I tried to make it the best and most complete article about GH

[Mr Nobody]

Ali is a small little bitch who sells drugs to bodybuilders, he says its the bodybuilders fault that ABBF officials are corrupt because the bodybuilders are stupid and they deserve it

Sounds like a Chick qoute to me.

[aliamini]

Oh my god … if u listened to the raion show u would have got all of those answers.  & I have mentioned how to take GH when u take insulin … but seems u didn’t read it … if u guys read without fude uw ill learn everything and it will make sense … but u guy just wan to attack … and that hurt my feeling … NOT  

Who compared GH with testosterones androgen effect … I said their properties for stimulating the protein synthesis … man … did u even read the article???



I swear … If u guys read the article more than once without taking it personal u will get all of ur answers … or even better why don’t u guys double chek with a endocrinologists  

Y is 3-4iu of GH at a time … ask a pharmacologists who has been in the business for a while and he will tell u

Ur not arguing with me about my opinions or recommendations … u all argue about how the medical community agrees on how body works after all their work

Van_Bilderass: has researches … yes man keep it up u will reach ur goal one day … if u ever know what it is

tbombz: man u r still the funniest guy in my opinion … u should get paid for ur comedy … ever thought of doin stand ups  

Schmoe Buster: I love u too  

now to get serious … u guys do ur research as I wont do anyone's else's home work … I have enough work that I am barely keeping up with … I actually have a life

grow up guys and read the article well & listen to the show without being bias to ur false opinions ….

This is what keeps me in getbig … great guy like u 2 who think they are legends in their own minds "The Kamali Quote"    

[Mr Nobody]

 

[Albert Schmidt]

Ali if it all works so well How come you look like SHIT???

[Schmoe Buster]

Ali if it all works so well How come you look like SHIT???

This question needs answering

Ali I will not dispute your knowledge but I question your ethics and morals, you advise and sell drugs to bodybuilders who behind their back you call stupid and say are deserving of the corruption and bribery instigated by the rats like Chua and Chan, you seem to have a lot in common with these two, indeed all three of you look like you have never worked out yet you seem rightous in your positions as presidents,chairmans,"guru", drug dealer, I say all three of you morons go try to train like a bodybuilder instead of trying to get rich by swindling a bunch of muscle heads

[pellius]

They must have been looking for GH deficiency with that test. This is the way adult GHD is diagnosed (among other provocation agents, etc). AFAIK, insulin is not injected when testing glucose tolerance (insulin sensitivity). Well, they do sometimes but it's done another way. And why would GH levels have been part of the test anyway, if it was just a GTT. I could be wrong though.

Yes, inducing hypo will increase GH and some renegades have played with insulin this way.

I don't know about BG being low at night having that much to do with GH released during sleep. It's more the sleep stages me thinks. Plus GH pulses throughout the day anyway, with the nightly surge being a bit higher.

No the test was done to test insulin sensitivity. HGH was never mentioned or discussed. I just noticed the relationship when I looked at the computer read out. I still have it but I'm too lazy to did it out and I don't have a scanner anyway.

[aliamini]

Na man … I dont look like shit ... I look exactly like I wanna look … like a regular guy who works out with 19” guns  …  I don’t have any problem in saying who I am or how I look … so unlike other … I don’t have insecurity issues …

I can’t be blamed for the corruption that u r talking about … I am new to the scene … as this has been going on for over 40 year and I am not yet 30 … but if bbers were all united … or had an union sort of committee … they could have fixed it or made it better … the corruption was and is not due to the people who got fired or u mentioned … this is just how the system is … y is that … cause bbers (the sole of the federations) allowed that ... cause most of the bbers are back stabbers and 2 face retards … if they unit they can change federations & constitution … but they didn’t … so u blame me for that!!!
Drugs in the sport is inevitable … it doesn’t matter if I or anyone else likes what is happening … it is how it is and no one can change that …I don’t sell the stuff … I recommend brands that I trust … to assure the best shape I get people in … and u blame me for that!!!

 

[asianmyth]

cause most of the bbers are back stabbers and 2 face retards … if they unit they can change federations & constitution … but they didn’t … so u blame me for that!!!

[/quote]

watch ur mouth ali If u wanna stay in buisness.last time i checked u had issues with Rat(chua).

[aliamini]

cause most of the bbers are back stabbers and 2 face retards … if they unit they can change federations & constitution … but they didn’t … so u blame me for that!!!



watch ur mouth ali If u wanna stay in buisness.last time i checked u had issues with Rat(chua).

yes i did &do ... and i still hate teh buying the medal trade ... but that was done cause bbers allowed that ... and they didnt stand against it ... cause most of them are greedy and want to have the federations good will to participate or place well ... thus loose the moral and core values that a decent person should have

U see bbers talking shit about the federations and then suddenly publish an apology letter … that is cause they aint man enough to back their comments … what do u expect from them … bbers & federations liked what was going on … and people who got screwed were looking for ways to do well too … but never worked on fixing the problem

[Samourai Pizzacat]

YOU are making the claims, YOU need to back them up with references, that's how the scientific community works. Until you can provide references the article has no value whatsoever. It will find a nice place between the rest of the drivel written by other self-proclaimed internet drug gurus.

   

[asianmyth]

yes i did &do ... and i still hate teh buying the medal trade ... but that was done cause bbers allowed that ... and they didnt stand against it ... cause most of them are greedy and want to have the federations good will to participate or place well ... thus loose the moral and core values that a decent person should have

U see bbers talking shit about the federations and then suddenly publish an apology letter … that is cause they aint man enough to back their comments … what do u expect from them … bbers & federations liked what was going on … and people who got screwed were looking for ways to do well too … but never worked on fixing the problem

where is this hate against bbers came from.there are two type of people who talk shit about bber,s one,s who are jealous and feel insecure and other,s bodybuilders themself and bodybuilding officials and people who involve with bodybuilding one way or the other.
u fall in the category who are involve with bodybuilding some how.u trying so hard to get into the industry and investing so much time in studying and writting about bodybuilding and yet u throwing crap on them.
i dont know how far u can go with this attitude.

[aliamini]

i study I don’t hate bbers … I say that what has happened up to now was due to what bbers did or didn’t … they are the propel who make the federations run … so they have to have the power to either let the federation rise of fall … but they all decided to back stab each other and not be one hand cause they acted with greed and didn’t stand for what’s right

I try so hard to get in the industry!!! When … I do what I do … people come to me … I didn’t go to anyone to train him or offer him help … plus I know a lot of people in the industry due to my personal effort … no one helped me to reach where I am … it was all god’s blessing and personal hard work … I like to learn and I excelled in what I do more than most of the people who were in the sport for much longer …

I am not throwing crap at anyone … I am just stating facts … bbers should not allowed what happened to happen again … but it will again and again and again

U people take it to personal and get blinded with ur grudge … so it is up to … if u think properly … u will understand my point of view

[El Diablo Blanco]

Do you have to take IGF if supplementing with HGH?  Or is HGH good enough stand alone?  I'm not talking about taking HGH to turn into Ronnie Coleman, but to be in great shape for a "normal" guy.

[aliamini]

No … GH alone does the job and u will get all the benefits of the various growth factors … u just have to get the dosage, time and way of usage right … once u get that protocol in place u will be just fine … even for an elite or top level bber

[Van_Bilderass]

Y is 3-4iu of GH at a time … ask a pharmacologists who has been in the business for a while and he will tell u

Ur not arguing with me about my opinions or recommendations … u all argue about how the medical community agrees on how body works after all their work

You are full of shit. If an endocrinologist says that he bases it on a hunch, not on the way the body works or any scientific studies. Palumbo, who is also a very "scientific" guy in the same vein as you, says you should never do more than 2iu at a time as that is the max the body will be able to use. Which one of you is right? The answer is that you are both pulling numbers and "science" out of your ass. Milos says the scientific way to use GH is to use it in the morning and avoid bedtime shots. Your scientific way is to use it morning and night. Funny how science agrees with all you guys. 

You saying that the "medical community" agrees with what you say is laughable. Yes, the doctors writing scripts for Serostim and advice their HIV+ patients to shoot 16iu in a single shot sure agree with you.  You might say bodybuilders aren't HIV+ and shouldn't follow their protocols... well, that's exactly the point! There's no data on healthy people using GH for body recomposition purposes, especially not comparing different protocols - whether GH works best in divided doses, or in a single dose, or even an every other day schedule. Or why not a single weekly or even a single monthly monster dose? Yes, there are gurus on the net saying this would be the "scientific" way to use it. They are pulling science out of their ass just like you and the multitude of gurus in this community.

I have no problem with anecdotal reports. It's the way you frame your "knowledge" that's stupid.

[aliamini]

Ur really full of shit in a funny way … u r the guy who doesn’t know much but yet question everything like u know more than god … that is really dramatic …

U don’t know much … we agree with u … but u think u know everything but don’t mentions it is what we disagree

Who prescribes 16iu at once with a HIV+ patients??? Dave says 2iu and I say 4 … each one of us has his view plus I will tell u why the medical & pharma community agrees with us … the 16 iu pens were not designed to be shot at once … that is y they are good for 2 weeks after the 1st use …

The GH use to be at doses of 2iu and 4 iu only … either powder or premixed vials at 2-4iu … now if u ask people who actually know what they are doing (and by that I don’t mean the ur respected doctor who prescribed 16iu GH in one shot) y was it set at 2-4iu … u will know that the optimal dose is what I said

But then again … u won’t be convinced right … cause ur not sure … but u just cant get along with whatever I say … I said it before and I will say it again “Don’t hate THE GAME if u r a bad player”

[YoungBlood]

Just more of a pissing match going on...

...if someone is called out, as aliamini has been by Van_Bilderass, then aliamini should cite a few references on just 1-2 points. Have an actual discourse rather than attacking.

Aliamini things Van is trying to antagonize him, which I don't think is the case. Van, tbombz and the others just want to see good honest info posted and nobody get hurt in the process.
Then when aliamini doesn't answer the question(s) that Van and others post, it seems as if Aliamini is just running and/or spouting from his ass. Then repeat the cycle two or three times and you have a pissing match right before your eyes.

I think guys do come here to learn, however, when they see bullshit-no matter what it may be- they call the person out. A trait that separates GetBig from all the other boards. We also have our other traits too...but people just want to see information be somewhat truthful.

[Van_Bilderass]

Who prescribes 16iu at once with a HIV+ patients???  … the 16 iu pens were not designed to be shot at once …

You're an out and out retard! Do you want to take back this post?

[Van_Bilderass]

Here you go you fucking retard

How do I take Serostimฎ?
Serostimฎ is injected under the skin each day, usually at bedtime.2 This type of
injection is simpler and less penetrating than injections that are given directly to
the muscle or a vein.
Depending on your weight, your doctor will prescribe one of three dose strengths
for you: 4 mg, 5 mg, or 6 mg.

http://www.serostim.com/assets/base/Serostim/pfd/PatientBrochureMarch21st2006FINAL.pdf

Since 1mg is 3iu, the doctor will prescribe either 12, 15 or 18iu shot in a single injection at bedtime!

If you didn't know this you obviously have done ZERO research on GH! How can you miss the HIV+ data?!

Please call Serono and tell them their product wasn't designed to be used at these dosages.  

Reconstituted solution has to be used immediately.

...if someone is called out, as aliamini has been by Van_Bilderass, then aliamini should cite a few references on just 1-2 points. Have an actual discourse rather than attacking.

Or better yet, just drop the science angle. He is simply experimenting with drugs, not taking drugs "according to science and the whole medical community". He just can't see the point I'm making. It's not science!

[tbombz]

 


everything about his whole interview, besides the basic idea that gh deverts food from fat and into muscle, is all just as made up and bullshit as the 3-4 iu claim.

timing- doesnt matter

doseage- more the better

frequency- no need for more than 1 or 2..  but wouldnt hurt to increase either.. (metabolic effects oif gh last about 24 hours so multiple daily dosing isnt really needed)

use with insulin- use the gh whever youd like, and choose an insulin timing based off whatever you feel would be best..most like post workout and first thing in the morning since this is when youll be most sensitive to it

most potent growth factor-cant say for sure but at the moment it looks like intramuscle igf+mgf probably the reason




like van said your definitely not basing anything off of science, as you loike to claim you are

[aliamini]

Great guys … to Van can sue 16iu per day at once (not that I am saying u r HIV+) and Tbombz can use as much as he want (the more the better) anytime he wants … frequency- no need for more than 1 or 2 (1 or 2 what) who cares just use as much as u get any time any way

See … we can all get together and be friends   


got 2 give it to u ... u guys always put a smile on my face ...

[tbombz]

Great guys … to Van can sue 16iu per day at once (not that I am saying u r HIV+) and Tbombz can use as much as he want (the more the better) anytime he wants … frequency- no need for more than 1 or 2 (1 or 2 what) who cares just use as much as u get any time any way

See … we can all get together and be friends   


got 2 give it to u ... u guys always put a smile on my face ...

as strong as testosterone for stimulating protein synthesis?  aliamini  all the research on gh shows that for healthy adult males it makes no impact on musclke growth, is slightly lipolytic, and actually has the potential to reduce muscle strength and performance via reducing muscle and liver capacity to produce glycogen, and shifting muscle fiber type in the opposite direction.

[lvtolft]

as strong as testosterone for stimulating protein synthesis?  aliamini  all the research on gh shows that for healthy adult males it makes no impact on musclke growth, is slightly lipolytic, and actually has the potential to reduce muscle strength and performance via reducing muscle and liver capacity to produce glycogen, and shifting muscle fiber type in the opposite direction.

You strike me as the type of person that reads a few articles, starts to use some big words and then thinks you have all of the steroid knowledge in the world.
How old are you?  How long have you been researching steroids and anabolic compounds?
Your posts are hilarious though.  Keep it up!

[lvtolft]

as strong as testosterone for stimulating protein synthesis?  aliamini  all the research on gh shows that for healthy adult males it makes no impact on musclke growth, is slightly lipolytic, and actually has the potential to reduce muscle strength and performance via reducing muscle and liver capacity to produce glycogen, and shifting muscle fiber type in the opposite direction.

You strike me as the type of person that reads a few articles, starts to use some big words and then thinks you have all of the steroid knowledge in the world.
How old are you?  How long have you been researching steroids and anabolic compounds?
Your posts are hilarious though.  Keep it up!

[Van_Bilderass]

Great guys … to Van can sue 16iu per day at once

You just don't get it. That is not what I'm advocating. I'm saying your recommendations and reasonings aren't "accepted by the medical community". You simply will not find any consensus in the medical community where everyone says GH works best when the dosage is split up or that it has to be injected when BG and insulin is low to reap the benefits. I have not seen any data where it's even proposed GH maybe should be injected in essentially a fasted state for it to "work" for anything. Now I haven't read everything which is why I've asked you to back up your theories with data I've perhaps missed, but now I see it's useless to ask and I'm pretty sure it's because you don't have any data.

I actually believe the main reason for Serono to seek approval for such dosages is money. It's an expensive product and the more the patients use the more money Serono makes. In fact, at no dosage has it been shown to increase actual skeletal muscle protein i.e. muscle. Lean body mass, yes. Which is to say the patients retain water and organ weight increases.