Conservatives-why do YOU think Conservative media lied about teabagger numbers?

[Dos Equis]

Obviously you don`t know too much about John Adams and his view of the Natural Aristocracy of men and how he and Jefferson discussed it at length.


Hope this helps.



http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s62.html

No, it doesn't help.  I don't care what John Adams thought two centuries ago about this subject.  I was asking about whether YOU believe you're smarter than most everyone you meet and whether YOU believe most of your fellow citizens are stupid. 

[240 is Back]

You're just pissed because your boy's approval ratings are below 50%. Get over it and just accept the fact we told you so.

53% by gallup, a bit below 50 on some of the newer polls.

I gotat say, for 9 months of total lib moves, having HALF the nation still say "Obama rocks!" and approving him... repubs should be scared!  Obama SHULD be at 30% approval right now.  He's alienated all the moderates with him moves - but half of them still dig him.

[The True Adonis]

TA.....ur in the minority...ur supposed intellectual superiority is all in ur delusional fantasies. U can't make a single argument without some bullshit cut and paste job. Guys like straw, Hugo and Decker easily hold their own and make thier points without capitalizing some wiki article. When called out u disappear, all the while feverishly looking up data to support ur position. Obama is failing and ur worried about the exact count at a march against ur douchebag messiah. Barry's numbers after the speech are the back to what they just were before. He lost his magical feel good enema campaign speeches. Ur dimwit country want facts, Barry doesn't have em. And while he's worried about shit canning America...we're loosing ground in Latin America and Afghanistan. He's a looser, his own party won't back him in Afghanistan, and if he really wants to stay, he has to deal with his only support...Republicans. His admin is a joke. Hil is eyeing a run for Gov in New York...and this is a Clinton...she'll do what she can to undermine Ol Barry as she goes. But u keep worrying about Fox news.


Oh look another cut and paste job...neither did u before u cut this......ur a fucking joke.

Oh I see,
Because quoting Thomas Jefferson and John Adams is somehow disingenuous to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

I am truly sorry you do not value first hand sources, direct evidence and undeniable fact.  I find it amusing that you`d rather have me make something up rather than depict accurately whatever the discussion entails.

Your rose colored glasses are so thick, that you cannot discern when a fact is relevant to the argument, let alone whatever opinions I hold. (and I do of course hold a plethora of them)

I apologize if I don`t know how to lower myself to "stupid" in order for you to understand.

[The True Adonis]

No, it doesn't help.  I don't care what John Adams thought two centuries ago about this subject.  I was asking about whether YOU believe you're smarter than most everyone you meet and whether YOU believe most of your fellow citizens are stupid.  

I do and yes, the majority is by far below my level of intelligence.

[headhuntersix]

Wow..no dipshit....I don't think u undersstand at all. Ur not quoting Adams to back up ur own argument, ur allowing some article to do it for u....as if u and Adams are intellectual equals. U don't add a quote here or there...u cut and paste the whole friggen thing. Ur not intelligent, ur an idiot. Cutting and paste is not debate....my friggen Golden could do that and he doesn't have thumbs. Instead of telling us how smart u are...followed by some article from whatever source came up first in google...try making ur own points....with some original thought. U must have been a plagerism monster in school.

[The True Adonis]

Wow..no dipshit....I don't think u undersstand at all. Ur not quoting Adams to back up ur own argument, ur allowing some article to do it for u....as if u and Adams are intellectual equals. U don't add a quote here or there...u cut and paste the whole friggen thing. Ur not intelligent, ur an idiot. Cutting and paste is not debate....my friggen Golden could do that and he doesn't have thumbs. Instead of telling us how smart u are...followed by some article from whatever source came up first in google...try making ur own points....with some original thought. U must have been a plagerism monster in school.

Uh, those are letters of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.


Are you saying that I must present the ACTUAL physical 200 year old letter and only then it is valid? 

[gcb]

Personally I think this whole thing about lying about millions of people protesting Obama is to make people think there is a false consensus and opposition to Obama. Maybe conservatives are hoping where sheep go other sheep will follow. The bigger the number the more convincing the argument "Why aren't I with these people?"

[The True Adonis]

Wow..no dipshit....I don't think u undersstand at all. Ur not quoting Adams to back up ur own argument, ur allowing some article to do it for u....as if u and Adams are intellectual equals. U don't add a quote here or there...u cut and paste the whole friggen thing. Ur not intelligent, ur an idiot. Cutting and paste is not debate....my friggen Golden could do that and he doesn't have thumbs. Instead of telling us how smart u are...followed by some article from whatever source came up first in google...try making ur own points....with some original thought. U must have been a plagerism monster in school.

Ask me anything you`d like to hear my views on and I will respond.  I usually like to give facts and evidence to show why or how I arrived at my particular stance.

However, you can ask what my favorite Poem is, or movie or song, etc....Ask away.

[headhuntersix]

Uh, those are letters of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.


Are you saying that I must present the ACTUAL physical 200 year old letter and only then it is valid? 

Ur mildly retarded..right!Make ur own argument...not a cut and paste job. Orginal thought...ideas...articu lated clearly. Not an article..and some snarky comment.

TA..I don;t want to date u...I don't care what ur favorite movie is...or poem...ok this gay!

[The True Adonis]

Ur mildly retarded..right!Make ur own argument...not a cut and paste job. Orginal thought...ideas...articu lated clearly. Not an article..and some snarky comment.

TA..I don;t want to date u...I don't care what ur favorite movie is...or poem...ok this gay!

So I have to make an argument that does not contain any facts or evidence or sources and solely based on a gut feeling?

I don`t understand how that is rational in any way whatsoever.

[headhuntersix]

Ah..u cut and paste an article..declare how smart u are and how Adams or Jefferson agree with u...like u matter....and then run away when somebody challenges u. U don't debate the points...u don't defend anything with orginal ideas supported by the article...u just paste another article. As 3 says..u have no life experience to draw upon. Most of the time ur points don't even mesh with the threads.

[The True Adonis]

Ah..u cut and paste an article..declare how smart u are and how Adams or Jefferson agree with u...like u matter....and then run away when somebody challenges u. U don't debate the points...u don't defend anything with orginal ideas supported by the article...u just paste another article. As 3 says..u have no life experience to draw upon. Most of the time ur points don't even mesh with the threads.

I offered you to ask me anything, however I remain just a bit fuzzy on your ground rules of fashioning a fact less and evidence free argument based in amorphous ambiguity.

I am willing to give it a whirl and wish for you to ask me what you will to your hearts content.

[The True Adonis]

Ah..u cut and paste an article..declare how smart u are and how Adams or Jefferson agree with u...like u matter....and then run away when somebody challenges u. U don't debate the points...u don't defend anything with orginal ideas supported by the article...u just paste another article. As 3 says..u have no life experience to draw upon. Most of the time ur points don't even mesh with the threads.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but the only thing that constitutes "life-experience" is being alive.  Everyone`s "experience" is never the same and will vary greatly even if it be short with a young death or long with aged life.  The whole premise is therefore even undefinable, yet you pretend to know the entire perimeter when no such boundary could ever exist.

[Kazan]

TA, your the reason I don't like liberals. You "think" you are smarter than everyone else, when in reality all you can do is regurgitate what someone else thought/wrote. Then have the audacity to call free thinking people  stupid.
Personally you make me want to vomit you pseudo intellectual piece of crap.

[The True Adonis]

TA, your the reason I don't like liberals. You "think" you are smarter than everyone else, when in reality all you can do is regurgitate what someone else thought/wrote. Then have the audacity to call free thinking people  stupid.
Personally you make me want to vomit you pseudo intellectual piece of crap.

What do you make of my previous post and how it relates to your untrue contention?

[Coach is Back!]

I couldn`t care less what any rating reads as I do believe the majority of Americans are mentally inept.  Most even believe in an imaginary sky-god who has a zombie son that holds the key to survival once you are dead.  I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.

Was that your David Axelrod imitation?

[Coach is Back!]

53% by gallup, a bit below 50 on some of the newer polls.

I gotat say, for 9 months of total lib moves, having HALF the nation still say "Obama rocks!" and approving him... repubs should be scared!  Obama SHULD be at 30% approval right now.  He's alienated all the moderates with him moves - but half of them still dig him.

Ok, fine. He had the quickest approval rating drop in the history of the presidency, he started high (as expected) but has been steadly dropping every since with no rebound in sight as of now.

[The Luke]

Actually fox reported 10's of thousands

So why is it do you think you lied?

Orly.

...now this, ladies and gentlemen, is what scientists define as a "PWNING EVENT"!

tonymctones, go sit in the corner... you have been PWN3D.



The rest of this thread is equally hilarious... TA brutalising delusional right-wingers by contrasting their FOX News manufactured worldview with actual reality.

Obama's approval rating is still above 50%... despite the bailout; despite the recession/depression; despite 17% unemployment; despite the trillion dollar deficit... and most importantly, despite the very best efforts of the corporate bought-and-paid-for right wing mainstream media.

50% approval rating... despite being smeared with everything the right could ever possibly throw at him.


So even if they held another election tomorrow, Obama would still win.


And recent polls show 80% of doctors support healthcare reform, alongside 77% of regular Americans.

What if those 77% of Americans marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 230 million people fill?

What if just the uninsured marched FOR healthcare reform? How many streets would 50 million people fill?



Face facts people... the GOP is finished... the Christian right is finished... all this noise is just the death throws of fear-bases resentment politics.

You will all have to accept reality eventually.


The Luke

[Coach is Back!]

I couldn`t care less what any rating reads as I do believe the majority of Americans are mentally inept.  Most even believe in an imaginary sky-god who has a zombie son that holds the key to survival once you are dead.  I have little faith in the common collective mind of America at any given time and look upon my fellow countrymen as mere dimwits for the most part.


Hope this helps.

In order for his rating to drop so dramatically, the people who originally voted for him have to be included in that drop. So first when they voted for him they were right, now all of the sudden they're inept? They all can't be wrong!

[240 is Back]

Ok, fine. He had the quickest approval rating drop in the history of the presidency, he started high (as expected) but has been steadly dropping every since with no rebound in sight as of now.

He's still at 50.  I mean, really... half of america loves the guy still.  What does he have to do to drop below 50%?  LOL...

Repubs shuld be WAy ahead right now.  If Obama goes moderate, declares win in afghanistan, kills bin laden, or gets an economic recovery (or something else we cannot predict), he'll move up.  I mean, imagine bin laden's dead body on the front page of the NY Times, with Obama detailing how his rampup in Afghan troops was the cause.  You know he'd jump 10 points overnight.

[George Whorewell]

 

Dude Bin Laden is probably dead already or if he's not Obama and his half ass tactics and unwillingness to go the extra mile like the Bush Admin did to get information ensure that he wont capture or kill him.

You have a poll @ 50% now... That does not mean that 50% love him at all. It means that 25% of that 50% is willing to give Obama some more time to prove himself.

If 8 months in, he only has a 50% approval rating, the war in Afghanistan is disaster, the economy is still shit, he has gone on a tax and spend rampage that most if not all of the independents that elected him detest, and the debate on healthcare makes him look less credible by the nanosecond and you have a recipe for disaster. And, the cherry on top is the fact that Congressional democrats ( you know, the ones that really control Obama) are almost certainly on the brink of losing control of both houses during the next election cycle. As I have been saying for months, he needs to toss a no-hitter from here on out. It's never been done before, but maybe the messiah will prove me wrong

Oh and PS- this acorn mess ( 7 Congressional democrats voted to continue giving Acorn tax payer money versus everyone in both parties voting no) does not make Obama or the democratic party look good at all.

[Coach is Back!]

He's still at 50.  I mean, really... half of america loves the guy still.  What does he have to do to drop below 50%?  LOL...

Repubs shuld be WAy ahead right now.  If Obama goes moderate, declares win in afghanistan, kills bin laden, or gets an economic recovery (or something else we cannot predict), he'll move up.  I mean, imagine bin laden's dead body on the front page of the NY Times, with Obama detailing how his rampup in Afghan troops was the cause.  You know he'd jump 10 points overnight.

You do realize that 50% is horrible don't you?

[240 is Back]

You do realize that 50% is horrible don't you?

Bush was just below 50 for the 2004 election, and won.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

Sure it sucks, but maybe he's unloading all the lib shit in year 1 before going moderate.

Im' not saying I agree with much of what he's doing.  Only that he's still way higher than he should be.

[240 is Back]

You do realize that 50% is horrible don't you?

Actually, it looks like Bush as at 50 for at least half of his presidency.   It's not a popularity contest.  You have to do unpopular shit to make changes.  it's gonna alienate people, ever move you make.

[tonymctones]

LOL TA ive shown you for a fool numerous times and even you cant deny that...

to think you think your smarter then most is extremely laughable education doesnt create intelligence TA even though youre educated your a moron and of average intelligence at best.