Which Whey?

[Van_Bilderass]

What do you mean? any proof ? if hes a fraud then he needs exposing but if its just a personal beef and his stuff is legit then this needs to be made clear also.

TP sells raw powders. John sells lots of "proprietary blend" products with fraudulent labeling.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I go into Wal-Mart, and Target, and supermarkets only to see $13-$17 bottles of 2lb Whey Protein.I know all of these companies dont do there own blending.So you have them paying the blenderto blend-manufacture the product, then they have to sell it to the store.So it has to pass through 3 hands, before it hits the consumer.It is mathmetically impossible to manufacture a product with 75% Whey Protein like they claim and still make a profit.Unless, everybody is only making a $1 a bottle which I know is not the case.The reason this angers  me, is they are selling product, that will never make label claim and misleading consumers.It would be like going to the gas station and paying for high octane racing fuel and getting only pump gas.
Ask Dante, or anybody.Good quallity Whey protein costs, a good amount of money to make.There isnt a protein fairly that makes this magical cheap Whey Protein.A good quality 2lb Whey Protein should retail for around $29-$34 per bottle.
Fellas, dont buy this shit at Walmart, or Target, because this is not good quality protein.
I have purchased several bottles, from these stores and I am going to have them assayed, and I will post the assays on my website.I am going to Assay, Body Fortress, EAS,Pure Protein,and Six Star protein.
I have seen independent lab assays from Body Fortress protein and it came uo only being 38% protein.
We are talking about consumers paying $14 a bottle for a $3.50 bottle of protein.
The sad reality is, companies like AST, Bio-plex, and True Protein look greedy because they are making 'real " proteiin powders that costs more money to make.How can companies like myself, and the others I mentioned when what they are selling is garbage.A bottle of AST VP2 retails for $49, but sells for $31 on BODYBUILDING.COM.This is more then twice the price of Body Fortress for a 2lb bottle of protein.The diffrence is one is 90% protein the other is 38% if your lucky.
The poor consumers, think they are getting a bargain, but they might aswell just buy powdered Milk .It will be cheaper, and probably have more protein.
When these lab assays hit the web, these companies will scatter like ants, lol.When they claim 23grams of protein and the lab assay comes up at 7-10 grams of protein.WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY??

Whey is relatively cheap and easy to get. Its the waste product from the production of milk so it isn't hard to come by.  That's why you have whey protein products that sale for a rather inexpensive price because the raw materials are easy to obtain.

Honestly, you should worry more about your company and not put Ephedra Vitilis in your fat burners.

[tbombz]

What do you mean? any proof ? if hes a fraud then he needs exposing but if its just a personal beef and his stuff is legit then this needs to be made clear also.

proof of what ? i dont have one of his products on hand to analyze...

his post ?

 he claims its impossible to sell 2 lbs of protein for 15 bucks. then he goes on to praise trueprotein...yet trueprotien has whey on sale for 4.65 per lb.  so in essence his argument against the wal mart companies is also an argument against true protein.


he claims he cares about customers... well he selss several products that are filled with non sense ingredients, at everything he sells is way over priced. he also sells a protien isolate, which flexington steele purchased and then experienced bad stomach cramps and nausia from taking. obviously not a isolate for latose intolerant flexington.


at these companies dont do their own blending, and cant be making only a dollar per item. well, hes quite the idiot, because first of all the company he is talking about is iovate AKA muscletech. they obviously are capable to mix their own protein. second of all, the company behind it is a mulit billion dollar company...and they definitely are able to put out enough of these proteins to make a great deal of moeny, even if they are only making $1 per item.



to sum it up the guy is a moronand then he says he knows the

[GetItOnNY]

Van, I dont sell products with Fraudluent labeling.The last time you challenged me I shut you up with a independent lab assay of our hormone products.Every product I make will make assay.So dont make up lies, and spread false rumors.

TBOMBZ, If you know Dante, you would know that Dante and I are allies in this industry .So I dont thinkm Dante would like you causing problems with one of his allies.
Yes Trueprotein.com does sell good quality Whey Protein for $4.65 per LB.Now if you multipll that by 2.2=$10.12.
Plus you got the bottle scoop seal and label, another $1.25.So now we are at $11.37.
Noiw keep in mind Dante is makiong very little profit margin and he is the blender.Body Fortress, doesnt do there own blending, neither does EAS.SO they buy the product from the blender, mark it up, then Wal-Mart or Targets gets it and marks it up again.So if this bottle of Trueprotein costs $11.37 to make, how can they sell protein 2.2lbs of Whey Protyein for $13.99.How does, the blender, the manufacture and then the store make any money?
Its simple the protein they are selling isnt $4.65 its a cheap 38% Whey that probably costs a $1 per lb to make.
At $4.65, Dante  isnt making much money on his Whey,but I guarantee it is better them any of those product on the shleve at Target or Walmart.

Van do you still look like this?? Do you workout? How thick are those glasses, they look like the bottoms of those old Coke Bottles.I bet if I wore those glasses I could see the moon up close, lol.So are some really nice old sachool buddy Holly Glasses.The Cowboy hat is a nice touch, are you balding? of just trying to be sexy like Carl Hardwick,lol

[emn1964]

Wow...a supplement company lying about its products?  It can't be!  Please tell me that's not ture.

[Van_Bilderass]

Van, I dont sell products with Fraudluent labeling.The last time you challenged me I shut you up with a independent lab assay of our hormone products.Every product I make will make assay.So dont make up lies, and spread false rumors.

You sell products with filler ingredients. Such as "calming herb blend 20mg". The calming herbs in the blend are used in the hundreds of milligrams range. It's only there to make the label look good.

You sell products with fraudulent nomenclature. Once you wrote the chemical name of DHEA on a label yet claimed it was something else entirely. You have ingredients with names such as "8XOX", "Primo VDA". The consumer has no way of knowing what he's ingesting. You have ingredients like "Yohimbe HCl 100mg" - this cannot exist.




And, my bike also has rusty fenders.

[emn1964]

Isn't "getitonny" Michael "Godboy" Lockett's "benefactor"?  The same guy that was trying to get us to beleive that Locket's physique was built with twizzlers and m&ms?  If so, he has no credibility and this thread should be closed as defamatory to an honest company.

[Topskin69]

Van B is right... you will most likely get a law suit from Iovate if you pull that stunt like that. They allready have done this before.

Just because a law-suit has no merit...doesnt mean they cant waste your time and $$ dragging your ass to court... They have more $$ then you do...so its probably not the most pragmatic course of action.

That said...I will totally cheer for you exposing corrupt supplement compaines...if you also provide an independent assay of your own products as well.

M!

[emn1964]

Van B is right... you will most likely get a law suit from Iovate if you pull that stunt like that. They allready have done this before.

Just because a law-suit has no merit...doesnt mean they cant waste your time and $$ dragging your ass to court... They have more $$ then you do...so its probably not the most pragmatic course of action.

That said...I will totally cheer for you exposing corrupt supplement compaines...if you also provide an independent assay of your own products as well.

M!

Him providing an assay of his products is like Kevin Levrone providing an independent drug test.

[GetItOnNY]

Van B Yes we did yoiu the name 8 ox, we had to because there are heavy patents on the name 6ox.Patrtick Arnold says you can buy the raw materials, but you cannot use the name 6 ox.The ingredient is (3, 6, 17-Androstenetrione).
So on our bottles we put 8 ox then (3, 6, 17-Androstenetrione).The ingredient is one of ther best estrogen blockers on ther market so why wouldnt I use it.I just couldnt use the name, which sucks.

As far as our Calming Herb Complex goes,thats simple.Its 5 mg og Kava kava ,5mg of Valerian,and 10 mg of Passion Flower.This works wonders for a thermogenic, it stops the jitters and avoids the crash people get from using Ephdra.
If you dont think our fat burner work well why dont you ask Croatch.
Van B if you dont beleive me IM me adress and I will send you a free bottle of ECA.This way you can try our products, and see for yourself they are legit.I will give you a 120 capsule bottle with 25 mg of Ephedra per capsule.I will even thorw in a free t-shirt, lol.What do you got to lose your getting a $49.95 bottle for free.
Van B you never trtied my products your just going by hear say.Plus there were so,me spelling errors on some early bottles.Thanks to Troy the lil Troll Moore who used to design my labels, but mispelled all the words.
Then he said, its not my job to spell check them,lol.Troy Moore even designed my sister in laws website, and mispelled words on every page.Then said its not my job to spell check, lol.Thats like the guy who put iures on your car, its not my job to tighten the lug nuts.

emn, Michael Lockett was never our athlete, and we never endorsede him.I helped him out in 2 times of need, and thats it.Please dont put Michael Lockett and I in the same sentence

[tbombz]

TBOMBZ, If you know Dante, you would know that Dante and I are allies in this industry .So I dont thinkm Dante would like you causing problems with one of his allies.
Yes Trueprotein.com does sell good quality Whey Protein for $4.65 per LB.Now if you multipll that by 2.2=$10.12.
Plus you got the bottle scoop seal and label, another $1.25.So now we are at $11.37.
Noiw keep in mind Dante is makiong very little profit margin and he is the blender.Body Fortress, doesnt do there own blending, neither does EAS.SO they buy the product from the blender, mark it up, then Wal-Mart or Targets gets it and marks it up again.So if this bottle of Trueprotein costs $11.37 to make, how can they sell protein 2.2lbs of Whey Protyein for $13.99.How does, the blender, the manufacture and then the store make any money?
Its simple the protein they are selling isnt $4.65 its a cheap 38% Whey that probably costs a $1 per lb to make.

your making up all this stuff up off the top of your head. like sayign they dont blend their own protein. this is a multi billion dollar company that does business with retail giants like wal mart and target. trueprotein does its own blending and its revenues are guaranteed to be less than 1/50th of this companies total. but they cant bledn their own stuff? without any proof or knowledge of this, its areally a stupid assertion to make. and with that kind of capital, why would they get the same deals as dante ? more quantity, lower cost per item. they have the ability to buy more at once and thus have the ability to sell the same product at a lower price and make the same amount.  the 30% protein figure is random and you made it up....just like your making up ingredients on your supp labels.

[mwbbuilder]

Geitonny

You should start using the FireFox browser.

It has spell check.

Damn. You own a company?

[Alpine]

Six Star is Muscle Tech's low end line.Iovate, has like 6 diffrent companies, and Dr Heur, formulates all there stuff.
Muscle Tech Supplements are expensive, so they developed Six Star to attract the high school kid, or person who is on a tight budget.I guaratee, Six Star Whey is the same thing as Nitro Tech, just a diffrent label and cheaper price.
Iovate,or PauL Gardner is a marketing genious

Here is the best part... not only are they from the same source, 6 Star's ingredient profile is superior IMO. In general, it has higher protein and is a better quality (generally more whey and whey isolate) than Nitro-tech (which has more milk protein concentrate, more carbs, and less protein). Compare the labels for yourself, its hilarious.
 

I'd rather Buy 6 Star's protein over Nitro-tech even if they were the SAME price.

As I said earlier, All The Whey Isolate is a fantastic deal on 100% pure isolate.

[GetItOnNY]

TBOMBZ, I am not going to argue with you.I dont care how much weigh a company buy, the price only gets so slow.I know this because I but trucks loads of protein at a time.We are talking 60,000 lbs of protein per month.
The problem with companies like Body Fortress,and EAS, is they are ruining the market, and misleading people.
Plus when a consumer buys a product and it says, 23g of protein and 4 grams of carbs, they want what they are paying for.I have seen lab assays, on Body Fortress and it came back alot lower then label claim.
Like I said before I am going to Wal Mart, and Target, and I am going to buy Body Fortess, EAS, Pure Protein, and a few others.Then I will post the independent lab assays, on this website.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Left

[uberman09]

how much protein does OptimumNutrition whey contains?

[GetItOnNY]

Optimum is pretty good.I think that there Whey is just okay, but there Pro Complex, is alot better.
Optimum Nutrition is alot better then Body Forttress, or EAS.
The best protein are, AST VP2,Bio -Plex 100% Isolate,Natures Best Iso-Pure,Species Isolalyze, Beveryly intetnational,
trueprotein.com, sand our Lean Mass, and Nitro 92.They are all good quality protein powders, and all will make label claim.A good deal is only a good deal if the protect makes label claim.
If you could buy a Rolex for $500 would that be a good deal? Of course it would but if it was fake then $ 500 would be way to much.The same principal applies with Protein.

[el duke]

What about ALL The WHEY Isolate?

[Tapeworm]

And Whey Down Upon the Swanie River.

[BFP]

Whey is relatively cheap and easy to get. Its the waste product from the production of milk so it isn't hard to come by.  That's why you have whey protein products that sale for a rather inexpensive price because the raw materials are easy to obtain.

Honestly, you should worry more about your company and not put Ephedra Vitilis in your fat burners.

My god youre retarded

[Tapeworm]

Whey-o.  Is-a-wheeeey-o.  Daylight come and me want go ho-om.  Wheeeey-o!

[WillGrant]

TBOMBZ, I am not going to argue with you.I dont care how much weigh a company buy, the price only gets so slow.I know this because I but trucks loads of protein at a time.We are talking 60,000 lbs of protein per month.
The problem with companies like Body Fortress,and EAS, is they are ruining the market, and misleading people.
Plus when a consumer buys a product and it says, 23g of protein and 4 grams of carbs, they want what they are paying for.I have seen lab assays, on Body Fortress and it came back alot lower then label claim.
Like I said before I am going to Wal Mart, and Target, and I am going to buy Body Fortess, EAS, Pure Protein, and a few others.Then I will post the independent lab assays, on this website.

How bad is EAS 100% Whey protein ?

[rocket]

You know Van Bilderass, a company cant sue you or do anything if you post an indepoendent lab assay.How can they force you to take it down? As long as its indepedent, and you can prove it there hands are tied.
This happened about 12 years about with the true protein bar.Bill Phillips had it assayed and it came up 30 grams of carbs, and they only claimed 6 grams.The reason for this is up until I think it was 1999 protein companies didnt have to count glycerin as a carbohydrate.Why do you think back in 1998 all protein bars only had 6 grams of carbs, and now they have 30??? Glycerin counts as a carbohydrate.
Bill Phillips posted his results and there was nothing True Protein could do.
They could threaten me but in the end, if they have a smart lawyer, they wouldnt pursue anything.
An independent lab assay is not slander, if you just post the assay, and leave the consumer to make there own decision.
Now if I posted a lab assay, and said this product sucks, and is junk,I would have my ass handed to me on a plater.
But if something is a legal document,  is independent, and is factual, there is nothing they can do....Nothing

Not to shit all over what you're saying or anything, but Bill Phillips at the time was you know, extremely rich.  So, using an example of a man who could probably buy the company that is attempting to sue them isn't exactly comprehensive in proving whether the common man can get away with posting a report by a random (possibly not accredited) source of malconutrient testing.

Again, not saying you're not right, but I do know that someone here many moons ago was doing something like this and I do believe he did find himself in a bit of trouble.  He might have gotten away with it, I dont' recall.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

Why don't you guys just save your money and buy 1-2% milk and use that as your "supplement"?

[Alex23]

Why don't you guys just save your money and buy 1-2% milk and use that as your "supplement"?

Lactose.... then again how much of it.

Personally, I won't refuse feeding from my own tap.