Dorian vs Nasser

[bigbobs]

Even in his prime (1995 - mid 1999) Nasser was defeated countless times by Levrone (9), Dillet, Wheeler (4), Coleman (4), Cormier (2), Taylor (3), Clairmonte (2), Ray (1). Note none of these guys have the last name Yates. These defeats occured during Nasser's peak. At what you claim is his best.

From 95 to 99 Nasser beat all of those guys much more often than they beat him.  Yes, when entering 30+ shows over those years, there will be a few instances where some of them may place higher in specific shows, but more often than not Nasser beat those guys.  Like I said, top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows during that period.  Each of the other men you listed had placings below 4th during that period, except for Nasser.  The only man who was undefeated during that period was Dorian, and like the pictures, videos and his friendships show, this was largely due to politics and bias.  Other than Shawn Ray, Nasser is the only man out of the names you listed who was outspoken, which is not good for one's contest placings either.  Having a "non-white" name also didn't help.

And LOL @ the fact that you took the time to go through each of those contests' placings and noted each name that was ahead of Nasser and the # of times during those years.  Obsessed much?

  if Dorian Yates doesn't exist, Nasser still only wins 1 Olympia, 1997. In 1996, Ray beats him but Nasser has the unfair advantage of taking illegal diuretics much closer to the show then anyone else. He's DQ'd and places last. In 1995, Levrone beats him. In 1999, it was between Ronnie and Flex. Nasser was a distant 3rd.

Practically every competitor took diuretics in 96.  There were rumours that there would be a test but no test was actually done.  Ask anyone who competed at the 96 O if you want confirmation of this.  Nasser was DQ'd because he told Mike Matarazzo that he took diuretics (in passing) who ratted him out.

Don't be so naive to think that IFBB is such a credible organization with fair judging and practices.  A lot happens behind the scenes.  Nasser's book will shed light on much of this.

[keanu]

And LOL @ the fact that you took the time to go through each of those contests' placings and noted each name that was ahead of Nasser and the # of times during those years.  Obsessed much?

It's called cut and paste and took 5 minutes. Obsessed?? lol. Funny Bob. You'd have Nasser's kids if you could. You've dodged the point about why the IFBB would want someone like Dorian to represent them over Nasser. Surely the Weider brothers being Jewish would not want a Skinhead, youth offender with (maybe) a highschool education to represent them. Why not choose someone else? 

Nasser beat Levrone more then 9 times, I doubt it. Kevin's career and record beats Nasser's convincingly.

[MethodGNA]

From 95 to 99 Nasser beat all of those guys much more often than they beat him.  Yes, when entering 30+ shows over those years, there will be a few instances where some of them may place higher in specific shows, but more often than not Nasser beat those guys.  Like I said, top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows during that period.  Each of the other men you listed had placings below 4th during that period, except for Nasser.  The only man who was undefeated during that period was Dorian, and like the pictures, videos and his friendships show, this was largely due to politics and bias.  Other than Shawn Ray, Nasser is the only man out of the names you listed who was outspoken, which is not good for one's contest placings either.  Having a "non-white" name also didn't help.

And LOL @ the fact that you took the time to go through each of those contests' placings and noted each name that was ahead of Nasser and the # of times during those years.  Obsessed much?

Practically every competitor took diuretics in 96.  There were rumours that there would be a test but no test was actually done.  Ask anyone who competed at the 96 O if you want confirmation of this.  Nasser was DQ'd because he told Mike Matarazzo that he took diuretics (in passing) who ratted him out.

Don't be so naive to think that IFBB is such a credible organization with fair judging and practices.  A lot happens behind the scenes.  Nasser's book will shed light on much of this.

please, please...........and one more PLEASE...........can you Please die of your AIDS tonight. and never post your obsessive homosexuality on here ever again.................do you understand how much everyone laughs at you

[Stapleton]

From 95 to 99 Nasser beat all of those guys much more often than they beat him.  Yes, when entering 30+ shows over those years, there will be a few instances where some of them may place higher in specific shows, but more often than not Nasser beat those guys.  Like I said, top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows during that period.  Each of the other men you listed had placings below 4th during that period, except for Nasser.  The only man who was undefeated during that period was Dorian, and like the pictures, videos and his friendships show, this was largely due to politics and bias.  Other than Shawn Ray, Nasser is the only man out of the names you listed who was outspoken, which is not good for one's contest placings either.  Having a "non-white" name also didn't help.

And LOL @ the fact that you took the time to go through each of those contests' placings and noted each name that was ahead of Nasser and the # of times during those years.  Obsessed much?

Practically every competitor took diuretics in 96.  There were rumours that there would be a test but no test was actually done.  Ask anyone who competed at the 96 O if you want confirmation of this.  Nasser was DQ'd because he told Mike Matarazzo that he took diuretics (in passing) who ratted him out.

Don't be so naive to think that IFBB is such a credible organization with fair judging and practices.  A lot happens behind the scenes.  Nasser's book will shed light on much of this.

So what about those instances when nasser did win. NOC and the Arnold. Did he manage to somehow pacify the  so called "racism" that the judges had for him?  Did he manage to temporarily swing politics in his favor for that day? Surely the same judges were present when he competed in those competitions the second time and won second place a year later. He also competed outside the US on numerous occasions. Surely if he was at his best during 95-98 he would have won more often.  6 wins throughout his whole career for such a formidable competitor is pathetic.

Excuses are aplenty when you lose. Its always politics/judges/racism/divorce and god knows what else. Its always easy to blame everyone except yourself. If the IFBB is such a horrible place to compete in why did nasser continue to stay? He could have retired sooner than 2005. He retired only when his drug use began to have serious repercussions on his body and he was hospitalized quite a few times. The fact that he was outspoken like shawn ray is a joke. According to your previous posts nasser stayed quiet to avoid any controversy.  Shawn continued to speak his mind at the risk of lower placings while nasser opted to stay quiet in fear until his retirement. Samir bannout has  a non white name too? I wonder how he managed to win an Olympia over "white" competitors.


I think you're just too biased and obesssed with nasser to see reality.  Typical blind fanboy claiming every excuse in the book as to why his hero didn't win. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie came into the picture because your bitch ND had to get in his troll comment as always:



Time will crown the king


    Re: Dorian vs Nasser
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2009, 04:21:13 PM » Quote 

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Yet neither could beat Dorian ever   
 

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ND always brings Ronnie into any dorian thread.

 
 
 

hahahah everyone knows you're the biggest troll ON here ALL you know is Yates and me it's 99% of your posts on GetBig , where are YOU in yet another Dorian Yates thread , case closed and p.s. BigBobs brought up Ronnie I just pointed out the FACT neither him or Nasser could ever beat Yates 

continue with your meltdown

[NarcissisticDeity]

these guys need any angle/excuse they can get..

fact is, even the competitors that placed OUT OF THE TOP 10 had a better relaxed front shot than dorian.

why?

because he had a powerlifter type physique, not a classic bodybuilder type..unlike Ronald Dean Coleman

lmfao a classic bodybuilder type physique is Lee Labrada , Bob Paris , Steve Reeves , etc NOT Ronnie Coleman you're so ignorant to this day on what bodybuilding is . you think a narrow waist is a classic physique you're still lost I remember you desperately try to convince everyone Ronnie was aesthetic too lmao yet he's missing two out of three aesthetic muscles ( calves , abdominals and delts )

as usual you know nothing , classic type physique right here heheheheheh

[Sherief Shalaby]

hahahah everyone knows you're the biggest troll ON here ALL you know is Yates and me it's 99% of your posts on GetBig , where are YOU in yet another Dorian Yates thread , case closed and p.s. BigBobs brought up Ronnie I just pointed out the FACT neither him or Nasser could ever beat Yates 

continue with your meltdown

why are you personally insulting him??.. according to you doing that means you cant beat him with logic

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Obsessed much?

Practically every competitor took diuretics in 96.  There were rumours that there would be a test but no test was actually done.  Ask anyone who competed at the 96 O if you want confirmation of this.  Nasser was DQ'd because he told Mike Matarazzo that he took diuretics (in passing) who ratted him out.

Don't be so naive to think that IFBB is such a credible organization with fair judging and practices.  A lot happens behind the scenes.  Nasser's book will shed light on much of this.

  Obsessed much?

irony alert

Practically every competitor took diuretics in 96.  There were rumours that there would be a test but no test was actually done.  Ask anyone who competed at the 96 O if you want confirmation of this.  Nasser was DQ'd because he told Mike Matarazzo that he took diuretics (in passing) who ratted him out.

excuses , excuses , same old excuses with you all bulls shit Nasser told you , the test ratted him and he failed and Yates never needed diuretics they were for guys who didn't watch their diets and cardio all year and needed to get with the program at the last minute


and the IFBB sucks and it's all politics then every single contest Nasser won was FIXED too , you can't have it bought ways , continue with your excuses you're in good company with Hulkster and Nasser

[bigbobs]

You've dodged the point about why the IFBB would want someone like Dorian to represent them over Nasser. Surely the Weider brothers being Jewish would not want a Skinhead, youth offender with (maybe) a highschool education to represent them. Why not choose someone else? 

This has been addressed many times by myself and Swami, including my posts within the last few days. 

Nasser beat Levrone more then 9 times, I doubt it. Kevin's career and record beats Nasser's convincingly.

Actually he beat him much more than 9 times.  If you spent the same time it took you to tally up the guys who beat Nasser in some few shows from 95 to 99 to do the same and see how many times Nasser beat Levrone during that time period you'll be surprised.  Here's a hint, he beat Levrone in 3 consecutive Olympias 96, 97, and 98, many Euro shows and Arnold Classics.

[bigbobs]

So what about those instances when nasser did win. NOC and the Arnold. Did he manage to somehow pacify the  so called "racism" that the judges had for him?  Did he manage to temporarily swing politics in his favor for that day? Surely the same judges were present when he competed in those competitions the second time and won second place a year later. He also competed outside the US on numerous occasions. Surely if he was at his best during 95-98 he would have won more often.  6 wins throughout his whole career for such a formidable competitor is pathetic.

The politics aren't strong enough to give a top contender like Nasser no wins or top 3 placings, and therefore he did still get top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows, however if he were friendlier with the powers that be and not so outspoken many of those 2nd and 3rd placings would have been 1st and 2nds.  And LMAO that his contest placings are "pathetic," using your logic only a couple of bodybuilders could avoid being labelled as "pathetic."  How many times in your life have you been labelled as being the #1 in the world in whatever you do?

According to your previous posts nasser stayed quiet to avoid any controversy.  Shawn continued to speak his mind at the risk of lower placings while nasser opted to stay quiet in fear until his retirement.

He was not as outspoken during  his competitive years as he is today, but was outspoken nonetheless.  He had a few contraversial interviews in Flex magazine back in 97 trashing much of the politics involved.  Behind the scenes (i.e. not in Flex magazine publications) he had many negative encounters with Jim Manion as well. 

[Palpatine Q]

The politics aren't strong enough to give a top contender like Nasser no wins or top 3 placings, and therefore he did still get top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows, however if he were friendlier with the powers that be and not so outspoken many of those 2nd and 3rd placings would have been 1st and 2nds. 

This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read here.  now we're talking about levels of corruption?

Nasser was one of the best of his time, but he wasn't THE best....... fucking deal with it already

[bigbobs]

This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read here.  now we're talking about levels of corruption?

Nasser was one of the best of his time, but he was THE best....... fucking deal with it already

Thanks for admitting that he was "THE best" - truth comes out 

[Palpatine Q]

Thanks for admitting that he was "THE best" - truth comes out 

fixed

[NarcissisticDeity]

why are you personally insulting him??.. according to you doing that means you cant beat him with logic

irony alert

calling him a troll isn't an insult it's the truth , you're grasping at straws here kid

he was soundly beat eons ago now I'm just pointing out what he's been reduced to , much like yourself 

[delta9mda]

This has been addressed many times by myself and Swami, including my posts within the last few days. 

Actually he beat him much more than 9 times.  If you spent the same time it took you to tally up the guys who beat Nasser in some few shows from 95 to 99 to do the same and see how many times Nasser beat Levrone during that time period you'll be surprised.  Here's a hint, he beat Levrone in 3 consecutive Olympias 96, 97, and 98, many Euro shows and Arnold Classics.

how many ASC's did Nasser win compared to Kev

[NarcissisticDeity]

The politics aren't strong enough to give a top contender like Nasser no wins or top 3 placings, and therefore he did still get top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows, however if he were friendlier with the powers that be and not so outspoken many of those 2nd and 3rd placings would have been 1st and 2nds.  And LMAO that his contest placings are "pathetic," using your logic only a couple of bodybuilders could avoid being labelled as "pathetic."  How many times in your life have you been labelled as being the #1 in the world in whatever you do?

He was not as outspoken during  his competitive years as he is today, but was outspoken nonetheless.  He had a few contraversial interviews in Flex magazine back in 97 trashing much of the politics involved.  Behind the scenes (i.e. not in Flex magazine publications) he had many negative encounters with Jim Manion as well. 

The politics aren't strong enough to give a top contender like Nasser no wins or top 3 placings, and therefore he did still get top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows, however if he were friendlier with the powers that be and not so outspoken many of those 2nd and 3rd placings would have been 1st and 2nds.  And LMAO that his contest placings are "pathetic," using your logic only a couple of bodybuilders could avoid being labelled as "pathetic."  How many times in your life have you been labelled as being the #1 in the world in whatever you do?

you're beyond delusional almost at Hulkster's level ......almost

you're way to biased and emotionally wrapped up to admit the obvious he simply wasn't good enough

He was not as outspoken during  his competitive years as he is today, but was outspoken nonetheless.  He had a few contraversial interviews in Flex magazine back in 97 trashing much of the politics involved.  Behind the scenes (i.e. not in Flex magazine publications) he had many negative encounters with Jim Manion as well. 

by outspoken do you mean bitter? he didn't have much to say back then now his career is long over and he's reduced to selling used briefs on his website he's trying to generate some publicity for a ' tell all book ' lol

nothing worse than has-beens crying about how they were shafted 12 years later speaks volumes of where he is emotionally

[NarcissisticDeity]

This has been addressed many times by myself and Swami, including my posts within the last few days. 

Actually he beat him much more than 9 times.  If you spent the same time it took you to tally up the guys who beat Nasser in some few shows from 95 to 99 to do the same and see how many times Nasser beat Levrone during that time period you'll be surprised.  Here's a hint, he beat Levrone in 3 consecutive Olympias 96, 97, and 98, many Euro shows and Arnold Classics.

1992 NOC
1992 Chicago Pro
1994 Mr Olympia                                        1996 GP Czech Nasser beat Kev
1995 GP England                                         1996 GP England
1995 GP Germany                                        1996 GP Germany
1995 GP Russia                                           1996 GP Russia   
1995 GP Spain                                            1996 GP Spain 
1995 Mr O                                                 1996 GP Switzerland
1996 Mr O ( Nasser DQ )                              1997 ASC     
1997  Czech GP
1997 GP England
1997 GP Finland
1997 GP Germany
1997 GP Hungary
1997 GP Russia
1997 GP Spain                                              1997 Mr O
1998 GP Finland
1998 GP Germany                                          1998 Mr O
                                                                 1999 ASC
1999 GP England
1999 Mr O
1999 World Pro
2000 Mr O
2001 Mr O
2002 ASC
2002 Mr O



Nasser only beat Levrone 10 times and Kevin beat him 25 times , so your claim Nasser beat him ' much more than 9 times ' is a LIE

Levrone has much more professional wins than Nasser by far I'm not sure if this is a comparison to Kev but in all honesty there isn't any , Levrone kills him too


                                                       

[keanu]

Nasser only beat Levrone 10 times and Kevin beat him 25 times , so your claim Nasser beat him ' much more than 9 times ' is a LIE

Levrone has much more professional wins than Nasser by far I'm not sure if this is a comparison to Kev but in all honesty there isn't any , Levrone kills him too

                                                   

I'm not surprised. Bob definately didn't major in math.

[kiwiol]

Nasser only beat Levrone 10 times and Kevin beat him 25 times , so your claim Nasser beat him ' much more than 9 times ' is a LIE

Levrone has much more professional wins than Nasser by far I'm not sure if this is a comparison to Kev but in all honesty there isn't any , Levrone kills him too

[HUGEPECS]

lol......this thread is Manlier than being Mauled alive by a white tiger at a Las Vegas show

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex Wheeler vs Nasser
 
1993 GP France                       1995 GP Spain
1993 GP Germany                     1995 Mr O
1996 Mr O ( Nasser DQ )
1997 ASC
1997 San Jose Pro
1998 ASC
1998 Mr O
1999 GP England
1999 Mr O
1999 World Pro
2000 Mr O
2002 Mr O

Nasser didn't fair so well against Flex  12 to 2 

   

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser 53 professional shows with just 6 career wins
Levrone 62 professional shows with 20 career wins
Flex 33 professional shows with 17 pro wins
Vince Taylor 74 professional shows with 21 pro wins
Labrada 24 professional shows with 7 pro wins

Nasser's record or lack there of speaks volumes on how great he was 

[bigbobs]

LOL @ ND's pasting of contest history.  I already acknowledged that his placings dropped (for many reasons) after 99, the discussion I was partaking in was that from 95 to mid-99, and my point still remains that during this period he had the most consistent record out of the men Keanu listed.  Top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows and never placing below 4th.  He did not "lose" the 96 AC as ND's pasted history implies - otherwise Jay Cutler also lost the 2001 Olympia and placed below everyone.   Flex also lost the 97 Olympia because he withdrew knowing that he would not place in top few spots like Nasser did.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL @ ND's pasting of contest history.  I already acknowledged that his placings dropped (for many reasons) after 99, the discussion I was partaking in was that from 95 to mid-99, and my point still remains that during this period he had the most consistent record out of the men Keanu listed.  Top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows and never placing below 4th.  He did not "lose" the 96 AC as ND's pasted history implies - otherwise Jay Cutler also lost the 2001 Olympia and placed below everyone.   Flex also lost the 97 Olympia because he withdrew knowing that he would not place in top few spots like Nasser did.

As usual you can't offer up a response because you were proven flat out wrong , you either lied or guessed he placed ahead of Kevin ' much more than 9 times '

it's NOT the 96 AC it's the 96 Olympia and he was DISQUALIFIED for cheating , Jay wasn't big difference , Jay had an angle Nasser didn't history shows Jay placed second and Nasser didn't place

Flex didn't lose the 1997 Mr Olympia because he never entered it in order to lose , if he did he probably would have lost but that's neither here nor there Nasser did NOT beat Flex Wheeler at the 1997 Mr Olympia that's a FACT

Nasser's record clearly shows he was a good bodybuilder 6 wins in 53 tries lol I know you think he's spectacular but he's not

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Ray beat Nasser 5 to 3