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Author Topic: Olympia: Match-ups. Kai vs. Jay, Vic vs. Heath vs. Dex... then Wolf  (Read 6373 times)
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« on: September 08, 2009, 09:41:59 AM »

As Chick has said previously, it's all about match-ups.  

Kai and Jay- If Kai doesn't win, I'd like Jay to win but in all honesty, What does Jay have over Kai?

Conditioning-Kai
FDB- Jay
Lat spread - Kai
Side Chest - Kai
Ab and thigh - Kai
BDB - Kai
Back lat spread - Jay
Side Tricep - tie

BTW you can say both are fridges...


Then you have Heath and Vic...If Vic can make the first callout, this will be a key matchup because they are so similar in size and structure

Conditioning - Heath
FDB - Vic
lat spread - Vic
Side Chest - Vic
Back double bicep - tie
Abs and Thigh - Tie
Back lat spread - Vic
Side Tricep- Heath

It looks odd that Vic wins so many and yet I don't have him in the first callout only because of his conditioning.

if you throw Dex in that confuses things.

Conditioning - Dex and Heath
FDB - Dex
Side Chest - Vic
BDB - three way tie
Abs and Thigh - Dex
Back lat spread - Vic
Lat spread - Vic
Side Tricep - Heath

Throw in Wolf and Freeman only problem is we don't know what Wolf will look like as it has been a year since his last show and he wasn't at his best.  I'm gonna say that he beats Freeman as time is on his side and he is improving and Freeman isn't.

You have some oddballs like Melvin and Branch and don't forget about Silvio and Troy Alves.

Overall a very exciting show.  However it goes people are going to be upset.  I just hope it's judged fairly.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2009, 09:45:26 AM »

  I just hope it's judged fairly.

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2009, 11:58:07 AM »

As Chick has said previously, it's all about match-ups. 

Kai and Jay- If Kai doesn't win, I'd like Jay to win but in all honesty, What does Jay have over Kai?

Conditioning-Kai
FDB- Jay
Lat spread - Kai
Side Chest - Kai
Ab and thigh - Kai
BDB - Kai
Back lat spread - Jay

BTW you can say both are fridges...


Then you have Heath and Vic...If Vic can make the first callout, this will be a key matchup because they are so similar in size and structure

Conditioning - Heath
FDB - Vic
lat spread - Vic
Side Chest - Vic
Back double bicep - tie
Abs and Thigh - Tie
Back lat spread - Vic

It looks odd that Vic wins so many and yet I don't have him in the first callout only because of his conditioning.

if you throw Dex in that confuses things.

Conditioning - Dex and Heath
FDB - Dex
Side Chest - Vic
BDB - three way tie
Abs and Thigh - Dex
Back lat spread - Vic
Lat spread - Vic

Throw in Wolf and Freeman only problem is we don't know what Wolf will look like as it has been a year since his last show and he wasn't at his best.  I'm gonna say that he beats Freeman as time is on his side and he is improving and Freeman isn't.

You have some oddballs like Melvin and Branch and don't forget about Silvio and Troy Alves.

Overall a very exciting show.  However it goes people are going to be upset.  I just hope it's judged fairly.
Freeman is not improving? hahahaha
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 01:16:15 PM »

jesus christ ...do you guys know anything about BB ? hahahahahah they are making the trophies and medals as we speak...
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2009, 01:21:17 PM »

jesus christ ...do you guys know anything about BB ? hahahahahah they are making the trophies and medals as we speak...

Let us live in our fantasy land Angry
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2009, 02:03:53 PM »

X beats them all
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2009, 02:04:34 PM »

X beats them all

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2009, 02:57:41 PM »

X beats them all

Any one of the top 6 could take it this year. P.S. My top 6 is Wolf, Toney, Kai, Jay, Heath, Dex. No particular order.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 03:41:32 PM »

 

Kai and Jay- If Kai doesn't win, I'd like Jay to win but in all honesty, What does Jay have over Kai?



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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 04:09:26 PM »

omg..rofl..

if you have anyone in front of Dex for FDB then you are on drugs...

the FDB is what wins Dex the Mr.O.

no one is even close to his FDB...in fact,  no one has ever had a FDB as good.

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2009, 05:30:45 PM »

omg..rofl..

if you have anyone in front of Dex for FDB then you are on drugs...

the FDB is what wins Dex the Mr.O.

no one is even close to his FDB...in fact,  no one has ever had a FDB as good.


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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2009, 05:38:52 PM »

As Chick has said previously, it's all about match-ups.  

Kai and Jay- If Kai doesn't win, I'd like Jay to win but in all honesty, What does Jay have over Kai?

Conditioning-Kai
FDB- Jay
Lat spread - Kai
Side Chest - Kai
Ab and thigh - Kai
BDB - Kai
Back lat spread - Jay
Side Tricep - tie

BTW you can say both are fridges...


Then you have Heath and Vic...If Vic can make the first callout, this will be a key matchup because they are so similar in size and structure

Conditioning - Heath
FDB - Vic
lat spread - Vic
Side Chest - Vic
Back double bicep - tie
Abs and Thigh - Tie
Back lat spread - Vic
Side Tricep- Heath

It looks odd that Vic wins so many and yet I don't have him in the first callout only because of his conditioning.

if you throw Dex in that confuses things.

Conditioning - Dex and Heath
FDB - Dex
Side Chest - Vic
BDB - three way tie
Abs and Thigh - Dex
Back lat spread - Vic
Lat spread - Vic
Side Tricep - Heath

Throw in Wolf and Freeman only problem is we don't know what Wolf will look like as it has been a year since his last show and he wasn't at his best.  I'm gonna say that he beats Freeman as time is on his side and he is improving and Freeman isn't.

You have some oddballs like Melvin and Branch and don't forget about Silvio and Troy Alves.

Overall a very exciting show.  However it goes people are going to be upset.  I just hope it's judged fairly.

Sounds spot on! I hope Vic and Wolf do not disappoint and it will be an amazing show.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2009, 06:07:33 PM »

I just hope it's judged fairly.

hahaha oh brother, you should know better than that by now wiggs.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 10:33:25 PM »

hahaha oh brother, you should know better than that by now wiggs.
LOL, thats how they get em every freakin year  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 10:35:46 PM »

Wolffff and Freeman are the only two worthy of the title ..x frames = perfection
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 02:03:27 AM »

FUCKIN'-A, SMART THREAD, WIGGS!  Somebody actually engaging in bb discussion instead of schmoe-busting, LOL...

Here's my take on said match-ups:

Jay has looked VERY good leading up to this Olympia compared to years past, I dare say he's trying to recapture his 2001 condition.  Let's give him benefit of the doubt and say he does.  (A stretch, I know, but hey, we're speculating, right?  Well, then, let's speculate.)

If Jay shows up AT HIS BEST @ 260 lbs vs Kai @ 260 lbs (assuming he's in ASC form, if not better...)

Muscularity - Jay
Conditioning - Kai
Symmetry - Jay
Front Double Bi - Jay
Front Lat Spread - Kai
Side Chest - Jay
Side Tri - Jay
Rear Lat Spread - Kai (Can't believe you gave this one to Jay!)
Back Double Bi - Kai
Ab n' Thigh - Jay

IF JAY IS NOT AT HIS BEST, HOWEVER.....THEN IT'S KAI IN A LANDSLIDE.



Heath vs. Vic . . . Heath in a shutout, imho.  Not even close. 



Dex vs Heath...

Muscularity - Dex for muscle hardness and density, if less total hanging muscle than Heath per sq. in.
Conditioning - Dex
Symmetry - Heath
FDB - Heath
FLS - Dex
SC - Tie
ST - Heath
RLS - Dex
BDB - Heath
AnT - Dex

DEAD EVEN, IMHO...



AND IF THE WOLF GETS IN THOSE COMPARISONS . . . HOOOWEEE ITTA BE A BATTLE!



The only thing that Kai has over Jay is conditioning NOTHING more.

Victor Has Phil on the width Department NOTHING more.

Dexter Has Phil on the Back thickness NOTHING more.

Phil has them ALL in every single body part & condition wise.

My top 5 are:

1-Phil (will be the most improved and conditioned guy of the show)

2-Victor (if he duplicates his 07 Mr. O look)

3-Jay ( may fall in second if he succeeds his best showing Mr. O 01)

4-Dexter ( I donít expect any major improvement. However, I have a feeling that he will scarify his condition by some added pounds)

5-Kai (IMHO he is so overrated, the man looks good only from the back and he has good quads too NOTHING more)

6-WOLF ( I expect to see great improvements on his physique)


Cannot wait more for one of the best if not the best Olympia ever
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2009, 02:27:24 AM »

If this thing wasn't corrupt Wolf would win. Heath - too narrow. Dex - too small. Jay - huge waist. Kai, Vic and Wolf are top 3 in a fair world.

Corrupt in many shows but Vic can't beat Heath anymore, now he has a few weaknesses that outweigh anything Heath brings. Wolf unless greatly improved doesn't approach Heath or Kai.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 03:21:40 AM »

Phil can't beat victor... And victor aint going to win. If phil wins it's another rigged winner. Bullshit olympia. Make a new federation, bring back the mr universe
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2009, 03:41:36 AM »

Whichever way you cut it, you can't deny the fact that this is the strongest top seven line-up in Mr O history. Trying to predict the first call-outs is impossible IMO. There's about three or four guys who could realistically win it.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2009, 04:34:48 PM »


That is highly arguable.  Heath's arms crush Dex's, everything else they are even from the front save abs.  Dex has better abs.     

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2009, 05:43:30 AM »

As I said on another board, IMO this "O" has some really good hype about it.There will be a top 6 dark horse this year that no one is expecting...my pick... Mo Elmosouwi (sp). He will surprise alot this yr.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2009, 08:33:25 PM »

So   you sit thinking of toplesss men in thongs? Grin
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2009, 06:38:01 AM »

Dexter's arms are better from the front IMO.

Victor will be right up there I think, I just wish his calves weren't fake!
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2009, 12:49:46 PM »

Mo is a good bodybuilder, but no way in hell does he make the top six with a line up this deep.  Unless a bunch of guys show up looking like shit, he'll be lucky if he's in the top 10.

I think alnassak's Top 6 looks pretty good, although I could see Freeman getting in there somewhere.  Unless Wolf makes major improvements to his arms and lower lats, I think Tony's physique is more complete. 

Phil's only downfall will be his narrow structure.  I think if Vic's leg is up to par and he can match or improve conditioning of '07, he could take it. 

I know everyone talks about the 80's and early 90's as being bbing's best years, but we have quite a few legitimate contenders now and imo its just as exciting this year and I believe it will only get better in the next couple of years.  Its going to be close for awhile...that is of course if Ronnie's time off allows him to heal the pinched nerve that was affecting his left side and he comes into the 2010 Olympia and just shits on everybody.  A healthy Ronnie means everybody else is fighting for 2nd.  Cool


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