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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #125 on: August 13, 2009, 06:13:53 AM »
who's pocket is being picked and who is getting something for free?

The small business who has to pay an added 8% payroll tax to fund govt health care is having its pockets picked.

The people who will have to pay 2% of the their AGI as a tax if they dont have health insurance are having their pockets picked. 

And yes, there are provisions in the bill for people who dont meet certain income levels to get it for free. 

BTW - which quotes from Ezeikiel Emanuel that I listed has he disclaimed or said are not his?   

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #126 on: August 13, 2009, 06:25:03 AM »
The small business who has to pay an added 8% payroll tax to fund govt health care is having its pockets picked.

The people who will have to pay 2% of the their AGI as a tax if they dont have health insurance are having their pockets picked. 

And yes, there are provisions in the bill for people who dont meet certain income levels to get it for free. 

BTW - which quotes from Ezeikiel Emanuel that I listed has he disclaimed or said are not his?   
You speak as if the elimination of 6.2% payroll tax will have some sort of qualitative change on your life.

It won't.

Everybody will get the same bump and inflation will catch up with your 'windfall'. 

You'll be in the same position you were prior to the tax only without the benefit of the social program.


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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #127 on: September 30, 2010, 07:10:05 AM »
how about posting a link to the entire thread so I can at least remember the conversation rather than just taking it out of context




Postal Service close to going broke

By Ed O'Keefe
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 29, 2010; 10:16 PM
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Americans can still send and receive mail, but the U.S. Postal Service may not have much left in the bank after this week, as it's set to announce billions of dollars in losses as early as Thursday.

It's also waiting for postal regulators to announce Thursday whether they approve of a proposed 5.6 percent postage-rate increase, to start in January. The proposed increase faces stiff resistance from business groups and lawmakers, who say that the USPS should instead make deeper spending cuts to meet its financial obligations.

GOP opposition kept Congress from permitting the Postal Service to postpone paying $5.5 billion required by law to pre-fund retiree health benefits. A temporary spending measure to fund most federal programs through early December didn't mention the Postal Service; it passed the Senate on Wednesday and is expected to clear the House on Thursday.

"The Postal Service does not want to make the tough decisions, which include cuts in personnel, pay and benefits. Instead, they are relying on a generous taxpayer bailout that will not solve any of their mid- or long-term problems," said Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who opposes the rate increase and congressional relief.

"Taxpayers should not be made to bail out a business-as-usual Postal Service," Issa said.

"While it appears that the continuing resolution will not include USPS funding, service will not be compromised while the administration works with Congress and USPS to ensure that they have the tools and authorities necessary to remain viable well into the future," the Office of Management and Budget said in a statement. The administration and Postal Service have met this week to determine what portion, if not all, of the payment can be made by the close of the fiscal year Thursday, the OMB said.

The Postal Service has cut $10 billion in spending since 2008 and continues to trim its workforce through attrition.

Postmaster General John E. Potter canceled a Wednesday meeting with reporters that was meant to address the financial concerns.

"Ideally, what you'd like to do in the Postal Service is have access to about $5 [billion] to $6 billion in cash, whether that's borrowing ability or cash on the books," Potter said in an April interview that predicted this week's turn of events. "That's basically two payrolls. That's not a lot of breathing room. Without relief in the form of lowering our payments into the retirement trust fund this year, we are perilously close to running out of cash in October."

Strong mail volume this month might add enough revenue to justify making the $5.5 billion payment to the government, but it would still leave little in postal coffers, said sources familiar with the process but not authorized to speak on the record.

Senate Democrats hope to introduce a bill during the lame-duck session that would give the Postal Service more flexibility to determine its delivery schedule and decide whether it needs to close thousands of branches. The bill, introduced by Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.), also addresses how USPS could make the $5.5 billion annual payments in the future.

"I think this entire situation puts more pressure on the Postal Service and pressure on the legislators to address the issue comprehensively," said Tony Conway, executive director of the Alliance of Nonprofit Mailers, which represents some of the mail agency's biggest and most loyal customers.


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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #128 on: September 30, 2010, 10:12:43 AM »
Rate board denies Postal Service price hike plea
         
NATASHA T. METZLER | September 30, 2010 01:09 PM EST | 

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WASHINGTON — The independent panel that oversees the U.S. Postal Service voted Thursday to deny the agency's request to increase the cost of mailing a letter by 2 cents – and keeping the price of a first-class stamp at 44 cents.

Ruth Goldway, chairman of the Postal Regulatory Commission, suggested at a news conference that the problem with the proposal was more in the packaging than the plea.

In July, the Postal Service proposed raising first-class postage from 44 cents to 46 cents as part of a strategy for dealing with a worsening financial crisis. The request required the commission's approval, because the margin of increase was higher than the existing rate of inflation. But the five-member panel unanimously said no.

In light of the decision, the Postal Service has a number of options, including a legal appeal, filing a new special rate-increase request to the commission, or requesting a smaller rate hike that would be automatically approved for rising within the rate of inflation.

Postal Service officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the denial.

The Postal Service lost $3.8 billion last year, and agency officials were seeking other rate increases as well the basic stamp hike, including higher fees for periodicals, post cards and parcels.

Goldway said the requested rate adjustment was not due to recent recession, as indicated by Postal Service officials, but rather was an attempt to address long-term structural problems.

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"The case they needed to make, as far as we understand the law, is to relate the revenue they're requesting to the losses that were the impact of the recession," Goldway said after the meeting. "Instead, they explained how terrible the recession was, and then they said we have this liquidity crisis."

Goldway targeted the Postal Service's $5.5-billion-a-year payment schedule on future retiree health benefits as the agency's major financial problem.

"The future of the Postal Service is brighter than it might appear, if we can solve these structural, big financial problems," she added.

The decision was applauded by the Affordable Mail Alliance, a coalition of postal customers including consumer groups, small business, charities, utilities, national retailers and banks.

"The PRC today has helped countless businesses stay competitive and saved tens of thousands of jobs," said Tony Conway, a spokesman for the alliance. "The commissioners recognized that imposing an additional tax on Postal Service customers is not the way to address its financial troubles. Our members look forward to working with the Postal Service on the long-term restructuring needed to restore the Postal Service to competitiveness."

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #129 on: November 12, 2010, 11:01:24 AM »

The Postal Service Just Had Its Worst 12 Months Ever
Gus Lubin | Nov. 12, 2010, 1:57 PM | 16 | 




The U.S. Postal Service just announced a $8.5 billion loss for the 2010 fiscal year.

This was worse than its $3.8 billion loss in the previous year and a $2.8 billion loss in 2008. It was also worse than the $2.8 billion shortfall estimated last spring.

Note the trend: USPS is becoming as much of a perennial loser for tax payers as Fannie Mae.

USPS lost money despite cutting over 100,000 jobs and other reductions in recent years. Expect more reductions next year, including another 2 cents on the first class stamp and an end to deliveries on Saturday.

It's pretty obvious why the USPS is losing money. Mail volume dropped to 170.6 billion pieces from 176.7 billion last year. People have discovered a better way to communicate.

Click here to see the 25 biggest quarterly losses in history >


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/postal-service-lost-85-billion-2010-11#ixzz1561eczOt


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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #130 on: November 12, 2010, 11:11:25 AM »
there doing just fine...straw man told me so...

its not hypocrisey if youre ok with them making fun of you for doing the same thing...straw man told me so...


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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #131 on: June 22, 2011, 09:58:57 AM »

You are an idiot  :o






Post office in big trouble

Facing a $7 billion loss this year, the Postal Service may close hundreds of branches. » 'Unable to pay its bills'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_go_ot/us_postal_closings

U.S. Postal Service May Close 1,000 Post Offices; Curtail Home Delivery - Video 8/3/09

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Post Office Suspends Retirement Contributions
LEX18 TC ^ | June 22, 2011 | Associated Press via LEX18


 

WASHINGTON (AP) - The financially troubled Postal Service is suspending its employer contribution to the federal employee retirement system.

The agency said Wednesday it was acting to conserve cash as it continues to lose money. It was $8 billion in the red last year because of the combined effects of the recession and the switch of much mail to the Internet. It faces the possibility of running short of money by the end of this fiscal year in September.

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #133 on: June 22, 2011, 11:24:40 AM »
LOL...That fool will never hear the end of this.

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #134 on: June 22, 2011, 11:53:57 AM »
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/post-office-suspends-retirement-contributions-1554997.html


FAIL

from your own story

The post office, unlike other federal agencies, is also required to make an annual payment of more than $5 billion as an advance contribution to future retiree medical costs.


they are also not allowed to make a profit

I've said  many times to let them raise the cost of postage (we have the lowest of all countries) and let them make a profit

you'd think the right wing/free market types would have no problem with either of those suggestions

333 - you've previously posted how much you like the USPS kiosks and other servives so surely you'd be wiling to pay more for postage

right?

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2011, 08:36:52 PM »
US Postal Service warns it could default
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The US Postal Service warned on Friday that it could default on payments it owes the federal government, just days after the US government itself narrowly averted a default.

The government's mail service said it lost $3.1 billion in the period from April to June, blaming "the anemic state of the economy" and the growing popularity of electronic communications over old-fashioned letters.
As a result of its mounting losses, the US Postal Service said it would not be able to make a legally required $5.5 billion payment in September to a health-benefits trust fund.

"Absent substantial legislative change, the Postal Service will be forced to default on payments to the federal government," it said in a statement.

Dating back to 1775, the US Postal Service was once a crucial branch of the federal government, but in recent years it has come under increasing fire from critics who consider it bureaucratic and inefficient.
In July, it unveiled plans to identify nearly 3,700 under-used post offices around the United States for possible closure. The Post Office has been hemorrhaging billions of dollars in recent years.

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #136 on: August 05, 2011, 08:54:26 PM »
US Postal Service warns it could default
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The US Postal Service warned on Friday that it could default on payments it owes the federal government, just days after the US government itself narrowly averted a default.

The government's mail service said it lost $3.1 billion in the period from April to June, blaming "the anemic state of the economy" and the growing popularity of electronic communications over old-fashioned letters.
As a result of its mounting losses, the US Postal Service said it would not be able to make a legally required $5.5 billion payment in September to a health-benefits trust fund.

"Absent substantial legislative change, the Postal Service will be forced to default on payments to the federal government," it said in a statement.

Dating back to 1775, the US Postal Service was once a crucial branch of the federal government, but in recent years it has come under increasing fire from critics who consider it bureaucratic and inefficient.
In July, it unveiled plans to identify nearly 3,700 under-used post offices around the United States for possible closure. The Post Office has been hemorrhaging billions of dollars in recent years.


for the love of the baby jeebus

can you ever post a link?

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #137 on: August 05, 2011, 08:58:08 PM »

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2011, 09:33:08 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/us-postal-warns-could-default-222059604.html

isn't this threat of  ""default" some kind of advance retirement contribution that no other agency has

maybe we should let the USPS make a profit

or at least raise the first class rate up to the rest of the world

I'm sure business friendly Repubs would agree at the very least agree with those ideas


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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2011, 09:45:43 PM »
Why bother?  You repeatedly embarass youself with illogical statements like the above. 

   

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2011, 11:00:58 PM »
Straw invested his daughters savings account and trust fund in the post office.

Now, to make up the fact that Straw lost all of her money and actually owes several thousand to the Post Office, his 11 year old daughter is forced to clean the local post office on alternate weekends.

Sadly, Straw's only regret was that he did not invest more. He feels like he was right on the edge of saving it.

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2011, 03:30:13 PM »

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/usps-proposes-cutting-120000-jobs-pulling-out-of-health-care-plan/2011/08/11/gIQAZxIM9I_print.html


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USPS proposes cutting 120,000 jobs, pulling out of health-care plan
By Joe Davidson, Updated: Thursday, August 11, 5:04 PM


In an attempt to stem its financial hemorrhaging, the U.S. Postal Service is seeking to reduce its workforce by 20 percent, including through layoffs now prohibited by union contracts. USPS also wants to withdraw its employees from the health and retirement plans that cover federal staffers and create its own benefit programs for postal employees.

This major restructuring of the Postal Service’s relationship with its workforce would need congressional approval and would face fierce opposition from postal unions. But if approved, eliminating contract provisions that prevent layoffs and quitting the federal employee health and retirement programs could have ramifications for workers across the government and throughout the national’s labor movement.

In a notice to employees informing them of its proposals, with the headline “Financial crisis calls for significant actions,” the Postal Service said “we will be insolvent next month due to significant declines in mail volume and retiree health benefit prefunding costs imposed by Congress.”

The Postal Service plan is described in two draft documents obtained by The Washington Post. A “Workforce Optimization” paper acknowledges “that asking Congress to eliminate the layoff protections in our collective bargaining agreements is an extraordinary request by the Postal Service, and we do not make this request lightly. However, exceptional circumstances require exceptional remedies.

“The Postal Service is facing dire economic challenges that threaten its very existence. . . . If the Postal Service was a private sector business, it would have filed for bankruptcy and utilized the reorganization process to restructure its labor agreements to reflect the new financial reality.”

The USPS says it needs to reduce its workforce by 120,000 career positions by 2015, in addition to the 100,000 it expects through regular attrition. Some of the 120,000 could come through buyouts and other programs, but a significant number likely would be the result of layoffs, if Congress allows the agency to circumvent union contracts.

“Unfortunately, the collective bargaining agreements between the Postal Service and our unionized employees contain layoff restrictions that make it impossible to reduce the size of our workforce by the amount required by 2015,” according to the postal document. “Therefore, a legislative change is needed to eliminate the layoff protections in our collective bargaining agreements.”

How Congress will respond to the postal proposals remains to be seen. Many Republicans, including those who have sponsored legislation that labor considers anti-union, may support the plan. Some Democrats probably would back union opposition. But the Postal Service’s critical financial situation could make Democrats have second thoughts.

Two members of Congress who have introduced separate postal reform bills were non-committal on the USPS plan.

A spokeswoman for Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.) said “he is particularly interested in learning whether these proposals would be fair to employees and effective in reducing the Postal Service’s costs.”

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said: “These new ideas from the Postal Service are worth exploring. Options for reform and cost savings that will protect taxpayers from paying for a bailout, now or in the future, need to be on the table.”

Although what Congress will do is unknown, the response of postal unions has been certain.

American Postal Workers Union President Cliff Guffey said, “The APWU will vehemently oppose any attempt to destroy the collective bargaining rights of postal employees or tamper with our recently-negotiated contract — whether by postal management or members of Congress.”

National Rural Letter Carriers’ Association President Don Cantriel: “We are absolutely opposed” to the layoff proposal. “We are opposed to pulling out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. Our advisers are not advising us at all to even consider it.”

National Association of Letter Carriers President Fredric V. Rolando: “The issues of lay-off protection and health benefits are specifically covered by our contract. . . . The Congress of the United States does not engage in contract negotiations with unions and we do not believe they are about to do so.”




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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #142 on: August 14, 2011, 06:54:09 AM »
Labor Fight Goes Postal as Unions Rip USPS Cost-Cutting Plan to Slash Jobs, Revamp Benefits
www.foxnews.com ^ | August 12, 2011 | Staff @ FoxNews
Posted on August 14, 2011 12:37:07 AM EDT by Reagan is King

After skirmishes in Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana, the next big union battle is brewing at your local post office.

The U.S. Postal Service’s two largest unions blasted the financially strapped agency’s proposal to cut as many as 120,000 jobs and pull its workers out of the retirement and health benefits plans covering federal workers for a new benefit systems.

The Postal Service, which is facing a second year of losses totaling $8 billion or more, would need congressional approval for its plan and cooperation from the postal unions, which have contracts that ban layoffs unless Congress intervenes.

But the American Postal Workers Union, APWU, and the National Association of Letter Carriers, NALC, made their opposition clear.

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Re: Straw Man
« Reply #143 on: August 14, 2011, 10:41:32 AM »
The post office, unlike other federal agencies, is also required to make an annual payment of more than $5 billion as an advance contribution to future retiree medical costs.


they are also not allowed to make a profit

I've said  many times to let them raise the cost of postage (we have the lowest of all countries) and let them make a profit

you'd think the right wing/free market types would have no problem with either of those suggestions


333 - you've previously posted how much you like the USPS kiosks and other servives so surely you'd be wiling to pay more for postage

right?


You don't exect the government to subsidize your business by providing you postal services at less than market cost

right?