Dieting: trace fats only Vs trace + added healthy fats

[Bobby]

low fat intake: only trace fats from low fat protein and carbs sources = around 15-20g fat per day

Vs

trace fats + added healthy fats = 30-40g? fat per day


Discuss

[Princess L]

low fat intake: only trace fats from low fat protein and carbs sources = around 15-20g fat per day

Vs

trace fats + added healthy fats = 30-40g? fat per day


Discuss

What's to discuss?  Added healthy fats are necessary.

[Bobby]

well, sometimes i see bodybuilders who even remove oatmeal and brown rice from their diet and replace it with white rice. Just to get rid of the trace fats. So their total fat intake is like 5-10g per day. I know J Rod does this.

Then there are others that eat oatmeal and also add fats. Like Jay and DJ

[Princess L]

well, sometimes i see bodybuilders who even remove oatmeal and brown rice from their diet and replace it with white rice. Just to get rid of the trace fats. So their total fat intake is like 5-10g per day. I know J Rod does this.

Then there are others that eat oatmeal and also add fats. Like Jay and DJ

It doesn't pay to compare "assisted" contest prep bbr's with a natural, non-contest prep avg. Joe's.  Also, it's not even worth considering that type of anal micro-manipulation unless BF is already EXTREMELY low and even then, ~fish oil is highly recommended.

[Bobby]

It doesn't pay to compare "assisted" contest prep bbr's with a natural, non-contest prep avg. Joe's.  Also, it's not even worth considering that type of anal micro-manipulation unless BF is already EXTREMELY low and even then, ~fish oil is highly recommended.

i see... It's odd though, that it's the 'unassisted' bbr that eats such low amounts of fat. I thought it would be the other way around.

[tbombz]

well, sometimes i see bodybuilders who even remove oatmeal and brown rice from their diet and replace it with white rice. Just to get rid of the trace fats. So their total fat intake is like 5-10g per day. I know J Rod does this.

Then there are others that eat oatmeal and also add fats. Like Jay and DJ

i think its best to use carb and protein sources with as little fat as poisisble. the oatmeal for white rice thing is good, because your not eating carbs for fat, your eating carbs for carbs. so get your carb intake in with as little fat as possble. same holds true for protein.

now, that being said, i think adding in essential fats, while at the same time making your trace fats as close to zero as possible, is healthier and probably better for results (as long as its the right amount of the right type of fats that are added)

[Bobby]

That's weird...why remove the fats just to add them in again? most trace fats are unsaturated anyway.

Is there a preferance between mono or polyunsaturated fat? if so, which is better?

[tbombz]

That's weird...why remove the fats just to add them in again? most trace fats are unsaturated anyway.

Is there a preferance between mono or polyunsaturated fat? if so, which is better?

mono and poly. yes there is a difference. and within the subcategories there are other differences.

monounsaturated tend to be very good for metabolism, but they are not fat loss aids, they are just good types of fat to use if your lookign for a source of energy from fats. i wouldnt ever add in mono's unless i was doing so in the place of adding in carbs 9which i would never doanyway, not untill in like 50.y.o lol)

polyunsaturateds fats are abundant in most bodybuilding diets... except for the polyunsaturated fats  that are good. the only polys id add are the essential fats, and just add enough of them.


basically what your doing is eliminating every single bit of fat that you can eliminate, but making sure hat you still have your essential fats... ala(epa dha), gla, but o9 isnt as important and you shouldnt worry bout it

[Bobby]

Sooo what exactly should i add? nuts? those that are high in poly like walnuts & brazilian nuts and not those high in mono like almonds and cashews?

The only extra fat i'm getting now is the rapeseed oil that i cook my cod & chicken in

I'm not looking at replacing carbs with fat, i like high carbs and protein. But everyone says you should eat healthy fat as 15% of your caloric intake, I'm getting maybe half that. My understanding of fat goes as far as poly and mono, 'epa dha' etc i have no idea what it means.

[tbombz]

the only fats i would ad is a few grams of fish oil and a few grams of evening primrose oil and thaqts all the fats you need.

[Bobby]

the only fats i would ad is a few grams of fish oil and a few grams of evening primrose oil and thaqts all the fats you need.

Because those are high in omega3? omega6 is not that important, you get enough from diet anyway right?

Are there other things i can eat than fish-oil and EP-oil to get the same effect?

[tbombz]

Because those are high in omega3? omega6 is not that important, you get enough from diet anyway right?

Are there other things i can eat than fish-oil and EP-oil to get the same effect?

fish oil for the epa/dha content, and epo for the gla content.

o6 and o9 arent as important because most everyone already gets enough, but within o6 you have a few diff types of fats, and the type of o6 that is necessary = gla, is not found in most peoples diets..and its very beneficial.

so supplement with epa/dha(fish oil), and with gla(evening primrose oil).... Adnd besides that try to get your fat intake as low as possible.



of course the above advice is for high carb dieters trying to get lean while keeping carbs as high as possible.

[Bobby]

fish oil for the epa/dha content, and epo for the gla content.

o6 and o9 arent as important because most everyone already gets enough, but within o6 you have a few diff types of fats, and the type of o6 that is necessary = gla, is not found in most peoples diets..and its very beneficial.

so supplement with epa/dha(fish oil), and with gla(evening primrose oil).... Adnd besides that try to get your fat intake as low as possible.



of course the above advice is for high carb dieters trying to get lean while keeping carbs as high as possible.

yes i will try to keep my fats to a minimum and have some more carbs, right now planning on 240g carb 280gprotein 20g fat for a workout days, around 2500cals, carbs will be 80g in the first 3 meals. Off day 160g carb 230g protein 20g fat, around 1900cals and again 50g carbs in the first 3 meals then nothing. I have been having bad results with lower carbs, med fat diets. i lose fat but nowhere near as much as i should have considering the low cal intake.

How is your progress going? passed the 250 mark now or have you cut down some?

[tbombz]

that diet sounds good. ive cut down, i got up to the upper 250's... now im down to 240 maybe upper 230's... summer job is oevr so ive got to lean out cuz my winter job is personal training and clients flee to the shredded trainers more so than just the big ones...

[Bobby]

that diet sounds good. ive cut down, i got up to the upper 250's... now im down to 240 maybe upper 230's... summer job is oevr so ive got to lean out cuz my winter job is personal training and clients flee to the shredded trainers more so than just the big ones...

How far down will you diet to? will you be pting fulltime? I have been thinking about that too, did you take a license or something for it?

[tbombz]

How far down will you diet to? will you be pting fulltime? I have been thinking about that too, did you take a license or something for it?

i got certified almost two years ago through ISSN. Im not sure what weight ill get down to, but ill get down to a level where i have good cuts and conditioning on every part of my body.... like 8-12% bf...  i htink its going to take me another month or two of cutting.. 

[Bobby]

sounds more like 5-6%

my goal is to be around there, when you are tight and cant grab any substancial amount of fat when you pinch yourself, lower abdominals and lower back etc, especially lower back.

cutting sucks but worth the results, you have been growing enough anyway it seems, good luck!