Super charger worth the cost ?

[Mr.1derful]

your best bet for power adding is turbo, much more efficient power that superchargers....and the turbo
set ups of today, no need to worry about lag...

two identical cars running 10psi, one supercharged and the other turbo...the turbo will fucking dominate
the sc every time with ease...not even comparable

turbo is more complicated under the hood though...but no belts breaking

if you do buy a sc, go with pro charger with an aftercooler....vortec and paxton are shit...go look at
vids of cars with $5k paxton or vortec setups and they are crap, don't add shit for power

either or, with stock compression you will only run a small amount of boost on pump gas...lower the
compression and the skys the limit

I guess that's why I've only got 575 horsepower at the flywheel with a Vortech.   

[americanbulldog]

^^In either case, he is modding a 96-98 SN95 that prolly has over 100K and is worth 3K.  Prolly not the best use of his money.  But if he wants the car to last, he is looking at a rebuild.  Then he can add a power adder.  I'd also add a new clutch, billet flywheel, FRPP aluminum driveshaft, change out the gearing and make the switch to 31 spline axles. 

[No Patience]

I guess that's why I've only got 575 horsepower at the flywheel with a Vortech.   

what cu...how much boost?

i would guarantee a procharger would get more

and a turbo at the same boost would probably produce that at the wheels

vortec is garbage

[Luv2Hurt]

TB will blow the fucker up in no time, then it's back to the 10 speed.  The car is over 10 years old but it does hold sentimental value as he stated.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what cu...how much boost?

i would guarantee a procharger would get more

and a turbo at the same boost would probably produce that at the wheels

vortec is garbage

Vortec is good Powerdyne is garbage this I know for a fact 

[Mr.1derful]

what cu...how much boost?

i would guarantee a procharger would get more

and a turbo at the same boost would probably produce that at the wheels

vortec is garbage

Interesting then, how guys running Prochargers on the same car aren't making any more power than I am.  And mine doesn't sound like it has a bad bearing at idle, like the prochargers do.  Prochargers do make good power, but your assertions are way off base.   Mine made the aforementioned power at 6250 RPM and was still climbing.  And this is on the stock 3.60" pulley that came with the kit.  We cut it off where we did to maintain durability.  And no, a turbo kit would not make that power, at the wheels.  I'm quite familiar with all of the forced induction options for my particular car, and my kit will push as much as the stock block will handle, and then some.   But hey, what do I know?   

[tbombz]

He's gonna open up those Lambo doors at a gas station, on the Oakland strip, on a busy Friday night and then its..........

BANG!!....A bodybuilder with 270 solid ass pounds coming out of the car, with everyone looking at him.

Being able to pull this off is worth forgoing any future plans of getting out of his parents spare bedroom or furthuring himself in general.

absofuckinglylutely!!!!!!!   my point exactly.      

[APE907]

Both Superchargers and Turbos have their place and both are capable of making big #s on a dyno. It really comes down to specific application.

Turbos do generate more heat though and seem to typically work better on higher revving motors.

Superchargers have different characteristics and seem to be favored by domestic V8 crowd although there are exceptions to the rule (see Hennessy's Turbo Vipers for example).

[No Patience]

Interesting then, how guys running Prochargers on the same car aren't making any more power than I am.  And mine doesn't sound like it has a bad bearing at idle, like the prochargers do.  Prochargers do make good power, but your assertions are way off base.   Mine made the aforementioned power at 6250 RPM and was still climbing.  And this is on the stock 3.60" pulley that came with the kit.  We cut it off where we did to maintain durability.  And no, a turbo kit would not make that power, at the wheels.  I'm quite familiar with all of the forced induction options for my particular car, and my kit will push as much as the stock block will handle, and then some.   But hey, what do I know?   

i disagree...procharger will hand you your ass....a turbo would be so fucking far in front of you it would be embarrassing

6250 and climbing....that is another sad thing about super chargers...a turbo would reach full boost at 2200-4000 and never stop pulling

again, what cubic inch are you running and how much boost...why do you know the power at the crank and not the wheels...you must have put the whole thing together outside the car to know that

[No Patience]

Both Superchargers and Turbos have their place and both are capable of making big #s on a dyno. It really comes down to specific application.

Turbos do generate more heat though and seem to typically work better on higher revving motors.

Superchargers have different characteristics and seem to be favored by domestic V8 crowd although there are exceptions to the rule (see Hennessy's Turbo Vipers for example).

you are confused...turbos work in high or low rpm...hence turbo diesel, very low rpm...sc's are only favored by v8 crowds because they are slowing coming around to what really makes power...sc's are old news...why lose 20-35% of your motors output just to turn a supercharger? one step back for two steps forward...turbo is just plain 3 steps forward being 97%+ efficient

[Mr.1derful]

i disagree...procharger will hand you your ass....a turbo would be so fucking far in front of you it would be embarrassing

6250 and climbing....that is another sad thing about super chargers...a turbo would reach full boost at 2200-4000 and never stop pulling

again, what cubic inch are you running and how much boost...why do you know the power at the crank and not the wheels...you must have put the whole thing together outside the car to know that

444 RWHP is what it made on the dyno on only 7.8 pounds of boost.  Am I going to have to scan and post the dyno sheet?   Being that a Vortech and Procharger are similar in design and application, and put down similar numbers on a car like mine, please use your infinite wisdom to explain to us all how the Procharger is so much faster, as you claim.  Especially, since the consensus is that the safe cut off on the stock Marauder block is 450 RWHP.  I'm waiting.    By the way, what do you drive,  a riced out Honda with a big spoiler? lol

[ManBearPig...]

[APE907]

you are confused...turbos work in high or low rpm...hence turbo diesel, very low rpm...sc's are only favored by v8 crowds because they are slowing coming around to what really makes power...sc's are old news...why lose 20-35% of your motors output just to turn a supercharger? one step back for two steps forward...turbo is just plain 3 steps forward being 97%+ efficient

Disagree - a turbo diesel is a far cry from a hi-perf turbo gasoline application.  Diesels make big torque and not necessarily big horsepower - again there are exceptions to every rule but aside from Gale Banks and maybe a couple of other fringe outfits there is not a big selection of high HP turbo diesels.

The only turbos that I have seen that deliver on the low end AND the high end are twin-turbo systems like that found in the 911 Turbo - a small turbo spools up at low rpm and provides instant boost at lower engine speeds and then as RPM increases the larger turbo takes over and force feeds even more air into the motor.

I'm not bashing turbos at all - they are capable of making big HP but a single turbo WILL lack on low end typically compared to a comparable supercharger.  Both applications have their place but neither is perfect....it all depends on what kind of motor you are looking to build.  To say that superchargers are "old news" is a bit premature.

[No Patience]

444 RWHP is what it made on the dyno on only 7.8 pounds of boost.  Am I going to have to scan and post the dyno sheet?   Being that a Vortech and Procharger are similar in design and application, and put down similar numbers on a car like mine, please use your infinite wisdom to explain to us all how the Procharger is so much faster, as you claim.  Especially, since the consensus is that the safe cut off on the stock Marauder block is 450 RWHP.  I'm waiting.    By the way, what do you drive,  a riced out Honda with a big spoiler? lol

that is good numbers for 7.8...and a Marauder is a sweet sleeper....not trying to knock you, just my experience that procharger has always been on top for sc's

no honda here...i have a 08 WRX...bone stock...before that was a 04 WRX...i drive these so i can still get my fix yet good for my family
before that i had an 89 fox body with a worked 306 that was awesome but never put any boost on it..didn't have the money back then...

[Mr.1derful]

that is good numbers for 7.8...and a Marauder is a sweet sleeper....not trying to knock you, just my experience that procharger has always been on top for sc's

no honda here...i have a 08 WRX...bone stock...before that was a 04 WRX...i drive these so i can still get my fix yet good for my family
before that i had an 89 fox body with a worked 306 that was awesome but never put any boost on it..didn't have the money back then...

I was initially sort of thinking Mitsubishi Evo, so I wasn't too far off if you have a WRX.  Since you had a Fox body, I'll cut you some slack. lol  I'm not adverse to turbos, in fact I'm eager to drive some of Ford's new "Ecoboost" twin turbo offerings, truth be told. 

Actually, if I had to do it all over again, I would have gotten a Trilogy roots blower for my car instead, or the twin screw kit they sold for a while. 

[No Patience]

I was initially sort of thinking Mitsubishi Evo, so I wasn't too far off if you have a WRX.  Since you had a Fox body, I'll cut you some slack. lol  I'm not adverse to turbos, in fact I'm eager to drive some of Ford's new "Ecoboost" twin turbo offerings, truth be told. 

i would trade my WRX for my fox any fucking day....just cannot do it with living in midwest with snow and having a kid to haul...

this is turbo even though it says sc'd...it is a yellow 95 mustang

you will like this one
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A-bad-ass-Marauder-burn-I_2304.htm

[Mr.1derful]

i would trade my WRX for my fox any fucking day....just cannot do it with living in midwest with snow and having a kid to haul...

this is turbo even though it says sc'd...it is a yellow 95 mustang

you will like this one
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A-bad-ass-Marauder-burn-I_2304.htm

Yeah, that's a Trilogy Marauder.  That's an awesome kit.  Gobs of bottom end torque.  That Stang climbs pretty hard.  I'd be curious as to what built engine he's running.

[ManBearPig...]

i would trade my WRX for my fox any fucking day....just cannot do it with living in midwest with snow and having a kid to haul...

this is turbo even though it says sc'd...it is a yellow 95 mustang

you will like this one
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A-bad-ass-Marauder-burn-I_2304.htm

i just came all over myself watching that.

[benchmstr]

i would trade my WRX for my fox any fucking day....just cannot do it with living in midwest with snow and having a kid to haul...

this is turbo even though it says sc'd...it is a yellow 95 mustang

you will like this one
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A-bad-ass-Marauder-burn-I_2304.htm

not impressed

bench

[Brixtonbulldog]

Can we move this to the Sex board?   You guys are gettin me excited.

Just for shits this what my Mach looks and sounds like almost exactly.  I have a few more mods tho.

[G o a t b o y]

I can't believe the time and effort people put into modding vehicles.  It's transportation...  gets you from point A to point B.  Sure, get something nice, but to spend countless hours and dollars fuccking with a cheap-ass stock vehicle seems pointless.

[benchmstr]

its a lost cause, i have built 1000+hp daily driver and have driven countless fast cars. i have completely given up on them now.

at the end of the day you just cant beat the pure thrill and satisfaction you get from a liter bike.

you spend a shit ton of money building a 9 second car, only to get outran by a stock liter bike.

you cant drive a 9 second car in the rain/you cant ride a bike in the rain.

you have to get a second vehicle.............bike or car, so save your money and buy a bike.........bitches like bikes better anyways.

bench

[Mr.1derful]

I can't believe the time and effort people put into modding vehicles.  It's transportation...  gets you from point A to point B.  Sure, get something nice, but to spend countless hours and dollars fuccking with a cheap-ass stock vehicle seems pointless.

For many people it's a hobby.  No different really, than those that buy motorcycles, quads, or other vehicles for their hobbies.  

[uberman09]

can you guys explain to me "love for cars" cause i still dont understand it and im 27. (and driving a hyundai accent).

[Mr.1derful]

can you guys explain to me "love for cars" cause i still dont understand it and im 27. (and driving a hyundai accent).

I think you just answered why that is.  j/k