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Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« on: July 15, 2009, 10:21:51 PM »
Hi, fellas/ladies I was wondering what should I do in order to use less of my delts when bench pressing. They sometimes feel a little funny (not in a good way) when bench pressing.

Also does it make since to do:
Incline barbel
Fly's
bench press - in that order ?

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2009, 02:12:26 AM »
Shoulders are always involved, doing incline movements is usually better on them, don't take to wide a grip.  Your elbows should be at right angles at the bottom of the movement.

I would to the flat bench press before the flyes, do the flyes last in the workout.  If you find the flat bench press hurts more than other chest excersises cut it out and subsitute with other exercises, eg dumbell press.  Many people believe the flat barbell press should not be performed by anyone.

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2009, 03:13:22 AM »
Presses to the neck,  your chest will hurt and you will have to take weight off of the bar but who gives a fuck if you're making gains. 

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 08:47:45 AM »
Is that funky feeling with the delts a joint or ligament concern I wonder. Warming up enough before benching, I also wonder. Is this with a BB or DB, I wonder.

In any event, the front delt can take the major share of work in any style gripping of flat bench, incline or decline pressing. Even in dips. Might try a wider grip to the mid to upper chest. As Lat-Mac suggest, to the neck, which will require a extra wide grip. Ideal would be collar to collar, if arms are long enough. Important to have the elbows out wide and in line with the upper chest/neck at all times. Take it slow and easy at first, the stretch may be something you are not really for yet, if only have been doing regular benches. If doing it to the neck, may want a strong spotter around you.

Has been a big debate here about doing flats first than incline or the other way around. Really  does it make that much difference? May not need fly's at all. Unless you find that any style benching bothers the delts, than focus on using a pec deck or cables for the chest. Good Luck.
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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 08:58:31 AM »
The order is up to you, try different combos and decide. Some type of fly and press should always be there.

If the negative feeling is from BB presses, it's not uncommon. Use DBs instead on presses if you're not already, and use the proven method for better chest and lat isolation in compound motions by pushing the chest forward. That isolates the chest better, reducing delt involvement.

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 09:57:12 AM »
What do you mean by pushing the chest forward ?

Yes my shoulder issues come from barbell pressed movements.

And THANK YOU ALL for helping really TY!

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2009, 03:30:37 AM »
Ever notice that when you are lying on a bench, your shoulders are not? There is no support for the shoulder joint on a flatbench. Some guys try to scrunch them a bit for some kind of random support.

Considering that the upper humerus bone is barely half seated in the glenohumeral cavity, it makes you wonder why people bench at all. the only thing holding that piece of armbone in that hollow out joint cavity are the four tendons of the rotator cuff muscles.


This is why I stay away from exercises that dont offer any support for the shoulder joint.




The shoulder joint is a mobile joint, not a stable joint. It is very easy to compromise the integrity of it's structure.

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2009, 07:54:24 AM »
What do you mean by pushing the chest forward ?

Yes my shoulder issues come from barbell pressed movements.

And THANK YOU ALL for helping really TY!






try pinching your shoulder blades together while performing your pressing movements..i don't know if it does much but it feels to me that i'm using my chest more...
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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 08:06:44 AM »
Of course if you did have complete shoulder support, when doing flat/incline/decline pressing, the ROM would be very limited. Something like doing floor presses. Overhead presses/lateral/front/rear raises/DB flys offers no strong support for the shoulder region either, if following Dyslexic's theme.

I do agree that most abuse the BP, putting too much importance on if as an upper body exercise and the weight used on the bar (ego trip?). It is not always a great chest/pec builder. And not always needed in a productive workout. But when done with forethought, not letting it be the only chest movement, if can strengthen and build the shoulder girdle to a very impressive and powerful degree. As can most overhead pressing.

Just my personal view (that's all..nothing earth shaking) but dips offer a better way to build the chest/pec's, delts and triceps over regular benching. You are pressing down and along side the body, rather than out and away from the body. Allowing the elbows, among other things, to be inline. Exception being dips on a "V" bar, a very good tool when used the correct way. Good Luck.
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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2009, 08:58:32 AM »
JPM:
What technique(s) or tips would you recommend for optimal chest activation on parallel dipping bars where the handles aren’t too wide apart?

I’ve tried doing Gironda-style dips with my elbows flared out wide and maintaining a concave bend in my torso – chin tucked and feet held out in front of the body.

Lately, I’ve been using the same technique, but with my hands positioned on the ends of the handles so that the knuckles point more towards the midline of the body. It’s a bit uncomfortable & unstable, but doable once you get the hang of it.

Anything else you could recommend?
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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2009, 09:19:49 AM »
Ever notice that when you are lying on a bench, your shoulders are not? There is no support for the shoulder joint on a flatbench. Some guys try to scrunch them a bit for some kind of random support.

Considering that the upper humerus bone is barely half seated in the glenohumeral cavity, it makes you wonder why people bench at all. the only thing holding that piece of armbone in that hollow out joint cavity are the four tendons of the rotator cuff muscles.


This is why I stay away from exercises that dont offer any support for the shoulder joint.




The shoulder joint is a mobile joint, not a stable joint. It is very easy to compromise the integrity of it's structure.

interesting point, i wish they made a bench that got wider around the back of the shoulder area for more support so i could test it out. i have had 2 shoulder surgeries and have a healthy fear of doing more damage.

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2009, 09:50:29 AM »
Gironda's "V" bar dips are not for everyone.  Some of the grips are to the extreme. If you can have the knuckles of the hands pointed directly ahead (heels of the hand resting on the end of  the "V" bar...some have used simple potholders/cleaning sponges to rest the heels of the palms on), elbows out, the upper to mid pec receive an outstanding stretch.

As with the above end of the bar hand position, even with a regular parallel dipping bar, rather than a "V" bar, this can be a rewarding chest builder. But with any dip, Gironda or whatever, try not going too low. Hitting rock bottom is not needed.

If the Gironda style dip works for you, than all the better. That and the BB bench to the neck have gotten good results with the people who have followed Gironda's suggestions.There is also his version of DB fly's that is not heard of that much. At times, the old 8X8 was used by the majority who trained at his  Ventura Blvd gym.

I do regular dips, at present, with weight. Will semi lockout at the top position and start from a dead stop of 1 to 2 seconds at the bottom. Have it positioned  so I can stand on the floor from that dead stop. Allowing the tension off the muscles during those 1 to 2 seconds. Builds great starting power and can be useful to help increase the BP power. Works extremely well with the Rest-Pause(10 to 15 seconds max) system of training. Can really load up the plates on this one.

One of the better tricep movement is having the arms glued to the sides and have someone control your lower body for a swing, so the dip is pretty much done in a 180 degree angle. The triceps are doing the brunt of the work. Good Luck.
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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2009, 10:21:27 AM »
Thank you.

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2009, 11:03:05 AM »
pre exhaust with cable crossovers and get a good pump in your chest then move to some kind of compound movement like incline bench...and make sure you focus on your pecs and keep good form..

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 09:53:55 AM »
pre exhaust with cable crossovers and get a good pump in your chest then move to some kind of compound movement like incline bench...and make sure you focus on your pecs and keep good form..

thats the route id go with everytime, and wish id done this from my 1st day in the gym.....

i preffer an old fashioned pec dec, get an instant pump with no shoulder pain at all...

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Re: Less deltoid movement when bench pressing
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2009, 01:03:10 PM »
dave tate had a recent bench clinic video posted here in the powerlifting forum and is found on youtube...


you're not going to ever get ZERO delt involvement in any pressing movement. Body just isn't designed for that to be possible but you can minimize it but not to as much of a degree as i think you're looking for.

instead of giving up on bench.. start perfecting your form and technique to better bench more efficiently and SAFELY! The better your setup is the less your arms and elbow especially will drop below the line of your body.. the less the elbow receeds past your person the less stress on teh shoulder joint. Working on this has given me ZERO shoulder issues, etc. which is a first in my career along with giving me my best numbers in recent years and even career highs.

example.. perfecting this gave me

225x30 in a matter of months
275x20 for what didnt' seem much harder...
and 3 sets of 315 for 10 effortlessly which I haven't done up to this point..

along wiht potentially putting me back at my career strongest and taking me past that before the end of the year is out..

hoping for the texas state raw bench record come october