Random Question (Hardness)

[Arnold jr]

Assuming you're not in contest shape...still in decent shape, just not contest shape...and you had one wk to get as hard as you can get in that time frame, what would you do? Assume all options are available to you.

I have some ideas but would like to hear what some of you think.

[tbombz]

cut out all estrogen, cut out all fat besides some fish oil, lower carbs down to 100-200grams, throw in a large dose of t3,  cardio in the a.m. before eating. cardio after lifting. cardio again at night before my last meal.  protein 1.5grams per lb lean body mass. 

[Arnold jr]

cut out all estrogen, cut out all fat besides some fish oil, lower carbs down to 100-200grams, throw in a large dose of t3,  cardio in the a.m. before eating. cardio after lifting. cardio again at night before my last meal.  protein 1.5grams per lb lean body mass. 

I agree...I was thinking about a fairly large dose of t-3 for a wk. I'm not really trying to lose a bunch of fat in a wk...after all, it's not like you can lose a ton of fat in only one wk. Just want/need to be as hard as I can be with where I'm at right now.

I'd say right now I'm at what I would call "medium" lean for myself...not in too bad of shape, not contest ready by any means but in decent shape. Winny has always helped harden me up in the past when I've been very lean and was thinking about running a high end dose of that for the next wk but I don't know if it would make that much of a difference in such a short time and I don't know if I'm lean enough for it to even if it could make that much difference in one wk...what do you guys think?

[tbombz]

yeah mega dosed winny i found to be great for fat loss and hardening.

you might consider doing 50-100 grams carbs mid week then bumping up carbs to 200-300 for a day or two(maybe add a few ius of humalog on these days) then going down to 0-50g with a little extra fat and zero water on the day you want to be hard...

[Arnold jr]

yeah mega dosed winny i found to be great for fat loss and hardening.

you might consider doing 50-100 grams carbs mid week then bumping up carbs to 200-300 for a day or two(maybe add a few ius of humalog on these days) then going down to 0-50g with a little extra fat and zero water on the day you want to be hard...

I'll probably do 2 days straight of the 0-5g of carbs at the end of the wk. It usually takes me 2 full days to reach that sort of point that this can bring out.

The humalog, probably not, I've never messed with it...and don't want to experiment with this little quest...don't want to take the chance of screwing anything up.

I definitely want to be slightly full at the end of the wk, no need to get too crazy with it, the hardness is the main key. I'll probably use the dbol to my advantage in this instance...would rather it be anadrol for this just because I know it will work for what I need and I know the dose I'd need, but anadrol is one thing I do not have on hand for this little endeavor.

[Luv2Hurt]

You may consider watching your sodium intake also.

[clued-up]

I'll probably use the dbol to my advantage in this instance...

d-bol + winstrol.. full and hard?

[WillGrant]

Cialis ..oh no hold on

[Arnold jr]

d-bol + winstrol.. full and hard?

A lot of guys use dbol or anadrol to fill out a little bit and they're still hard...pretty common practice for a lot of people before a show.

You may consider watching your sodium intake also.

Yes, no doubt.

[tbombz]

i dont think you need to montior sodium intake, as logn as your cutting out all water intake the day you want to be hard and dry. no water+bit of carbs= suck all the subcutaneous water into muscle...and sodium is necessary to store water and carbs as glycogen

[Luolamies]

arbuterol h2no, the otc diuretic by universal. It's insanely strong, i've used it in the past to get rid of some "extra" bloat and it will do it quick.

[Arnold jr]

arbuterol h2no, the otc diuretic by universal. It's insanely strong, i've used it in the past to get rid of some "extra" bloat and it will do it quick.

Cool, I might give that a try.

I've got some lasix but I've had problems with those in the past

[benchmstr]

drop in some halo.

bench

[Rimbaud]

Cool, I might give that a try.

I've got some lasix but I've had problems with those in the past

If you're going to use it don't cut your sodium intake too drastically.

[Arnold jr]

If you're going to use it don't cut your sodium intake too drastically.

That may have been the problem in the past...I'm not sure.

[Arnold jr]

Things are already looking a little better. It's amazing what an insane ass crushing diet can do when you're pushing the envelope. I'm sure by wks end I'll feel like a giant sack of manure, lol!

Diet plan for the wk:

Monday - Wednesday:

Meal 1: 50g whey isolate, 1/cup oats
Meal 2: Same as meal 1
Meal 3: 6-8oz chicken 1 cup spinach
meal 4: Same as meal 2
Meal 5: 50g whey isolate
Meal 6: 2 cups egg whites

Thursday:
Same as Mon-Wed but drop all carbs
Friday: Meal 1-4 same as Mon-Wed meal 1-4, Meal 5 & 6 add in carbs

Cardio: 90min per day
T-3 200mcg/ed
Winny 150mg/ed
Have been running test/deca/dbol for several wks, may pull test out come Wed, we'll see how things look. Don't really want to pull it out but will if I have to.

Will drop dbol if needed but doubt I'll need to.

Wish I had more time than this, but it is what it is.

[flexingtonsteele]

Things are already looking a little better. It's amazing what an insane ass crushing diet can do when you're pushing the envelope. I'm sure by wks end I'll feel like a giant sack of manure, lol!

Diet plan for the wk:

Monday - Wednesday:

Meal 1: 50g whey isolate, 1/cup oats
Meal 2: Same as meal 1
Meal 3: 6-8oz chicken 1 cup spinach
meal 4: Same as meal 2
Meal 5: 50g whey isolate
Meal 6: 2 cups egg whites

Thursday:
Same as Mon-Wed but drop all carbs
Friday: Meal 1-4 same as Mon-Wed meal 1-4, Meal 5 & 6 add in carbs

Cardio: 90min per day
T-3 200mcg/ed
Winny 150mg/ed
Have been running test/deca/dbol for several wks, may pull test out come Wed, we'll see how things look. Don't really want to pull it out but will if I have to.

Will drop dbol if needed but doubt I'll need to.

Wish I had more time than this, but it is what it is.

just curious, whats the special occasion?

[Arnold jr]

just curious, whats the special occasion?

It's just for a little video thing I'm doing. It's not that big of a deal really and nothing to really get my panties wadded up about...just want to look as good as I can on such short notice.

[Schmoe Buster]

It's just for a little video thing I'm doing. It's not that big of a deal really and nothing to really get my panties wadded up about...just want to look as good as I can on such short notice.

the 150mg of Winstrol you are taking per day, is it oral or injectable?

[clued-up]

Winny 150mg/ed

Alright.. I actually have some winstrol.. And will be using it for the first time (along with d-bol, I’m excited lol) I’ve never used those two aas before.

I’ve been reading a bit about winstrol on the net.. and I’ve come across certain profiles that state its one of the most liver toxic orals. Is that statement off base?

I want to get in better condition, and its crazy.. but I’ve been using 20mg a day for a few days and I’m already leaner and appear harder. I respond well to low dosages)

Anyway I like to use things for a longer period of time.. Say 12+ weeks for the winstrol… or longer still+++.. I was wondering about the liver and winstrol.. Has anyone run it for a longer period? How did you feel?

[Arnold jr]

the 150mg of Winstrol you are taking per day, is it oral or injectable?

I'm drinking the injectable

Alright.. I actually have some winstrol.. And will be using it for the first time (along with d-bol, I’m excited lol) I’ve never used those two aas before.

I’ve been reading a bit about winstrol on the net.. and I’ve come across certain profiles that state its one of the most liver toxic orals. Is that statement off base?

Oral anything will have some toxic value on the liver but I wouldn't call winstrol the most toxic AAS at all by any means...not even close, and even less at the dosage you're running.

I want to get in better condition, and its crazy.. but I’ve been using 20mg a day for a few days and I’m already leaner and appear harder. I respond well to low dosages)

Anyway I like to use things for a longer period of time.. Say 12+ weeks for the winstrol… or longer still+++.. I was wondering about the liver and winstrol.. Has anyone run it for a longer period? How did you feel?

I've ran it for 10wks in the past at 50mg/ed and 100mg/ed the last 2wks. You should be fine at 12wks, again, especially at the dose you're running, which is extremely low...very low. Personally, and I doubt anyone here would disagree, bump it up to 50mg/ed.

[tstmaniac]

i used the little blue 45mg winstrol tabs from ip china...took 90mgs a day for 8 weeks with no issues

[Arnold jr]

For those that care...and I know you all care so much, lol!

My little 1wk venture went well. I wasn't able to make some massive transformation in 1wks time and knew going in that would be impossible, even so I have no complaints.

I will says this, it still amazes me what you can do in such a short time frame if you pull all the stops...no way I could live like that though all the time...I don't think anyone could.

[Tats]

For those that care...and I know you all care so much, lol!

My little 1wk venture went well. I wasn't able to make some massive transformation in 1wks time and knew going in that would be impossible, even so I have no complaints.

I will says this, it still amazes me what you can do in such a short time frame if you pull all the stops...no way I could live like that though all the time...I don't think anyone could.

So what did you end up doing in that weeks time? How much? Just carious......

[Arnold jr]

So what did you end up doing in that weeks time? How much? Just carious......

If you're asking about weight, I never did weigh myself...I haven't weighed myself in probably 2 months. There was just a major noticeable difference in the mirror.

If you're asking about drugs: stayed on my test but dropped the deca dose down and ran 100-150mg or winny/ed along with cutting my dbol dose down from 80mg to 40mg.

Did an ass load of cardio, ended up eating about 80g of carbs the first few days and around 30-40 the last 2 and then a slight carb up the final day before...very slight, around about 180-200g.