Mr. Olympia 1996 (Top 6 Placing)

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's the "correct" way of doing the side poses and how is Nasser's way "incorrect?"  Is there a manual that specifies what the "correct" way of doing it is? 

You're right, in that side chest comparison Nasser does not look like he outweighs Shawn by 50 lbs, looks more like he outweighs him by 70 lbs! 

And Nasser often looked bigger than Dorian even when their bodyweight was comparable (ex. in 1997 O their bodyweight was the same but Nasser looked bigger onstage), so how then does Dorian's size compare to lighter bodybuilder's onstage? 

Oh yes there is a right way to do a side chest pose and it is NOT like Nasser who does NOT pull his arm into the rib cage he puts it near the hip , he doesn't arch his rib cage or his lower back , he doesn't pull the arm all the way back he turns it into a front chest pose he to busy trying to show his abs , I think he would be more impressive if he did it the right way .

Nonsense Nasser looked bigger than Yates at the same weight , 1997 is a clear case of that even in 1996 when Yates was lighter he looks bigger , from the size Nasser's size is NOT apparent even next to Ray you like Hulkster see what you want , Nasser is NOT the imposing force from the sides as he is from the front

1996 ab-thigh Dorian is much lighter but you would never know it same with the ab-thigh of them at the same weight from 1997 Dorian looks bigger . same with the rear latspreads , etc , etc

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL so you're saying there is a certain critieria that no matter how much one bodybuilder excels over the other in all other bodyparts and areas, the back is magical in that lacking back detail relative to others will make you lose no matter what?  Then later when Jay's turn came that criteria was no longer valid?

And that the criteria doesn't apply to Flex or Phil?  Sounds like you're making up your own criteria as you go due to your love of Black bodybuilders

This is the IFBB criteria for the back double bicpes pose which they put a lot of emphasis on the back and this pose being the overall barometer of density , balance and definition one of his worse poses too

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.


This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

[Hulkster]

Another mistake you make like the Hulkster is you keep trying to rack up parts , it doesn't work that way it's poses who has the better pose that what counts

why you keep saying I am focusing on the parts is anyone's guess.

I have always argued that Ronnie beats dorian because his mandatories are way better (and they are) and the same applies to the nasser shots from the front as well.

thats the problem with dorian: he was a good back and calves and little else. and it shows greatly when you compare him to a late 90's post Mr. O ronnie or even the front shots with nasser.

dorian was a mess.

[NarcissisticDeity]

why you keep saying I am focusing on the parts is anyone's guess.

I have always argued that Ronnie beats dorian because his mandatories are way better (and they are) and the same applies to the nasser shots from the front as well.

thats the problem with dorian: he was a good back and calves and little else. and it shows greatly when you compare him to a late 90's post Mr. O ronnie or even the front shots with nasser.

dorian was a mess.

All you do is post a pic say " Ronnie has better this that and this " that's where I get you always focusing on parts

And spoken like a true ignorant moron trying to reduce Yates to a back and calves , this statement alone shows your bias , ignorance and stupidity and as usual bodybuilding experts and history own the living shit out of you

Dorian beat Nasser & Ronnie because he had better muscular balance AND proportion AND better density AND dryness AND because he was more complete AND he was better at posing AND presentation

the more you try and downplay how great Yates was it only makes you look more pathetic , I know Ronnie Coleman was great I can admit that , I know Nasser was great ( from the front ) I can admit that and what makes Yates even better is that he did and could always beat them both   

[bigbobs]

Oh yes there is a right way to do a side chest pose and it is NOT like Nasser who does NOT pull his arm into the rib cage he puts it near the hip , he doesn't arch his rib cage or his lower back , he doesn't pull the arm all the way back he turns it into a front chest pose he to busy trying to show his abs , I think he would be more impressive if he did it the right way .

And where is this criteria for a "correct" side chest pose coming from??  Yourself?  That's what I thought.   

Nonsense Nasser looked bigger than Yates at the same weight , 1997 is a clear case of that even in 1996 when Yates was lighter he looks bigger , from the size Nasser's size is NOT apparent even next to Ray you like Hulkster see what you want , Nasser is NOT the imposing force from the sides as he is from the front

1996 ab-thigh Dorian is much lighter but you would never know it same with the ab-thigh of them at the same weight from 1997 Dorian looks bigger . same with the rear latspreads , etc , etc

In 1995 and 1996 Nasser was 5-10 lbs heavier than Yates - (270 in 95 and 275 in 96), and in 97 they were both 270 lbs.  The only pose where Yates looked bigger was the rear lat spread.  In 97 the difference was most obvious from the front and sides.  The only part of Dorian that looked bigger from the front and sides was his gut  

Overall there was not much of a size difference (although Nasser was bigger overall), however since you keep saying "so and so weighed xx lbs less than Nasser but it doesnt look like it" it's fair to judge Dorian in  the same manner.

[MethodGNA]

And where is this criteria for a "correct" side chest pose coming from??  Yourself?  That's what I thought.   


In 1995 and 1996 Nasser was 5-10 lbs heavier than Yates - (270 in 95 and 275 in 96), and in 97 they were both 270 lbs.  The only pose where Yates looked bigger was the rear lat spread.  In 97 the difference was most obvious from the front and sides.  The only part of Dorian that looked bigger from the front and sides was his gut  

Overall there was not much of a size difference (although Nasser was bigger overall), however since you keep saying "so and so weighed xx lbs less than Nasser but it doesnt look like it" it's fair to judge Dorian in  the same manner.

.........please choke on seman at some point tonight.........your just a boring little fag............can you not grasp what a fucking laughing stock you are on here??.

[NarcissisticDeity]

And where is this criteria for a "correct" side chest pose coming from??  Yourself?  That's what I thought.   


In 1995 and 1996 Nasser was 5-10 lbs heavier than Yates - (270 in 95 and 275 in 96), and in 97 they were both 270 lbs.  The only pose where Yates looked bigger was the rear lat spread.  In 97 the difference was most obvious from the front and sides.  The only part of Dorian that looked bigger from the front and sides was his gut  

Overall there was not much of a size difference (although Nasser was bigger overall), however since you keep saying "so and so weighed xx lbs less than Nasser but it doesnt look like it" it's fair to judge Dorian in  the same manner.

And where is this criteria for a "correct" side chest pose coming from??  Yourself?  That's what I thought. 

It's ALAWAYS been how a proper side chest is done , notice Nasser's doesn't look like that of Yates , Levrone , Ray? he's the odd man out and his side chest sucks you may like it but contests aren't judged on what you like ' That's what I thought ' I'm explaining to YOU how contests are judged and how poses are done not the other way around kid 

n 1995 and 1996 Nasser was 5-10 lbs heavier than Yates - (270 in 95 and 275 in 96), and in 97 they were both 270 lbs.  The only pose where Yates looked bigger was the rear lat spread.  In 97 the difference was most obvious from the front and sides.  The only part of Dorian that looked bigger from the front and sides was his gut  

Overall there was not much of a size difference (although Nasser was bigger overall), however since you keep saying "so and so weighed xx lbs less than Nasser but it doesnt look like it" it's fair to judge Dorian in  the same manner.

1995 Dorian was list as 255 pounds Nasser 270 virtually the same height , that's a 15 pound difference see what Yates looks like from 1992-1993 with an extra 15 pounds it's makes a big difference

Dorian 1996 was listed at 257 pounds although he looks smaller especially compared  to the same weight as 1993 , Nasser was 275 that's a even bigger difference 1996 Dorian looked just as big in the front latspread , ab-thigh and rear latspreads , even a bigger discrepancy in 1997 at the same weight

And that's all a matter of semantics and why? Nasser wasn't as dense as Dorian so the ' bigger ' size even entertaining it was true is redundant , he's soft as a babies ass from the back , pretty hard from the front , when will you learn bigger and softer doesn't trump smaller much harder , he was in THIRD in 1996 to a much smaller and better conditioned man , please learn how contests are judged

1997 BOTH 270 pounds and Nasser doesn't look nearly as heavy or as big as Yates

[bigbobs]

It's ALAWAYS been how a proper side chest is done ,

Like I thought, there is no actual source for what you consider to be the absolute "correct" and "incorrect" way of doing a side chest pose.

1997 BOTH 270 pounds and Nasser doesn't look nearly as heavy or as big as Yates

LOL @ choosing a pic where Yates looks much taller than Nasser even though they are the same height.  Why don't you comment on this picture from 97 that's scaled properly.  What part of Yates (other than his belly) is bigger than Nasser's?

[Hulkster]

Dorian beat Nasser & Ronnie because he had better muscular balance AND proportion AND better density AND dryness AND because he was more complete AND he was better at posing AND presentation

no, he beat nasser because nasser had no back.

and he beat ronnie because ronnie looked like crap back then and EVERYONE was beating him.

none of your bullshit that you typed as reasons applies to these two cases in any way shape or form.

 

[Royal Lion]

Just watch parts 2 and 3 of the 96 Mr. O on YouTube and you'll see Dorian dominating Nasser.  It is a much better source than posting pics  They look the same in size, but Dorian is much, much drier.  

[bigbobs]

no, he beat nasser because nasser had no back.

Nasser more than made up for that one bodypart which Dorian beat him on by beating Dorian everywhere else.

Just watch parts 2 and 3 of the 96 Mr. O on YouTube and you'll see Dorian dominating Nasser.  It is a much better source than posting pics  They look the same in size, but Dorian is much, much drier. 

I watched the whole show and disagree - Nasser was clearly ahead of Dorian in 96

[Royal Lion]

Nasser has a better front dbl bicep and equal, arguably better, overhead abs.  Dorian wins the rest of the poses.  Just my opinion though, as I admit Nasser was incredible and virtually unbeatable in these two poses.

[jaejonna]

not this shit again

[NarcissisticDeity]

Like I thought, there is no actual source for what you consider to be the absolute "correct" and "incorrect" way of doing a side chest pose.

LOL @ choosing a pic where Yates looks much taller than Nasser even though they are the same height.  Why don't you comment on this picture from 97 that's scaled properly.  What part of Yates (other than his belly) is bigger than Nasser's?

Like I thought, there is no actual source for what you consider to be the absolute "correct" and "incorrect" way of doing a side chest pose.

Again Nasser's pose doesn't look like anyone eleses ever wonder why? side chest has been done that way since the first Olympia from Scott to Arnold to Haney to Yates , Nasser doesn't do the pose correctly like Levrone with the legs spread apart rear latspread that's not how it's done

and here is the Official IFBB judging criteria for the pose , so NO not just like you thought , do some reading on the subject before you try and act knowledgeable

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

LOL @ choosing a pic where Yates looks much taller than Nasser even though they are the same height.  Why don't you comment on this picture from 97 that's scaled properly.  What part of Yates (other than his belly) is bigger than Nasser's?

I posted a slew of pics NOT just that one and Nasser tends to crunch forward on the ab-thigh which would explain the height discrepancy and Dorian has hair 

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, he beat nasser because nasser had no back.

and he beat ronnie because ronnie looked like crap back then and EVERYONE was beating him.

none of your bullshit that you typed as reasons applies to these two cases in any way shape or form.

 

meltdown 

yeah , yeah and Dorian was just a back and calves yet Ronnie to this day INSISTS he could never touch him 

owned yet again

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser more than made up for that one bodypart which Dorian beat him on by beating Dorian everywhere else.

I watched the whole show and disagree - Nasser was clearly ahead of Dorian in 96

hahahaha find solidarity with the other crybaby , Nasser was never good enough to beat Yates and neither was Ronnie , at least Ronnie stood a chance to beating Dorian at his best it was NEVER going to happen with Nasser

I watched the whole show and disagree - Nasser was clearly ahead of Dorian in 96

Which is exactly why he won , oppsssss NO racists judges held the " Arab " down  you're just as pathetic as Hulkster when you have NO explanations cry politics

I'll give you 1997 which isn't saying much LMFAO he couldn't touch Yates at his best 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser has a better front dbl bicep and equal, arguably better, overhead abs.  Dorian wins the rest of the poses.  Just my opinion though, as I admit Nasser was incredible and virtually unbeatable in these two poses.

Exactly these were two very good poses for him , he looked awesome from the front ( sans front latspread another pose he can't do as well as Yates that is ) his conditioning was awesome FROM THE FRONT from the back he was Sponge BigBobs Soiled Pants

he was just limited to touch Dorian at his best

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates dominated 1996 and beat BOTH your heros in the process

poor Nasser why would you pull your arms back to draw attention to the worse part of your body? maybe he felt left out

[Hulkster]

whats really telling is that even back in 1996, when ronnie didn't look so hot and was still getting beaten by everyone, his back was still wider than dorian's in 96...

by 98/9 and onward he was so far ahead that dorian, well, he was negated to a distant second place in the ranking of bb's greatest back..

you won't see ND plastering this screenshot in every post LOL

I wonder why?

[NarcissisticDeity]

whats really telling is that even back in 1996, when ronnie didn't look so hot and was still getting beaten by everyone, his back was still wider than dorian's in 96...

by 98/9 and onward he was so far ahead that dorian, well, he was negated to a distant second place in the ranking of bb's greatest back..

you won't see ND plastering this screenshot in every post LOL

I wonder why?

Oh boy  because Ronnie is not closer to the camera and the smaller waist & hips help with the ILLUSION Of superior width , which proves pics can be misleading and that pic is NOTHING new

Dorian's back RAPES Ronnies 96 or 99 0r 2003 it doesn't matter

and YOU never answered the question what makes Flex's poll better than this one? and Flex said Yates had the best back of the 20th century INCLUDED 1998 and 1999 owned again 

Ronnie's back is lacking AT HIS BEST compared to Dorian not the other way around

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2974091

[the_swami]

i think Dorian raped Narcotic Dicky............which explains why he is so in love with Dorian.

[Sherief Shalaby]

back to my sherief shalaby account again 

not like ND who always posts pics of certain poses or fron certain angles to show dorian's superiority, here i am posting all the available shots from the video of this contest to make a fair nasser/dorian comparison..

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