things go when the guy has no perception of ground training (and you can't use the example of GSP dominating that last fight, UFC 1 was much more clinical than that).  Even the guys fighting and getting dominated on the ground train for it, thesedays.  The difference when they didn't is hilarious.  Bare knuckle fighting and these beasts are beaten without really being punched.

It might be different here in australia.  We don't have wrestling in highschool.  It just isn't done.  You'd honestly almost have superpowers in one on one fights if you knew how to fight with wrestling or BJJ.  US might be a bit different.

[Howard]

BB = all show no go.



Trained mma fighter = real life bad ass.

Yes, but could an MMA beat a top pro BB on a pro contest stage in a posedown?
Different sports , different goals.
That is like having a lawyer do an operation on ya instead of an MD or vice versa.
I guess we can send in Lebron James to score the winning goal in a hockey game or have an NHL player post up on Shaq...I will never understand these kind of "comparisons" or need to have bodybuilders fight in MMA.

[Palpatine Q]

Yeah, that's a good comment.  Although surely you can see how right now outside of MMA circles there is a perception that boxing training = fight potential, whereas the truth is actually a little more complicated than that.

I think in a few years, when MMA is more popular it might just start to dawn upon people (as in regular society) that it isn't only all about whether you can throw a punch.  When that happens, I think your comment will be more true.  Right now, there are some guys who could beat the shit out of you if you let them, but if you know how to fight on the ground, they've got very little chance of doing anything other than demolishing you quickly.

I think I've said this about 4 times now, I thought the same until I saw early UFC.  It's shocking just how different things go when the guy has no perception of ground training (and you can't use the example of GSP dominating that last fight, UFC 1 was much more clinical than that).  Even the guys fighting and getting dominated on the ground train for it, thesedays.  The difference when they didn't is hilarious.  Bare knuckle fighting and these beasts are beaten without really being punched.

It might be different here in australia.  We don't have wrestling in highschool.  It just isn't done.  You'd honestly almost have superpowers in one on one fights if you knew how to fight with wrestling or BJJ.  US might be a bit different.

I see your point as well. To expand on what I'm saying, I mean that just because someone is schooled in the arts be it  jujitsu , grappling, muy tai or boxing you are really not a person to be reckoned with unless you are physically capable enough and proficient enough in your discipline that you can use it in a real world, real time situation...against a person who has bad intentions.

 We all know the guy who's a "black belt' and tries his moves on you...and they don't work, or you just knock him on his ass. So he tells you "no put your arm out like this" and it still doesn't work LOL

[Captain Equipoise]

Yes, but could an MMA beat a top pro BB on a pro contest stage in a posedown?
Different sports , different goals.
That is like having a lawyer do an operation on ya instead of an MD or vice versa.
I guess we can send in Lebron James to score the winning goal in a hockey game or have an NHL player post up on Shaq...I will never understand these kind of "comparisons" or need to have bodybuilders fight in MMA.

I think the point was what's more useful in life, useless big muscle, or the ability to defend yourself from several attackers at once and walk around with no worries because you know for the most part you can handle the situation 99% of the time?

[Palpatine Q]

I think the point was what's more useful in life, useless big muscle, or the ability to defend yourself from several attackers at once and walk around with no worries because you know for the most part you can handle the situation 99% of the time?

I can only assume that you are much younger than i.  at 25 years old I could see where that would be somewhat important, being in clubs and bars rather frequently. But as you get older the likelihood that you are gonna have to "throw down" dwindles significantly, whereas being a muscular dude is still a worthwhile pursuit and helps with banging women

[Captain Equipoise]

I can only assume that you are much younger than i.  at 25 years old I could see where that would be somewhat important, being in clubs and bars rather frequently. But as you get older the likelihood that you are gonna have to "throw down" dwindles significantly, whereas being a muscular dude is still a worthwhile pursuit and helps with banging women

I'm 30, and bounced in clubs for 8 years.  I would agree with you, but there is always the situation that you're at a foreign country (on vacation) with your wife...let's say mexico, you're enjoying a romantic walk in the evening and some local thugs try to mug you. Being an MMA badass would most certainly be an advantage in this situation, whereas being ronnie coleman would be useless.

[rccs]

I'm 30, and bounced in clubs for 8 years.  I would agree with you, but there is always the situation that you're at a foreign country (on vacation) with your wife...let's say mexico, you're enjoying a romantic walk in the evening and some local thugs try to mug you. Being an MMA badass would most certainly be an advantage in this situation, whereas being ronnie coleman would be useless.

You bounced... where? Kindergarden??? You are dellusional... I also bounced and let me tell you that you CANNOT handle 5 guys in one time and you ARE NO MATCH to a gun... So, being a "tough mma" guy might bring you more problems than benefits...

[Chick]

You bounced... where? Kindergarden??? You are dellusional... I also bounced and let me tell you that you CANNOT handle 5 guys in one time and you ARE NO MATCH to a gun... So, being a "tough mma" guy might bring you more problems than benefits...

Agreed.....I think these guys watch too many movies.  Even two on one is a difficult situation.

The bottom line is, the very argument is ridiculous...you could insert anybody into it and come out with the same conclusion...

the MMA fighter will have a clear and distinct advantage in a MMA fight...big surprise.

[MindSpin]

If you had any clue as to what my paycheck was, you would see what a Jackass you just made of yourself (again)...

The "real" business world is where I derive my living, and BB.com (my main contract) made over 130M last year...


Keep flipping burgers, son...

Obviously you have no idea who I am and I'm willing to bet $5,000 right now that I make more money than you.  Let's get Ron involved and make this wager "son".

[Parker]

I'm 30, and bounced in clubs for 8 years.  I would agree with you, but there is always the situation that you're at a foreign country (on vacation) with your wife...let's say mexico, you're enjoying a romantic walk in the evening and some local thugs try to mug you. Being an MMA badass would most certainly be an advantage in this situation, whereas being ronnie coleman would be useless.

You'd get shot plain and simple, if not behaed. You see what those gangs and drug cartels are doing to people in Tijuana? Hell, they even killed a border officer. And the dudes in Brazil don't play neither...This isn't a Jean Claude Van Damn movie.

[MindSpin]

The same could be said about MMA,  face it the main base for Bodybulding AND MMA is insecure males wanting to be alpha males. A professor once put it best, when you suck at sports, school, and have no talent for making money, and you are not cool, the main things that determine a alpha male in America, then you turn to MMA. And many of you confirm that with your "TapOut twinks remarks". Let's face it American males today are nothing more than wannabes, because their families and society has failed them in making and showing examples of true alpha males.

You are correct.  Both MMA & Bodybuilding draw mainly insecure young men.  But, those who turn to bodybuilding quickly find that there is no money in it, you have to become a drug dealer just to compete at the local level and after they've built all that useless muscle, they're still not the alpha dog.  At least the guys who turn to MMA get to be part of a growing sport and they are able to develop real athletic skills.  

[MindSpin]

I buy Nike shoes regularly.  They do a couple billion a year.

lol.

[Chick]

Obviously you have no idea who I am and I'm willing to bet $5,000 right now that I make more money than you.  Let's get Ron involved and make this wager "son".

WOW...a multi-millionaire AND worlds toughest guy.

A getbig original


I didn't know Ron prepared your taxes this year...my bad