Michael Moore and Capitalism

[Nordic Superman]

Define Natural Selection.

Huh? Man, you really are one epic intellectual coward aren't you?

You've got yourself in a corner because of your stupid assertions normally based on assumption. Bravo.

[The True Adonis]

you're saying they LOST the lawsuit?  is that what you are saying?  yes, please inform us.

Claims against Moore contrary to 'fair use'

The Pantagraph's assertion (July 30) that Michael Moore committed copyright infringement by reporting on a newspaper headline in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" is one of the most dubious legal claims ever made.
The doctrine of "fair use" clearly protects Moore's right to tell the public what a headline in The Pantagraph declared.

[Soul Crusher]

Something tells me you didn`t read any book.  Andrew C. McCarthy never wrote a book about Michael Moore.

Instead of reading Marx & engle - why not read something that makes sense like this?

[The True Adonis]

Huh? Man, you really are one epic intellectual coward aren't you?

You've got yourself in a corner because of your stupid assertions normally based on assumption. Bravo.

Again, you asked,

 "Prove to me that "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is truly natural selection in progress"

I want you to define what you think "Natural Selection" in capitalism is in order for me to accurately address your question.

You may have a different definition than others and certainly mine.  Your definition clearly has NOTHING to do with the biological tenements as that would be silly to transplant Darwin`s work word for word and try to apply it to economics.  It wouldn`t fit so nicely.

So what is YOUR definition so I can address your question.

[Nordic Superman]

Again, you asked,

 "Prove to me that "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is truly natural selection in progress"

I want you to define what you think "Natural Selection" in capitalism is in order for me to accurately address your question.

You may have a different definition than others and certainly mine.  Your definition clearly has NOTHING to do with the biological tenements as that would be silly to transplant Darwin`s work word for word and try to apply it to economics.  It wouldn`t fit so nicely.

So what is YOUR definition so I can address your question.

Given that you made both the assumption of my position and the assertion, in debate it rests on your shoulders to provide the evidence behind your statement.

Describe to me what you think natural selection is and how "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is equal to it as you assume.

You clearly know little about Darwinian natural selection if you find it an unfitting model (all things considered).

[Soul Crusher]

Given that you made both the assumption of my position and the assertion, in debate it rests on your shoulders to provide the evidence behind your statement.

Describe to me what you think natural selection is and how "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is equal to it as you assume.

You clearly know little about Darwinian natural selection if you find it an unfitting model (all things considered).

TA has spent way too much time in the university atmosphere.   

[boonasty]

Adonis please post a link that states that newspaper LOST the lawsuit.

Also did you read the articles? Did you read what moore did?

[Kazan]

What I really want to know is, did you get a free bowl of soup with that hair cut TA?

[The True Adonis]

Given that you made both the assumption of my position and the assertion, in debate it rests on your shoulders to provide the evidence behind your statement.

Describe to me what you think natural selection is and how "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is equal to it as you assume.

You clearly know little about Darwinian natural selection if you find it an unfitting model (all things considered).

1. 1.  I simply asked if you supported unabashed capitalism ala Robber Baronies, slavery, expendable workers with no rights.  since you wrote " I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".  I did not assume anything.

2. Unabashed capitalism to me is privately controlled and operated trade, industry with means of production being owned and controlled privately where the motive is profit.  The "unabashed" part comes from little to no regulation on business practices, no or little workers rights, slavery, violence, concentration of power, gaining and keeping production by force or coercion or intimidation, no protection from monopolies.

3. How does the genotype determine the phenotype in capitalism?  What allele frequency is applicable to all means of production?  How does Sexual Selection fit into Capitalism? How do you measure speciation in capitalism?  Biological Natural Selection has no end goal whatsoever.  Does Capitalism also have no end goal?  Just some things to think about or answer if you can.

[The True Adonis]

Adonis please post a link that states that newspaper LOST the lawsuit.

Also did you read the articles? Did you read what moore did?

The "lawsuit" never made it beyond threatening.  Michael Moore said, "Bring it on" and knew that he was protected under fair use laws and therefore never violated a Copyright.

The Newspaper ran, with tail tucked between their legs and looked totally stupid for claiming a copyright infringement.

[Kazan]

1. 1.  I simply asked if you supported unabashed capitalism ala Robber Baronies, slavery, expendable workers with no rights.  since you wrote " I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".  I did not assume anything.

2. Unabashed capitalism to me is privately controlled and operated trade, industry with means of production being owned and controlled privately where the motive is profit.  The "unabashed" part comes from little to no regulation on business practices, no or little workers rights, slavery, violence, concentration of power, gaining and keeping production by force or coercion or intimidation, no protection from monopolies.

3. How does the genotype determine the phenotype in capitalism?  What allele frequency is applicable to all means of production?  How does Sexual Selection fit into Capitalism? How do you measure speciation in capitalism?  Biological Natural Selection has no end goal whatsoever.  Does Capitalism also have no end goal?  Just some things to think about or answer if you can.

Took you a while to google all this and paraphrase someone else's thoughts?

[The True Adonis]

Took you a while to google all this and paraphrase someone else's thoughts?

Come again?

[Kazan]

Come again?

Took you a while to google all this and paraphrase someone else's thoughts?

Or maybe you had to get a quick trim?

[Nordic Superman]

1. 1.  I simply asked if you supported unabashed capitalism ala Robber Baronies, slavery, expendable workers with no rights.  since you wrote " I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".  I did not assume anything.

2. Unabashed capitalism to me is privately controlled and operated trade, industry with means of production being owned and controlled privately where the motive is profit.  The "unabashed" part comes from little to no regulation on business practices, no or little workers rights, slavery, violence, concentration of power, gaining and keeping production by force or coercion or intimidation, no protection from monopolies.

3. How does the genotype determine the phenotype in capitalism?  What allele frequency is applicable to all means of production?  How does Sexual Selection fit into Capitalism? How do you measure speciation in capitalism?  Biological Natural Selection has no end goal whatsoever.  Does Capitalism also have no end goal?  Just some things to think about or answer if you can.

1., 2. I'm sick of explaining my stance on these, scroll up, read, take in.

3. Genotype - phenotype relationship; the gene could be applied to many things, human wants and desires from the market, the market reshapes accordingly etc. as it does already. The market becomes a representation of the will of the people.

Sexual selection isn't quite the same, brands could be seen as individuals, some more appealing than others therefore more successful.

What is capitalisms end goal? Natural selection contains the system, keeps it equilibrated; if you're against this economically, stick to boom and bust and bailouts.

The "What allele frequency is applicable to all means of production?" sounds like drivel to me, added for some kind of intellectual effect. If it's not, explain this part further.

[boonasty]

The "lawsuit" never made it beyond threatening.  Michael Moore said, "Bring it on" and knew that he was protected under fair use laws and therefore never violated a Copyright.

The Newspaper ran, with tail tucked between their legs and looked totally stupid for claiming a copyright infringement.

So now you're saying no one lost it when before you implied they did.

Adonis im starting to believe you are in fact full of shit a lot of the time just as several people here claim

This is a sad day for boonasty

Now being a man of principle as evidenced by your parking ticket issue what do you think of the newspaper filing a one dollar lawsuit on principle which was dropped by them voluntarily~?

[The True Adonis]

So now you're saying no one lost it when before you implied they did.

Adonis im starting to believe you are in fact full of shit a lot of the time just as several people here claim

This is a sad day for boonasty

Now being a man of principle as evidenced by your parking ticket issue what do you think of the newspaper filing a one dollar lawsuit on principle which was dropped by them voluntarily~?

The paper wanted a one million dollar lawsuit not one dollar.  They weren`t able to bring a suit since there was no basis for the lawsuit by what they claimed.  In short, they never had a case.

Michael Moore wins again.  Is this so hard not to comprehend?

[The True Adonis]

1., 2. I'm sick of explaining my stance on these, scroll up, read, take in.

3. Genotype - phenotype relationship; the gene could be applied to many things, human wants and desires from the market, the market reshapes accordingly etc. as it does already. The market becomes a representation of the will of the people.

Sexual selection isn't quite the same, brands could be seen as individuals, some more appealing than others therefore more successful.

What is capitalisms end goal? Natural selection contains the system, keeps it equilibrated; if you're against this economically, stick to boom and bust and bailouts.

The "What allele frequency is applicable to all means of production?" sounds like drivel to me, added for some kind of intellectual effect. If it's not, explain this part further.

Do you support slavery if it furthers capitalism, which it did in all markets? Slavery works very well to support Capitalism.

[Nordic Superman]

Do you support slavery if it furthers capitalism, which it did in all markets? Slavery works very well to support Capitalism.

What is capitalisms end goal?

I don't support slavery, I support economic equilibrium, a framework based upon what I've proposed in this thread is what I truly believe would be most efficient.

Why do you continue to be an intellectual coward and try to stray off with straw man arguments?

[Soul Crusher]

Do you support slavery if it furthers capitalism, which it did in all markets? Slavery works very well to support Capitalism.

Yeah, those muslims in Africa who sold all the slaves were real captilists.

   

[body88]

Instead of reading Marx & engle - why not read something that makes sense like this?

Excuse me, it was written by Peter Schweizer.  You see, I'm at work and I don't have access to my books.  Anyway, I read it a few years ago and everything I stated (plus more) is in that book.  It's all sourced, which makes it even more funny.  Moore = lier.

http://www.amazon.com/Do-As-Say-Not-Hypocrisy/dp/0385513496

I got the author wrong....I'm trying to work here.  Anyway, give this book a read.  I doubt Adonis has read it.  Moore is a lying shitbag.

[boonasty]

The paper wanted a one million dollar lawsuit not one dollar.  They weren`t able to bring a suit since there was no basis for the lawsuit by what they claimed.  In short, they never had a case.

Michael Moore wins again.  Is this so hard not to comprehend?

Adonis it was ONE DOLLAR not one million. It was a priciple os the thing.

Read the articles again son. One dollar.

[Soul Crusher]

I got the author wrong....I'm trying to work here.  Anyway, give this book a read.  I doubt Adonis has read it.  Moore is a lying shitbag.

Socialists like TA wont read a book like Hazlitt's because it completely destroys their entire belief system. 

As far as Moore goes, he is another dreamer with zero clue about economics and who the real culprits are. 

 

[The True Adonis]

What is capitalisms end goal?

I don't support slavery, I support economic equilibrium, a framework based upon what I've proposed in this thread is what I truly believe would be most efficient.

Why do you continue to be an intellectual coward and try to stray off with straw man arguments?

I asked you to define your "Natural Selection" parameters since you made the statement  "I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".

That statement could easily encompass the permitting of slavery, monopolies, no or few workers rights and allow for coercion, intimidation and violent take overs since it fits perfectly in promoting "natural selection" in capitalism and government to which you are "the biggest proponent" of.

Obviously you are not a 100 percent Capitalist since the above, (which did happen under Capitalism and allowed Capitalism to flourish) you are seemingly against.

[Kazan]

Yeah, those muslims in Africa who sold all the slaves were real captilists.

   

There is a real misconception about slavery, because of the way it is taught/portrayed it is only black people who were slaves. Maybe if people would actually make an attempt they would find that some of the largest slave owners/traders in the south were themselves black men. But you can't let that get in the way of blaming the white man now can you.

[Kazan]

I asked you to define your "Natural Selection" parameters since you made the statement  "I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".

That statement could easily encompass the permitting of slavery, monopolies, no or few workers rights and allow for coercion, intimidation and violent take overs since it fits perfectly in promoting "natural selection" in capitalism and government to which you are "the biggest proponent" of.

Obviously you are not a 100 percent Capitalist since the above, (which did happen under Capitalism and allowed Capitalism to flourish) you are seemingly against.

And salvery didn't allow oh lets, say monarchies, or scoialists, or communist, or Arab\Muslim theocracies to "flourish"? Slave labor has been used by just about every civilization in the history of man. Don't try to portray slavery as some exclusivly capitalist entity.