Would you date him... the dropout?

[BayGBM]

Ladies, I am trying to convince a guy that I know to go back and finish school.  He dropped out a few years ago before getting his associate’s degree.  I am trying to convince him to return and earn this bachelor’s.  In addition to improving his employment prospects, I have told him that finishing school will improve his dating prospects.  He is single right now and dates intermittently.  Can you back me up? 

Do women care about this sort of thing?  Would you find an excuse to dump a guy you might otherwise like once you learned he dropped out of school?  Doesn’t a guy’s prospect as a potential mate go up if you know he finished school?  Would you seriously date a drop out?  Can you imagine building a happy future with a guy who never finished school?  Remember, we live in 2009—not the 1940’s.  Without a degree these days so many professional and personal opportunities are closed to him.

I see no downsides to finishing his education and many closed doors ahead if he doesn't... but he appears to need convincing.

[24KT]

I will say only this... About 13 years ago, my cousin's wife passed the NY State bar exam and received a very lucrative job offer from a very prestigious Manhatten law firm. At her celebration party, my cousin was all smiles, ...he was sooo proud of his wife. As the family celebrated, my uncle pulled his son aside, and said... "Wow, you must be really proud of her. She's gonna be moving and shaking in the big leagues now". My cousin had the biggest shit eating grin on his face... he looked like a Chesire cat. My uncle continued on... "She's gonna be earning 6 figures annually, possibly even 7, ...wheeling & dealing with high powered executives, doing power lunches with Wall street titans, entertaining captains of industry..." to which my cousin could only nod in agreement, and grin even wider. Then my uncle dropped the bombshell. He said "So son, tell me, ...how long do you think it'll be before she leaves you?" That wiped the shit eating grin off my cousin's face in less than a nano-second. The very next day he went back to university to finish his degree.

Just as in nature, ...when you're green, you're growing... if not, ...you're rotting & decaying.
It's hard to maintain a relationship if one party is growing, while the other isn't. That applies to all aspects of your life. You know how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with a partner who doesn't share your love of physical fitness, ...think how much more difficult it can be to maintain one with a woman who supercedes your level of success, ...especially with so many eligible suitors & competitors waiting in the wings for you to make just one wrong move... As sexist as it may sound, ...the reality is, todays couples on the whole are not as liberated from traditional gender roles to easily surmount the obstacles and stigmas associated with couples wherein the woman's success outpaces the mans. Whether those obstacle & stigmas are of their own making and only in their minds, ...they are there nonetheless.

Bottom line: High achieving women prefer high achieving men. Why limit your options?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=284120.0
 

[BayGBM]

I will say only this... About 13 years ago, my cousin's wife passed the NY State bar exam and received a very lucrative job offer from a very prestigious Manhatten law firm. At her celebration party, my cousin was all smiles, ...he was sooo proud of his wife. As the family celebrated, my uncle pulled his son aside, and said... "Wow, you must be really proud of her. She's gonna be moving and shaking in the big leagues now". My cousin had the biggest shit eating grin on his face... he looked like a Chesire cat. My uncle continued on... "She's gonna be earning 6 figures annually, possibly even 7, ...wheeling & dealing with high powered executives, doing power lunches with Wall street titans, entertaining captains of industry..." to which my cousin could only nod in agreement, and grin even wider. Then my uncle dropped the bombshell. He said "So son, tell me, ...how long do you think it'll be before she leaves you?" That wiped the shit eating grin off my cousin's face in less than a nano-second. The very next day he went back to university to finish his degree.

Just as in nature, ...when you're green, you're growing... if not, ...you're rotting & decaying.
It's hard to maintain a relationship if one party is growing, while the other isn't. That applies to all aspects of your life. You know how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with a partner who doesn't share your love of physical fitness, ...think how much more difficult it can be to maintain one with a woman who supercedes your level of success, ...especially with so many eligible suitors & competitors waiting in the wings for you to make just one wrong move... As sexist as it may sound, ...the reality is, todays couples on the whole are not as liberated from traditional gender roles to easily surmount the obstacles and stigmas associated with couples wherein the woman's success outpaces the mans. Whether those obstacle & stigmas are of their own making and only in their minds, ...they are there nonetheless.

Bottom line: High achieving women prefer high achieving men. Why limit your options?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=284120.0
 

I guess that rules this guy out?  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=281208.0

[Princess L]

It could say a couple of things about him.  Underachiever, unmotivated, doesn't finish what he's started, low self esteem, indecisive...

What's holding him back?  Finances? Fear of failure? Laziness? Unsure of career path?

[powerpack]

I will say only this... About 13 years ago, my cousin's wife passed the NY State bar exam and received a very lucrative job offer from a very prestigious Manhatten law firm. At her celebration party, my cousin was all smiles, ...he was sooo proud of his wife. As the family celebrated, my uncle pulled his son aside, and said... "Wow, you must be really proud of her. She's gonna be moving and shaking in the big leagues now". My cousin had the biggest shit eating grin on his face... he looked like a Chesire cat. My uncle continued on... "She's gonna be earning 6 figures annually, possibly even 7, ...wheeling & dealing with high powered executives, doing power lunches with Wall street titans, entertaining captains of industry..." to which my cousin could only nod in agreement, and grin even wider. Then my uncle dropped the bombshell. He said "So son, tell me, ...how long do you think it'll be before she leaves you?" That wiped the shit eating grin off my cousin's face in less than a nano-second. The very next day he went back to university to finish his degree.

Just as in nature, ...when you're green, you're growing... if not, ...you're rotting & decaying.
It's hard to maintain a relationship if one party is growing, while the other isn't. That applies to all aspects of your life. You know how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with a partner who doesn't share your love of physical fitness, ...think how much more difficult it can be to maintain one with a woman who supercedes your level of success, ...especially with so many eligible suitors & competitors waiting in the wings for you to make just one wrong move... As sexist as it may sound, ...the reality is, todays couples on the whole are not as liberated from traditional gender roles to easily surmount the obstacles and stigmas associated with couples wherein the woman's success outpaces the mans. Whether those obstacle & stigmas are of their own making and only in their minds, ...they are there nonetheless.

Bottom line: High achieving women prefer high achieving men. Why limit your options?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=284120.0
 

So I guess your saying in this modern age, a guy still cant be a liberated home executive to a succesful wife 

[BayGBM]

So I guess your saying in this modern age, a guy still cant be a liberated home executive to a succesful wife 

Um, walking away from a successful career in order to be a stay-at-home dad or homemaker is not the same thing as never having had a successful career to begin with.  Opposites attract (rich/poor, educated/uneducated) in movies and fairy tales, but in the real world, I think most people want to built a life with someone they see as an equal.

Assuming he could land a successful woman in the first place, a dropout would likely soon find that he has little in common with an educated and highly motivated woman.

[Butterbean]

When you say "dropout" I usually think of someone that didn't finish high school. 

People can be successful that didn't finish college (highschool as well I suppose) though.

I don't really think there is as much a stigma regarding not finishing college as not finishing high school.

[danielson]

If your parents are rich, you will be rich. It's the America way. Obviously there is no downside to earning your education. However, a girl would take a trust fund kid or a dumbass whose dad gave him a great job right out of high school just the same. True story, my Mom divorced my dad when I was six. When she was 37 she married an 18 year old. Neither one of them have ever worked a day in their lives. Ever. Now my stepdad is like 44 and spends his days playing videogames living off my mothers inheritance and quite possibly my Grandmothers money, I have no clue tbh. You think he gives a shit how or where the money came from? I know this is an extreme case, but money is money.

[ToxicAvenger]

Ladies, I am trying to convince a guy that I know to go back and finish school.  He dropped out a few years ago before getting his associate’s degree.  I am trying to convince him to return and earn this bachelor’s.  In addition to improving his employment prospects, I have told him that finishing school will improve his dating prospects.  He is single right now and dates intermittently.  Can you back me up? 

I dropped out of college my senior yr...parents wanted me to go pre med and i wanted to do physics...senior yr i simply got disgusted with the wierd mix of classes i had to take ...lotsa biology and every physics elective i could get dad to pay for...i ws 18 when i dropped out

now ...recently i had a bunch of Univ Md masters level students in my class (from the comp engineering dept)...i taught the class and hung in there punch for punch (although another instructor took over for me for a day and they ate him alive)...

i ws never meant for college anyhow...the second a professor would say "reiterate" i'd leave the class...bored out of my mind...

[benchmstr]

I dropped out of college my senior yr...parents wanted me to go pre med and i wanted to do physics...senior yr i simply got disgusted with the wierd mix of classes i had to take ...lotsa biology and every physics elective i could get dad to pay for...i ws 18 when i dropped out

now ...recently i had a bunch of Univ Md masters level students in my class (from the comp engineering dept)...i taught the class and hung in there punch for punch (although another instructor took over for me for a day and they ate him alive)...

i ws never meant for college anyhow...the second a professor would say "reiterate" i'd leave the class...bored out of my mind...

don't feel bad bro, i went to college got a degree in mechanical enginering and still to this day have no plans of using that degree......fuck college!!

you have to do what makes you happy, if your not having a awesome time you are wasting your life!!!!!!


bench

[BayGBM]

I dropped out of college my senior yr...parents wanted me to go pre med and i wanted to do physics...senior yr i simply got disgusted with the wierd mix of classes i had to take ...lotsa biology and every physics elective i could get dad to pay for...i ws 18 when i dropped out

now ...recently i had a bunch of Univ Md masters level students in my class (from the comp engineering dept)...i taught the class and hung in there punch for punch (although another instructor took over for me for a day and they ate him alive)...

i ws never meant for college anyhow...the second a professor would say "reiterate" i'd leave the class...bored out of my mind...

You weren't meant for college... so, you decided to drop out in you senior year?  

Do you think you would have made the same decision had you been paying your own way and had, for example, accumulated student loans?  I suspect not.

In any case, life is not working out so well for the bud I mentioned.  He has found his employment options very limited and the women he is interested in tend to eschew him in favor of men that are more motivated.  Hence, his interest in returning to school.  If he were 50 I'd say make the best of it... but he is only 25.

[ToxicAvenger]

You weren't meant for college... so, you decided to drop out in you senior year?   

yeap...i ws 15 and basically had no say in what i chose as a major...soo senior yr i simply stopped showing up for finals ...and they kicked me out    parents wouldn't let me quit so i flunked out

Do you think you would have made the same decision had you been paying your own way and had, for example, accumulated student loans?  I suspect not.

u dont know me well....besides...i'd prolly have a physics degree now

In any case, life is not working out so well for the bud I mentioned.  He has found his employment options very limited and the women he is interested in tend to eschew him in favor of men that are more motivated.  Hence, his interest in returning to school.  If he were 50 I'd say make the best of it... but he is only 25.

if he is technical minded mention the CCIE path (cisco cert internetworking expert)...its interesting and he'll make more money with most people with degrees....albiet..not easyy

http://www.ccie.org/

[ToxicAvenger]

don't feel bad bro, i went to college got a degree in mechanical enginering and still to this day have no plans of using that degree......fuck college!!

you have to do what makes you happy, if your not having a awesome time you are wasting your life!!!!!!


bench

i dont feel bad trust me...when ya turn down 6 figure job offers...u dont feel bad at all 
6 months from now..i pass my CCIE..walk into around 120/yr..and move up from there...
the work is relatively easy...to people in the field you r basically a god...and i can "park" my CCIE # with a max of 3 companies when they bid for contracts and sit at home and collect 2 to 3 grand / month / company

[Parker]

I will say only this... About 13 years ago, my cousin's wife passed the NY State bar exam and received a very lucrative job offer from a very prestigious Manhatten law firm. At her celebration party, my cousin was all smiles, ...he was sooo proud of his wife. As the family celebrated, my uncle pulled his son aside, and said... "Wow, you must be really proud of her. She's gonna be moving and shaking in the big leagues now". My cousin had the biggest shit eating grin on his face... he looked like a Chesire cat. My uncle continued on... "She's gonna be earning 6 figures annually, possibly even 7, ...wheeling & dealing with high powered executives, doing power lunches with Wall street titans, entertaining captains of industry..." to which my cousin could only nod in agreement, and grin even wider. Then my uncle dropped the bombshell. He said "So son, tell me, ...how long do you think it'll be before she leaves you?" That wiped the shit eating grin off my cousin's face in less than a nano-second. The very next day he went back to university to finish his degree.

Just as in nature, ...when you're green, you're growing... if not, ...you're rotting & decaying.
It's hard to maintain a relationship if one party is growing, while the other isn't. That applies to all aspects of your life. You know how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with a partner who doesn't share your love of physical fitness, ...think how much more difficult it can be to maintain one with a woman who supercedes your level of success, ...especially with so many eligible suitors & competitors waiting in the wings for you to make just one wrong move... As sexist as it may sound, ...the reality is, todays couples on the whole are not as liberated from traditional gender roles to easily surmount the obstacles and stigmas associated with couples wherein the woman's success outpaces the mans. Whether those obstacle & stigmas are of their own making and only in their minds, ...they are there nonetheless.

Bottom line: High achieving women prefer high achieving men. Why limit your options?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=284120.0
 

A former female friend of mine has gone out of state for her Master's, It made me think about myself, even though with my job, i have learned that majority of people with advanced degrees are either stupid, or use the degree to grease their egos. I've dealt with Attorneys, doctors, and business people, and from what I gather, today's society could be a lot better and would achieve much more if people took their egos out of the equations.  For instance, American doctor's views on health care is not preventive, just prescribe some pills for the ailment...more money in their pockets if you see them...Attorneys and bailbondsmen, they feed off the criminal element. If you are not getting locked up, then less money for them...

How does this transfer to me, well, I was reading a quote from a "Urban Model" Vanessa Veasley, she basically stated, something similar to what you said Jag, basically that if you are not doing something, then you are not growing...

So, I've  decided to get m butt back to school and go get a Master's in Psychology...

Although, I know, I am WAYYYYY more intelligent than my former friend...I can't be caught sleeping.
 
Thanks Vanessa...

[240 is Back]

If I was single and looking for new people, I'd go for college educated people, like myself.

I think it's because most people I know without any education... I don't have a lot to talk about when I'm around them. 

[Parker]

Although, jag, how is she doing now, at the Law firm, is she doing the Go-For thing, like most new lawyers? And how about the debt from Law School? I was reading a article a yr ago about high powered lawyers in the entertainment and sports field, and one said that working at a big time Law Firm is actually bad business...You get paid six figures to deal with hundreds of millions of dollars, basically getting a fraction of what you dealing with...would any sane business person do that?

[Playboy]

In the end, money talks and B.S. walks. Not everyone is cut out for school. I know lots of people who are loaded and they don't even have a secondary school deploma. How one succeeds in life all depends on the person's life experiences, street smarts and general common sense. Luck too. Inheritance, lottary, whatever. Money is money and its all green. $$$

[24KT]

Although, jag, how is she doing now, at the Law firm, is she doing the Go-For thing, like most new lawyers? And how about the debt from Law School? I was reading a article a yr ago about high powered lawyers in the entertainment and sports field, and one said that working at a big time Law Firm is actually bad business...You get paid six figures to deal with hundreds of millions of dollars, basically getting a fraction of what you dealing with...would any sane business person do that?

She's doing quite well... infact they both are... the quintessential Buppie couple.

[24KT]

In the end, money talks and B.S. walks. Not everyone is cut out for school. I know lots of people who are loaded and they don't even have a secondary school deploma. How one succeeds in life all depends on the person's life experiences, street smarts and general common sense. Luck too. Inheritance, lottary, whatever. Money is money and its all green. $$$

I'm not talking $$$, I'm talking achievement. There's a big difference. Someone can inherit all the money in the world, but if their mentality is a lazy one, or if they lack personal motivation, or personal vision, they will not be very compatible with those who have those character & personality traits. Bill Gates was a drop out, ...but he is a high achiever, a self-motivated, results oriented, man of vision. He wasn't a reed that blew in the wind. That's the difference. Women often look not only to a man's achievements, ...but also his potential. Can he plan his work, ...then work his plan?

[Parker]

She's doing quite well... infact they both are... the quintessential Buppie couple.

Divorced within 10 yrs...Lawyers suck, they tend to go into justifying their lack of ethics, morals---it happens slowly over time...they become cold especially female attorneys.

I'm not talking $$$, I'm talking achievement. There's a big difference. Someone can inherit all the money in the world, but if their mentality is a lazy one, or if they lack personal motivation, or personal vision, they will not be very compatible with those who have those character & personality traits. Bill Gates was a drop out, ...but he is a high achiever, a self-motivated, results oriented, man of vision. He wasn't a reed that blew in the wind. That's the difference. Women often look not only to a man's achievements, ...but also his potential. Can he plan his work, ...then work his plan?

This is what all successful men do--to get into your Vickies...
But character and passion are needed Jag--for shame...you should know that, it is the most overlook qaulity, and for that reason, many relationships fall apart.

[garebear]

You weren't meant for college... so, you decided to drop out in you senior year?  

Do you think you would have made the same decision had you been paying your own way and had, for example, accumulated student loans?  I suspect not.

In any case, life is not working out so well for the bud I mentioned.  He has found his employment options very limited and the women he is interested in tend to eschew him in favor of men that are more motivated.  Hence, his interest in returning to school.  If he were 50 I'd say make the best of it... but he is only 25.

If you want Rod Stewart's body

And you think he's sexy

Come on, Bay, let him know

at  rodstewart@yahoo.com

[Eyeball Chambers]

In the end, money talks and B.S. walks. Not everyone is cut out for school. I know lots of people who are loaded and they don't even have a secondary school deploma. How one succeeds in life all depends on the person's life experiences, street smarts and general common sense. Luck too. Inheritance, lottary, whatever. Money is money and its all green. $$$

Agree

[Eyeball Chambers]

If you want Rod Stewart's body

And you think he's sexy

Come on, Bay, let him know

at  rodstewart@yahoo.com

HAHA

[xxxLinda]

Depends perhaps on what he looks like and whether his sense of self is sufficient (and whether he has developed a sense of humour?


What's this about Rod Stewart (will read the entire thread next, but felt I must comment...



I quit school on my 16th birthday, moved from the 'burbs in Don Mills into a studio apartment in downtown Toronto at Church and Wellesley.  I learned at the university of life, went out and got work.  I learned to type and was a 100wpm secretary, a hotel receptionist, etc.  I worked hard.

I could've gone to university, my parents had a fund for me (they were 1950s and had put away 1 shilling a week for me since my birth.  My dad had me sign the form over to him when I was 18 and was working at a glam mag, running window display competitions to tie in with the Film Festival and going to every party and doing breakfasts for VIPs.  I did very well without University.

In fact, uni would have spoilt me.  I'd have had to learn what they wanted me to learn, to tick off boxes and answer questions correctly as they decree and not be creative.  Higher education actually stunts your growth.  Far better to decide what you want to know and then go and find out for yourself...


We would laugh at the recent college and uni grads we had to hire.  We'd attempt to give them a bit of experience.  


Experience is what matters, not a few daft letters after your name.



and noone ought to do what doesn't suit them.. Most of us are not cut out for higher education, we'd all be better off working and contributing to society. 

Noone ought do what others or parents think is best. 


& We sure as hell didn't have gap years in those days.  Nowadays kids take a year off to travel the world before committing to Uni!!!  Softies.  Who pays for that?




Something going on here in England, in the news today:  20-30 years ago 4percent of the population (the chosen few, with rich parents or a 150 IQ) went to Uni.  Nowadays it's 40percent and none of them can get a job because they don't know how to.



xxx

I said no to Uni and went out and got a job.  I did though apply to the Sorbonne when I was 15 and living in Canada.  My French was 96pc in the advanced class.  I was offered a place.  But I didn't go to Paris, I just went to work.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Whether or not someone possesses a degree isn't as much of a factor as whether the person is motivated to succeed or not.

I admire self-taught success much more.

It actually almost seems like everyone I know who has an advanced degree almost completely lacks any common sense.  Anyone else notice this phenomenon?