I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH

[aliamini]

I wrote this before the Arnold Classic … I tried to make it very easy to understand & sufficient

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm

[bigmc]

I wrote this before the Arnold Classic … I tried to make it very easy to understand & sufficient

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ali_amini_gh_interview.htm

talk about underplaying its role in bb 

[local hero]

so you recomend to shoot post workout ?......

how does everyone else use it, i always shot before bed and upon awakening,,,,,,,,,and if i had a lot, in the afternoon too..

[aliamini]

so you recomend to shoot post workout ?......

how does everyone else use it, i always shot before bed and upon awakening,,,,,,,,,and if i had a lot, in the afternoon too..

everyone has his own protocol ... but a lot fail in explaining why ... i explained in teh article and chek out the lasted heavy muscle radio where i explain it as well with Dave Palumbo who does it the other way ... great opinions sharing ... i would like to c more of that

 
http://www.rxmuscle.com/hmr-radio-show.html

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Next time use references, anyone can make claims. Robson should receive a lead pipe in the neck for crappy for comma abuse!

[tbombz]

hey aliamin, im not a expert at all and i posses a very limited understanding of endcroniology and how the homrones function in the body. HOWEVER, your article, even to me, is blatantly pulled out of yourass.

where are you getting this stuff??


"To get the full effect of GH, timing and amount are crucial. Needless to say, period taken and consistency is more important than the total amount, as taking a 200 IU kit of GH over 50 days (at 4 IU a day) is more efficient than taking the same 200 IU over a period of 25 days (at 8 IU a day)."

GH diverts calories in food towards protein synthesis and away from fat synthesis as demonstrated in animal tests. It is as powerful as testosterone in stimulating protein synthesis properties."

"IGF-1 is a 70 amino acid single chain hormone that has been shown to be the most potent derivative (caused by GH release or administration) of GH," continues Ali. "GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.


Therefore, using GH at a time when insulin is low (using blood sugar as an indicator), post workout would be the best time to use it. However, if administrated in conjunction with insulin, GH should be taken immediately post workout with the insulin administered within a 30-40 minute window after that."


However, it would be even better to take it (the second GH dose) during the sleeping period, when, for example, waking up in middle of the night to go to the bathroom."

"The main benefit of GH is its action on the liver to produce IGF-1," says Ali. "So, for this matter, it is important to know the capability of the liver in terms of how much GH it can use to get the maximum result/benefit. The liver can work with three to four IU of GH at a time and can do that twice a day with a reasonable gap of five to seven hours.

"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works. Therefore you need to supplement your body with the two hormones mentioned to compensate the shortage, edge out the gains and minimize the side effect of insulin.



im just half way through your article, and already all that bolded ashit is inaccurate, misleading, or just plain made-up.


aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject

[chaos]

aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject

Dearest tdongz,

  Please take your own advice and STFU.

Best regards,

  Getbig

[tbombz]

Dearest tdongz,

  Please take your own advice and STFU.

Best regards,

  Getbig

do you even know what igf is abbreviated for ? lol... chaos go back to being an ugly cone headed kankle having idiot.

[chaos]

do you even know what igf is abbreviated for ? lol... chaos go back to being an ugly cone headed kankle having idiot.

Admit it, you typed this with a lisp, didn't you?

[tbombz]

Admit it, you typed this with a lisp, didn't you?

lol! im more man than you will ever be, dumbass

[chaos]

lol! im more man than you will ever be, dumbass

That's it, throw your hands up in a roid rage and smash that keyboard!! hahaha

If taking cock in the ass and calling it a "deep tissue massage" means you are more of a man than me, then yes, yes you are, fag.

[pellius]

There is definitely a relationship between insulin and hgh. I once had to take an insulin sensitivity test where they inject insulin directly in a vein in one arm and dextrose in a vein in another. As soon as they injected the insulin it didn't take long for me to start to black out where upon they immediately injected dextrose that brought me back to life. On the computer read out it showed that as my blood sugar dropped my HGH levels increased. It seemed to be inversely proportional. The lower the blood sugar the higher the HGH release.

The procedure was considered risky and I had to sign waivers and there were two nurses and a doctor present the whole time the test was being done.

[flexingtonsteele]

That's it, throw your hands up in a roid rage and smash that keyboard!! hahaha

If taking cock in the ass and calling it a "deep tissue massage" means you are more of a man than me, then yes, yes you are, fag.

HAHAHAHA, the back and forth between you two is always hillarious.

[aliamini]

hey aliamin, im not a expert at all and i posses a very limited understanding of endcroniology and how the homrones function in the body. HOWEVER, your article, even to me, is blatantly pulled out of yourass.

where are you getting this stuff??


"To get the full effect of GH, timing and amount are crucial. Needless to say, period taken and consistency is more important than the total amount, as taking a 200 IU kit of GH over 50 days (at 4 IU a day) is more efficient than taking the same 200 IU over a period of 25 days (at 8 IU a day)."

GH diverts calories in food towards protein synthesis and away from fat synthesis as demonstrated in animal tests. It is as powerful as testosterone in stimulating protein synthesis properties."

"IGF-1 is a 70 amino acid single chain hormone that has been shown to be the most potent derivative (caused by GH release or administration) of GH," continues Ali. "GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.


Therefore, using GH at a time when insulin is low (using blood sugar as an indicator), post workout would be the best time to use it. However, if administrated in conjunction with insulin, GH should be taken immediately post workout with the insulin administered within a 30-40 minute window after that."


However, it would be even better to take it (the second GH dose) during the sleeping period, when, for example, waking up in middle of the night to go to the bathroom."

"The main benefit of GH is its action on the liver to produce IGF-1," says Ali. "So, for this matter, it is important to know the capability of the liver in terms of how much GH it can use to get the maximum result/benefit. The liver can work with three to four IU of GH at a time and can do that twice a day with a reasonable gap of five to seven hours.

"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works. Therefore you need to supplement your body with the two hormones mentioned to compensate the shortage, edge out the gains and minimize the side effect of insulin.



im just half way through your article, and already all that bolded ashit is inaccurate, misleading, or just plain made-up.


aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject

This was actually the most hilarious part … cause no way in hell u can be serious with these comments … however if you are double check with an endocrinologist and u will get ur answer


But really man … u r funny
 

[pellius]

As the medical test proved, it is not insulin per se that effects HGH levels but rather blood sugar. When I was injected with insulin, as my blood sugar went down my HGH levels increased. After I was injected with dextrose my insulin levels didn't rise, since it was already high, but my HGH levels dropped.

So, I guess it's possible to increase HGH by injecting insulin and bringing down your blood sugar. Which is another reason why you produce HGH at night when you sleep. It's not that it's because insulin is low but rather your blood sugar is low.

[WillGrant]

As the medical test proved, it is not insulin per se that effects HGH levels but rather blood sugar. When I was injected with insulin, as my blood sugar went down my HGH levels increased. After I was injected with dextrose my insulin levels didn't rise, since it was already high, but my HGH levels dropped.

So, I guess it's possible to increase HGH by injecting insulin and bringing down your blood sugar. Which is another reason why you produce HGH at night when you sleep. It's not that it's because insulin is low but rather your blood sugar is low.

Slin drives blood sugar down taking it out of your blood stream and putting it into your muscles its like a key of sort unlocking the muscle to let the sugar in.Thats very interesting that as you went low your naural hgh increased. 

Guys that take higher amounts of HGH via injection tend to make there own insulin less effective as it becomes "sluggish" a term that is often refered to as insulin sensitivity..once a BB introduces an external form of slin it becomes like chucking fuel onto the fire..

[bigdumbbell]

everyone has his own protocol ... but a lot fail in explaining why ... i explained in teh article and chek out the lasted heavy muscle radio where i explain it as well with Dave Palumbo who does it the other way ... great opinions sharing ... i would like to c more of that

 
http://www.rxmuscle.com/hmr-radio-show.html

we'd like to see more pics of you...you're an internet star

[pellius]

Slin drives blood sugar down taking it out of your blood stream and putting it into your muscles its like a key of sort unlocking the muscle to let the sugar in.Thats very interesting that as you went low your naural hgh increased. 

Guys that take higher amounts of HGH via injection tend to make there own insulin less effective as it becomes "sluggish" a term that is often refered to as insulin sensitivity..once a BB introduces an external form of slin it becomes like chucking fuel onto the fire..

Yes, that's what they were testing for. Insulin sensitivity. When I told the nurse that I felt like a wimp because I passed out so quickly she told me that was good. She said that she has injected double the amount on some people and it didn't phase them. They were, or were on their way, to being a type 2 diabetic.

[Van_Bilderass]

As the medical test proved, it is not insulin per se that effects HGH levels but rather blood sugar. When I was injected with insulin, as my blood sugar went down my HGH levels increased. After I was injected with dextrose my insulin levels didn't rise, since it was already high, but my HGH levels dropped.

So, I guess it's possible to increase HGH by injecting insulin and bringing down your blood sugar. Which is another reason why you produce HGH at night when you sleep. It's not that it's because insulin is low but rather your blood sugar is low.

They must have been looking for GH deficiency with that test. This is the way adult GHD is diagnosed (among other provocation agents, etc). AFAIK, insulin is not injected when testing glucose tolerance (insulin sensitivity). Well, they do sometimes but it's done another way. And why would GH levels have been part of the test anyway, if it was just a GTT. I could be wrong though.

Yes, inducing hypo will increase GH and some renegades have played with insulin this way.

I don't know about BG being low at night having that much to do with GH released during sleep. It's more the sleep stages me thinks. Plus GH pulses throughout the day anyway, with the nightly surge being a bit higher.

[Van_Bilderass]

This was actually the most hilarious part … cause no way in hell u can be serious with these comments … however if you are double check with an endocrinologist and u will get ur answer


But really man … u r funny
 

Do you have any reference for these points. I genuinely interested.

"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works."

Will a person injecting insulin produce less GH total per day? I suspect not. Same with the thyroid. Mostly because it hasn't been researched, plus bodybuilders often only do 1-2 shots of short acting Humalog a day. I don't see how it would have an impact but am not sure.

[aliamini]

Do you have any reference for these points. I genuinely interested.

Will a person injecting insulin produce less GH total per day? I suspect not. Same with the thyroid. Mostly because it hasn't been researched, plus bodybuilders often only do 1-2 shots of short acting Humalog a day. I don't see how it would have an impact but am not sure.

hey aliamin, im not a expert at all and i posses a very limited understanding of endcroniology and how the homrones function in the body. HOWEVER, your article, even to me, is blatantly pulled out of yourass.

where are you getting this stuff??


"To get the full effect of GH, timing and amount are crucial. Needless to say, period taken and consistency is more important than the total amount, as taking a 200 IU kit of GH over 50 days (at 4 IU a day) is more efficient than taking the same 200 IU over a period of 25 days (at 8 IU a day)."

GH diverts calories in food towards protein synthesis and away from fat synthesis as demonstrated in animal tests. It is as powerful as testosterone in stimulating protein synthesis properties."

"IGF-1 is a 70 amino acid single chain hormone that has been shown to be the most potent derivative (caused by GH release or administration) of GH," continues Ali. "GH is a hormone that works back to back with insulin so the lower the insulin, the more GH the pituitary gland produces, and thus there will be a better environment for GH to work.


Therefore, using GH at a time when insulin is low (using blood sugar as an indicator), post workout would be the best time to use it. However, if administrated in conjunction with insulin, GH should be taken immediately post workout with the insulin administered within a 30-40 minute window after that."


However, it would be even better to take it (the second GH dose) during the sleeping period, when, for example, waking up in middle of the night to go to the bathroom."

"The main benefit of GH is its action on the liver to produce IGF-1," says Ali. "So, for this matter, it is important to know the capability of the liver in terms of how much GH it can use to get the maximum result/benefit. The liver can work with three to four IU of GH at a time and can do that twice a day with a reasonable gap of five to seven hours.

"By introducing insulin to your body, GH and thyroid hormone levels drop dramatically. That is just how the human body works. Therefore you need to supplement your body with the two hormones mentioned to compensate the shortage, edge out the gains and minimize the side effect of insulin.



im just half way through your article, and already all that bolded ashit is inaccurate, misleading, or just plain made-up.


aliamini please save yourself from the humiliation and embarrasment and cease to talk about any kind of bodybuilding related subject

Of course man … u r never sure … u just want to argue … y don’t u guys do ur research before posting here!!!

Why would I need references … all that I mentioned is what was discovered by endocrinologists & pharmacologists … except for the part of how to use GH & I explained y I do the way I do … so u can double chek that with an endocrinologist near u

[Van_Bilderass]

Of course man … u r never sure … u just want to argue … y don’t u guys do ur research before posting here!!!

Why would I need references … all that I mentioned is what was discovered by endocrinologists & pharmacologists … except for the part of how to use GH & I explained y I do the way I do … so u can double chek that with an endocrinologist near u

Why would you need references? Because you are talking out of your ass, that's why. Here you have a perfect chance to show me what a fool I am before everyone. You can't do it.

You want to talk about personal experience? Fine.

You want to talk about supposed facts discovered by endocrinologists and pharmacologists? Not fine when it's all bullshit that no endo would ever say or claim.

Go ahead, make me a fool and show evidence that a daily post-workout shot of Humalog will dramatically drop my thyroid levels or GH levels. This is common knowledge apparently, since any endo would back you up.

And I need to do my research? 

[tbombz]

aliamini, everything i bolded is innacurate dude.


first off, timing is crucial? actually, timing doesnt matter in the slightest. and if it did matter, and likeyou said it should be post workout... well then your still  wrong, because to have gh postworkout, you wouldnt take it postworkout, you would have to take into account the lag time to peak levels, which means you would be using it a few hours before your workout in order for it to function as a postworkout.

as powerful as test for protein synthesis? please. aliamini its been shown numerous times that androgens are far superior for gains in muscle mass

igf is the most potent derivative? thats guess work aliamini. with gh being involved in hundreds of different known growth factors, and probably thousands of unkown as well, there is no way to make such a statement.


low insulin lets gh work better? well, yes gh and insulin are metabolic opposites as far as their effects on fat and glucose metabolism,  but that doesnt in anyway signify that insulin needs be low for gh to be optimal effect. in fact, the two are most likely synergfestic is peaked at tyhe same time. whil insulin does speed gh clearence, it also helps to make the body react better to it


main action is liver igf1? ? ? of really...lmao...aliamini if you followed endocrinbology erven in the slightest, you would know that liver igf-1 is pretty much useless for gains in muscle size. now, locally produced igf-1 found in muscle tissue, that is probably the most potent effect.

the liver can only work with 3-4 iu at a time? thats completely pulled out of your ass and theres  no scientific basis for it at all.




im just starting out, i took a few minutes to write that up for you. you=my bitch

[tbombz]

its about goddamn time i start getting paid for this shit

[Schmoe Buster]

Ali is a small little bitch who sells drugs to bodybuilders, he says its the bodybuilders fault that ABBF officials are corrupt because the bodybuilders are stupid and they deserve it