Aiman Faour

[alejandro_torres]

kai greene style!

[TechnoViking]

Ill save you the time fool...



IFBB's Code of Ethics

 
  Introduction:

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Chick,

If K.Green's past(questionable behavior) became his present, would he be suspended from the IFBB? To take it one step further...If he was to win the Olympia next week and then decided to demolish a grapefruit on camera/film whatever(you get the drift) Would the IFBB have a problem with that? And if so, on what grounds?

[Chick]

Chick,

If K.Green's past(questionable behavior) became his present, would he be suspended from the IFBB? To take it one step further...If he was to win the Olympia next week and then decided to demolish a grapefruit on camera/film whatever(you get the drift) Would the IFBB have a problem with that? And if so, on what grounds?

Maybe he had scurvvy when he did the grapefruit thing...who knows?  I cant speak for what the IFBB is thinking...but I would be quite shocked if Kai were to do anything he used to do, as he is now making some pretty good coin and is in a different place in his life

[Army of One]

Maybe he had scurvvy when he did the grapefruit thing...who knows?  I cant speak for what the IFBB is thinking...but I would be quite shocked if Kai were to do anything he used to do, as he is now making some pretty good coin and is in a different place in his life

The above quote could be applied to yourself too.

[hugestatus]

Aiman Faour's life off and on stage  

LOL

[BayGBM]

LOL

Were you better off not knowing?  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=242927.0

[timfogarty]

So, lets assume he's gay...in your opinion, he should be thrown out of the club for doing things akin to the gay community?

the original question was

should Kai's past indiscretions affect wether he wins the Olympia even if his physique is the best onstage?

and you replied

the past is the past, and he had a rough childhood

that's what I'm calling B.S. on.  that the difficulties he had as a teen should excuse his escorting in his late 20s and jo videos in his 30s.

but let me give you some insight into 'the gay community'.   Most gays look down at prostitution.    We may understand that there are times in a person's life where one needs to do it to survive.   Its better than being evicted because you're three months late on the rent.  But those that choose it as a career are somewhat ostracized.  

and then what happens if Kai isn't gay?   what's looked down at even more by the gay community is straight boys who escort.  

But now regarding the IFBB, yes I believe that the code of ethics should be enforced.  That both male and female IFBB pros should not be sex workers.  That includes escorting, contact porn, jo videos, muscle worship videos, and probably even these wrestling videos.   Artistic nudes, don't have a problem with.

But then again, I also believe that IFBB pros should be salaried employees.

[bigdumbbell]

the original question was

and you replied

that's what I'm calling B.S. on.  that the difficulties he had as a teen should excuse his escorting in his late 20s and jo videos in his 30s.

but let me give you some insight into 'the gay community'.   Most gays look down at prostitution.    We may understand that there are times in a person's life where one needs to do it to survive.   Its better than being evicted because you're three months late on the rent.  But those that choose it as a career are somewhat ostracized.  

and then what happens if Kai isn't gay?   what's looked down at even more by the gay community is straight boys who escort.  

But now regarding the IFBB, yes I believe that the code of ethics should be enforced.  That both male and female IFBB pros should not be sex workers.  That includes escorting, contact porn, jo videos, muscle worship videos, and probably even these wrestling videos.   Artistic nudes, don't have a problem with.

But then again, I also believe that IFBB pros should be salaried employees.

one person's art is another person's trash.

IFBB pros as salaried employees?  how is that possible?  say the starting salary is $75,000 a year. does it include health insurance? the IFBB would be forced into bankruptcy in the first year.

as for sex workers.  i see nothing immoral about massaging a sex organ with a piece of fruit. as a matter of fact, it might be safer than having contact with another person. i do not look down on prostitution and i've never hired one or compensated one in any manner or form.  nor do i have a problem with wrestling video's, J/O video's, muscle worship video's. as long as it's not pornographic or endangering a child, it's none of my business.   

i've always commented on hair, set design, lighting, costumes etc. 

some of these folks who claim to speak for the gay community are no more a bunch of self appointed moralistic scolds.

i'm ok with Kai Green taking a road less traveled and wish him the best.       ps   he's not my type

[Chick]

The two posts above are both great examples oh how perception/ opinion comes into play...

To answer your initial question, Tim...NO, his past should not be taken into consideration when a PHYSIQUE show is being judged on one thing and one thing only....a physique. 

[gib]

Maybe he had scurvvy when he did the grapefruit thing...who knows? 

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH AHAHA!!!!!!

[BayGBM]

Getting back to Aiman for a moment... what do fans think of his physique?  I think he looked much better back in 2006.  Here he is in 2009.

[dyslexic]

massaging a sex organ with a fruit.

Fruity...

[johnnynoname]

Getting back to Aiman for a moment... what do fans thing of his physique?  I think he looked much better back in 2006.  Here he is in 2009.

he's not very Zane-esque in that pic.  That's all i got

[gib]

Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."  

The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...

I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.

Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).

What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.

Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...

PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.

[emn1964]

Getting back to Aiman for a moment... what do fans thing of his physique?  I think he looked much better back in 2006.  Here he is in 2009.

in a word...awful

[Howard]

The two posts above are both great examples oh how perception/ opinion comes into play...

To answer your initial question, Tim...NO, his past should not be taken into consideration when a PHYSIQUE show is being judged on one thing and one thing only....a physique. 

I agree 100%, since his questionable acts are in the past, what difference does it make now.
The IFBB pro div says he cam compete, so you have to judge the man based ONLY on what he brings to the contests stage, no more , no less.
Kai won 1st at the Arnold , so I think he will be judged fairly at the O.

[Chick]

Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."  

The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...

I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.

Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).

What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.

Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...

PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.

well said

[BayGBM]

Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not." 

The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...

I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.

Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).

What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.

Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...

PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.

If I were you, I would leave the mind reading to the psychics because you obviously have no idea what I’m thinking when I look at BBs on stage; a course in reading comprehension might also do you some good.  As I said previously in this thread, when I look at a “BB show I am not in a sexual frame of mind.”  I am willing and able to get the real thing elsewhere so I don’t have to settle for fantasizing about bodybuilders on stage.  In any case, what I am thinking or not thinking is beside the point. 

The issue here is why is this activity (strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, musclegallery, private posing sessions, etc.) so common in bodybuilding?  Why are so many ostensibly straight BBs peddling themselves to other men in these side venues?

Someone here previously said that “normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.”   The problem with that argument is that a bizarre number of these ‘normal bodybuilding fans’ do not work out.

You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)

Perhaps you can explain to Branch why so many of these people are in the audience and snapping pictures when he is flexing on stage.  Or why so many of them work in the BB industry.  I don't have to name any names; everyone here can cite examples.

My “perverted thoughts” are the least of the problems surrounding this sport.  If I disappeared tomorrow, this circus would still be in effect: your straight/married/w/girlfriend bodybuilders, peddling themselves to other men.  Aiman’s schmoe videws are only the tip of an iceberg in reflecting what happens off stage.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."  

The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...

I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.

Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).

What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.

Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...

PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.

You put a little bit too much thought into all that man

[BayGBM]

You put a little bit too much thought into all that man

You said it--not me.

[Topskin69]

If were you, I would leave the mind reading to the psychics because you obviously, have no idea what I’m thinking when I look at BBs on stage; a course in reading comprehension might also do you some good.  As I said previously in this thread, when I look at a “BB show I am not in a sexual frame of mind.”  I am willing and able to get the real thing elsewhere so I don’t have to settle for fantasizing about bodybuilders on stage.  In any case, what I am thinking or not thinking is beside the point. 

The issue here is why is this activity (strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, musclegallery, private posing sessions, etc.) so common in bodybuilding?  Why are so many ostensibly straight BBs peddling themselves to other men in these side venues?

Someone here previously said that “normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.”   The problem with that argument is that a bizarre number of these ‘normal bodybuilding fans’ do not work out.

Perhaps you can explain to Branch why so many of these people are in the audience and snapping pictures when he is flexing on stage.  Or why so many of them work in the BB industry.  I don't have to name any names; everyone here can cite examples.

My “perverted thoughts” are the least of the problems surrounding this sport.  If I disappeared tomorrow, this circus would still be in effect: your straight/married/w/girlfriend bodybuilders, peddling themselves to other men.  Aiman’s schmoe videws are only the tip of an iceberg in reflecting what happens off stage.

What Bay is saying may not be popular with some, but he brings up valid points nonetheless. While I think we at Getbig too often forget the positive aspects of bodybuilding, and what brought us to this sub-culture to begin with, there is still a lot of bullshit attached, that needs to be addressed. We need to see what, (if anything), can be done to curb the problems that are in our house. This is where Chick fails...he would rather just sweep this under the carpet, and pretend that the IFBB is a magical utopia, where no wrong-doing or problems exist, and it is simply the misconceptions of the "penaut gallery," that he valliently has to shoot down, on a day-to-day basis.

Of course the rest of us know better.... my only suggestion thus far is to blacklist people that do this crap. Not by giving them bullshit placings, but by issuing suspensions. There will still be amature bodybuilders that resort to this crap to make a buck, but it will leave the IFBB out of it, and hopefully restore, (even if by a small margin), some credibility to the orginization.

M!

[Van_Bilderass]

The issue here is why is this activity (strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, musclegallery, private posing sessions, etc.) so common in bodybuilding?  Why are so many ostensibly straight BBs peddling themselves to other men in these side venues?

Sounds like you think you have the answer. So what is it? That most all bodybuilders are gay? Perhaps everyone in general is gay, or at least bisexual?

[Van_Bilderass]

Of course the rest of us know better.... my only suggestion thus far is to blacklist people that do this crap. Not by giving them bullshit placings, but by issuing suspensions. There will still be amature bodybuilders that resort to this crap to make a buck, but it will leave the IFBB out of it, and hopefully restore, (even if by a small margin), some credibility to the orginization.

M!

Wouldn't it be sort of hypocritical to blacklist these moral generates though? When basically the whole bb industry is run by homos and perverts? I mean Weider started out by publishing a overtly homoerotic mag and now the org would ban guys who do homo photography for example.

[kiwiol]

Someone here previously said that “normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.”   The problem with that argument is that a bizarre number of these ‘normal bodybuilding fans’ do not work out.

Same reason why there are fans of soccer who are fat and out of shape and don't play any soccer - they just like watching and living through others. Bodybuilding is a lot harder compared to something like soccer, which can be played at some level by anyone. But you can't look like a bodybuilder unless you've got the genetics and have years and years of lifting under your belt + drugs and all that.

So you don't have to have a ripped 20" arm to be interested in bodybuilding and attend shows to watch contests, anymore than you have to have driven a bike at 150 mph to watch racing or daredevil stunts or whatever. Just because a guy is out of shape doesn't mean that he's a closet homo for being interested in bodybuilding. You have people of all shapes and sizes interested in all kinds of sports and activities, whether it's in the capacity of a contestant or simply a spectator.

Most are simply enjoying a freak show that they don't get to see elsewhere. Some get inspired to get in better shape. Others are gay and get turned on by what they see. And then there are those who simply live through the bodybuilders cause they know they can never look like a pro nor care to put in the amount of time and effort it takes.

[gib]

Perhaps you can explain to Branch why so many of these people are in the audience and snapping pictures when he is flexing on stage.  

Agian - its your gay thoughts that assume all these people snapping pics of bodybuilders are gay.

If you looked at the camera of a normal guy taking pics, the photos would likely be proper, asthetic, tasteful, and artistic physique shots (or at least that's what he would be aiming at capturing). Contrast that to the pics that a gay takes, and it would probably be pics with the lense zoomed on on the crotch or ass. I can assure you, most guys who take pics at contests are taking normal photos, not for gay purposes. The same for guys who take pics at athletics, basketball, baseball, boxing etc - they do it for the love of the sport, and in admiration of what the competitors have achieved - not for sexual proposes.

For you to suggest that the majority of guys watching bodybuilding events are gay (or have gay fantasies) makes about as much sense (and is as offensive) as suggesting that a parent who goes to watch his daughter's ballet performace is there fantasizing about touching all the little girls dancing.

There is one scene from Pumping Iron that stands out to me, which is where Arnold is posing in front of a bunch of hardened criminals. After he is done, one of the black convicts interviewed, clearly in awe of what he has just seen, states about Arnold that "He's got a beautiful body, man". To me, this was an intelligent and tasteful comment, appreciating what Arnold had achieved with his physique. And that's how most people feel when they cheer, admire, support, clap etc at a bodybuilding event.