Anger Has Its Place

[24KT]

actually it is, did you know that if ppl freely enter your house the cops can deem that open entry and enter into your house? there are tons of things you probably dont know about the law jag.

Crowley had no probable cause to enter Gates' home.

I think Judge Andrew Napolitano knows more about the law than you

[OzmO]

No need to put anything up for a vote, ...guidelines have already been established in the Consitution & Bill of Rights.

Without identification from possible suspects and the owner of the premises NOT Identified they have an obligation to enter the premises.

Putting it for a vote shows just how ridiculous the idea that they shouldn't have entered the house with possible uncooperative suspects on the premises.

I understand his reaction and I think it was petty. For some testosterone induced brain farts may take on all the importance in the world, but for me, ...it's simply petty.

It's not important at all, nor petty, just a reaction.  Petty would have been shackles followed by a full body strip down search.

[24KT]

Without identification from possible suspects and the owner of the premises NOT Identified they have an obligation to enter the premises.

Putting it for a vote shows just how ridiculous the idea that they shouldn't have entered the house with possible uncooperative suspects on the premises.


It's not important at all, nor petty, just a reaction.  Petty would have been shackles followed by a full body strip down search.

Handcuffs are a form of shackles, ...and it wouldn't have surprised me if a full body strip search was in the works,
...until cooler, and wiser heads prevailed. The man was detained for 4 hours. 4 HOURS! That's NOT right.

[24KT]

Without identification from possible suspects and the owner of the premises NOT Identified they have an obligation to enter the premises.

He did have a positive id on Gates... and they had no OBLIGATION to enter the premises without probable cause.

[Parker]

actually it is, did you know that if ppl freely enter your house the cops can deem that open entry and enter into your house? there are tons of things you probably dont know about the law jag.

But, lets say 5 people are outside, the door is open, if three of the 5 are allowed to come in, but the other two are not, but do so on there own, that can be called burglary...they broke the threshold...

[OzmO]

He did have a positive id on Gates... and they had no OBLIGATION to enter the premises without probable cause.

So they entered after Gate's ID was establish?

[tonymctones]

jag perhaps its different where they were but in Tx if you leave your door open while a police officer is at your door then they technically can enter your house.

[tonymctones]

But, lets say 5 people are outside, the door is open, if three of the 5 are allowed to come in, but the other two are not, but do so on there own, that can be called burglary...they broke the threshold...

I would think they would actually have to remove something from the property to be burglary otherwise it might just be trespassing if you didnt want them in your house or on your property and had asked them to leave.

LOL i got all this from my business law professor in college always told us little stuff that nobody actually knew about the law and what to do and not to do if we ever got in trouble, was a cool dude.

[24KT]

jag perhaps its different where they were but in Tx if you leave your door open while a police officer is at your door then they technically can enter your house.

In TX, you could be a good fer nothing, spoiled brat, with no business acumen to speak of, and become governor.

In TX, you can be accused of car theft while exiting your own vehicle in your own driveway,
...then shot in the chest while flat on your back in your own driveway.

In TX, you can have your money confiscated by a cop, and get thrown in jail and your children taken away from you if you protest.

Nothing good comes out of TX, ...you oughtta know that by now.    (except maybe Matthew McConahey)

[tonymctones]

In TX, you could be a good fer nothing, spoiled brat, with no business acumen to speak of, and become governor.

In TX, you can be accused of car theft while exiting your own vehicle in your own driveway,
...then shot in the chest while flat on your back in your own driveway.

In TX, you can have your money confiscated by a cop, and get thrown in jail and your children taken away from you if you protest.

Nothing good comes out of TX, ...you oughtta know that by now.    (except maybe Matthew McConahey)

ahhhh now that was uncalled for, i understand you are a bush basher even a conservative basher but that was below the belt 

p.s. I cant stand matthew mcconaheys crazy ass, chicks in austin seem to go crazy for that guy though.

[dkf360]

So they entered after Gate's ID was establish?

That's not the case, because people were arguing that Gates showed his ID to the cop INSIDE of his house.

[OzmO]

That's not the case, because people were arguing that Gates showed his ID to the cop INSIDE of his house.

Anything you'd like to add to this Jag?

[24KT]

Anything you'd like to add to this Jag?

Simply that he did not have probable cause to enter the home warrantless & uninvited.
And upon establishing Gates as the lawful occupant, ...Crowley should have left, not arrested him!

[OzmO]

Simply that he did not have probable cause to enter the home warrantless & uninvited.
And upon establishing Gates as the lawful occupant, ...Crowley should have left, not arrested him!

How much more cause do you want?  You are on a burglary call and there are 2 men who refuse to identify themselves in the house.  No brainer.  No vote needed.  And we both know what you'd want the cops to do if it was a real burglarywith 2 men in your house who refused to identify themselves and a neighbor, nice enough to look out for you, called cops because it look like it might be a robbery.

You are being unrealistic.

[24KT]

How much more cause do you want? 

what the law demands.

You are on a burglary call and there are 2 men who refuse to identify themselves in the house.  No brainer.

But he wasn't on a burglary call. He was on a "possible" break-in, and he did NOT consult the 911 caller.
There weren't two men who refused to identify themselves. There was one man, and he did id himself.

No vote needed.  And we both know what you'd want the cops to do if it was a real burglarywith 2 men in your house who refused to identify themselves and a neighbor, nice enough to look out for you, called cops because it look like it might be a robbery.

You are being unrealistic.

But it wasn't a real burglary was it? This is not about what I would want police to do, this is about what the law states police can and cannot do, ...and an innocent man who objected to police overstepping their bounds, ...and getting arrested as a result. Crowley made mistakes which he compunded with an even stupider arrest.

[dkf360]

what the law demands.

But he wasn't on a burglary call. He was on a "possible" break-in, and he did NOT consult the 911 caller.
There weren't two men who refused to identify themselves. There was one man, and he did id himself.

But it wasn't a real burglary was it? This is not about what I would want police to do, this is about what the law states police can and cannot do, ...and an innocent man who objected to police overstepping their bounds, ...and getting arrested as a result. Crowley made mistakes which he compunded with an even stupider arrest.

Please define how you expect the cop to consult with the 911 caller.

[24KT]

Please define how you expect the cop to consult with the 911 caller.

For one, he could have asked her what she saw? Instead of simply telling her to "Stay Right There!"

Seems that's another element of his police report that isn't consistent with the facts. 

[grab an umbrella]

For one, he could have asked her what she saw? Instead of simply telling her to "Stay Right There!"

Seems that's another element of his police report that isn't consistent with the facts. 

Jag, seriously, your argument is just getting stupid and sophomoric at this point, let it go.  The officer HAD probable cause and Gates wasn't ID'd until Crowley entered the home.

[dkf360]

For one, he could have asked her what she saw? Instead of simply telling her to "Stay Right There!"

Seems that's another element of his police report that isn't consistent with the facts. 

And that is more important than actually catching the burglar?

[24KT]

And that is more important than actually catching the burglar?

{lol} There was no burglar.

[dkf360]

{lol} There was no burglar.

If only the cops had your foresight ability.   

[24KT]

Jag, seriously, your argument is just getting stupid and sophomoric at this point, let it go.  The officer HAD probable cause and Gates wasn't ID'd until Crowley entered the home.

Not according to the law, ...and if he ID'ed Crowley after violating his 4th Amendment rights, compounding that violation with an arrest for disorderly conduct that violates his first Amendment rights within his own home is just plain stupid.

Or do you know more about the law that Judge Andrew Napolitano?

[24KT]

If only the cops had your foresight ability.   

They don't need my foresight, ...just my common sense, ...and the laws of the land.

[dkf360]

Not according to the law, ...and if he ID'ed Crowley after violating his 4th Amendment rights, compounding that violation with an arrest for disorderly conduct that violates his first Amendment rights within his own home is just plain stupid.

Or do you know more about the law that Judge Andrew Napolitano?

Any chance you can summarize the judge's statement without me having to watch the video?

[dkf360]

They don't need my foresight, ...just my common sense, ...and the laws of the land.

And if you were the cop and someone called about a burglary in progress (whom actually goes through a dispatcher and not directly to the cop), what would you do?  You sure like to criticize the actions of the cop , so it would be interesting to know your approach to this situation.