OK I am a juicer.

[kyomu]

you look natural, your ripped up so your upper body appears larger than it is, so to the untrained eye you may look "big"... but taking a look at the outline of your muscles and your actual size, your small guy.

Small guy haha. Nobody say that here. OK.
I outmass most of juicers here(Spain). You are revealing that you dont have any idea.
 
My mass is actualy juicers mass(Paco says it also). but my quality is typical natural. In short, lookin soft.

[ironneck]

once i competed at the mr o and placed top 3

[kyomu]

I juicer.

Thanx for your comment.

[affeman]

once i competed at the mr o and placed top 3

Who has beaten you?

[tbombz]

look at the line from your elbow up along your tricep around your delt and up your trap. theres no movement to that line really, a BIG guy will have a good outward curve along the tricep, big rounded delts, a gap between the end of the delt and the clavicle(your delts and clavicles are one and the same), and traps that jump up off the bone, rather than smoothly ascend slowly upwards.

[#1 Klaus fan]

So kyomu claims you can be a pro size naturally (20" arms etc). Hmmm I don't know if I should believe that.

[kyomu]

look at the line from your elbow up along your tricep around your delt and up your trap. theres no movement to that line really, a BIG guy will have a good outward curve along the tricep, big rounded delts, a gap between the end of the delt and the clavicle(your delts and clavicles are one and the same), and traps that jump up off the bone, rather than smoothly ascend slowly upwards.

What level are you talking about?
Top national level hah?

I am bigger than most of juicers around 80kg.
But of course i am way smaller than those 90kg beasts.

[kyomu]

So kyomu claims you can be a pro size naturally (20" arms etc). Hmmm I don't know if I should believe that.

Frankly saying,My genetic is bad. Even with my genetic, i could reach this level (now 18.5inch around).
So, if good genetic people do the same thing as me, why not?

[#1 Klaus fan]

I am bigger than most of juicers around 80kg.
But of course i am way smaller than those 90kg beasts.

Amazing. I wonder why that is...

[tbombz]

What level are you talking about?
Top national level hah?

I am bigger than most of juicers around 80kg.
But of course i am way smaller than those 90kg beasts.

im talking about being "big", not about any level at all.

your muscles themselves are larger than most dudes in the gym, sure. undoubtedly. but your size itself is not big at all.

if you think everybody at 80kilo is juicing, thats why you think you much bigger than you are. 90kg CAN be a beast, but only if they are short and ripped.

[Genius]

Amazing. I wonder why that is...

Too much crack lately..

[TrueGrit]

Kyomo, is this making you happy? There is an edginess and need for recognition that makes me wonder...

[#1 Klaus fan]

Frankly saying,My genetic is bad. Even with my genetic, i could reach this level (now 18.5inch around).
So, if good genetic people do the same thing as me, why not?

And still pros decide to melt their livers trying to gain desperatly more muscle.  

[kyomu]

im talking about being "big", not about any level at all.

your muscles themselves are larger than most dudes in the gym, sure. undoubtedly. but your size itself is not big at all.

if you think everybody at 80kilo is juicing, thats why you think you much bigger than you are. 90kg CAN be a beast, but only if they are short and ripped.

Its obvious that you havent even competed..
When I talk about 80kg, its -80kg category of the competition.
It means that I have a barcelona champ level mass(Paco also says).

[kyomu]

Kyomo, is this making you happy? There is an edginess and need for recognition that makes me wonder...

just talking.

[Rinc]

Frankly saying,My genetic is bad. Even with my genetic, i could reach this level (now 18.5inch around).
So, if good genetic people do the same thing as me, why not?

Aren't you 40+ years old, kinda old to still be obsessed with this type of crap.

[kyomu]

And still pros decide to melt their livers trying to gain desperatly more muscle.  

For the infos.
Even european ama level competitors of -90kg category have 50cm arms.

Paco has 61.5cm arms. So, pro average is like 53-56cm arms.

19inchs are only 48cm.

[kyomu]

Aren't you 40+ years old, kinda old to still be obsessed with this type of crap.

BBing?

Why cant i obsessed with my hobby?

So do you want me to be a boring middle age dad?

[#1 Klaus fan]

Don't tell us Paco has never offered some "candy" to you?  

[kyomu]

Don't tell us Paco has never offered some "candy" to you?  

Paco is not that stupid like dealers around here.

[#1 Klaus fan]

For the infos.
Even european ama level competitors of -90kg category have 50cm arms.

Paco has 61.5cm arms. So, pro average is like 53-56cm arms.

19inchs are only 48cm.

Some naturals who train hard and they train seriously have trouble breaking the 40 cm barrier. That tells us something. And they are often really strong too, so it's not it...

[kyomu]

Some natural folk who train hard and they train seriously have trouble breaking the 40 cm barrier. That tells us something. And they are often really strong too, so it's not it...

Dont tell me a huge lie.
I have trained since 1988.
Muscle wont come over night as you young guys think.
Plus, i have never seen even one young boy who eat super strict and train hard to death.
Gimme a break.

[MichaelScottDM]

Kyomu, i dont have time to read all 5 pages. Have u seriously been bullshitting us about your natural status? Simple question are you natural or not??

[kyomu]

Kyomu, i dont have time to read all 5 pages. Have u seriously been bullshitting us about your natural status? Simple question are you natural or not??

PM

[#1 Klaus fan]

Dont tell me a huge lie.
I have trained since 1988.
Muscle wont come over night as you young guys think.
Plus, i have never seen even one young boy who eat super strict and train hard to death.
Gimme a break.

Not just young guys.