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Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« on: October 07, 2009, 08:28:14 PM »
Right wing news sites and bloggers are abuzz over an "admission" by Bill Ayers that he ghost-wrote Barack Obama's first book, Dreams From My Father.

The rumors that the former Vietnam War-era radical-turned-pedagogy professor wrote Obama's book have been a favorite of right-wing bloggers since the 2008 election, but a claim by a conservative blogger earlier this week that Ayers admitted writing the book to her has fanned the flames once again.

And indeed Ayers has claimed to have written Dreams From My Father -- twice, in fact, in recent days. But, as many bloggers -- including a few conservative ones -- have pointed out, Ayers was very likely joking.

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/ayers-i-wrote-obamas-book-joke/

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 09:08:55 PM »
Right wing news sites and bloggers are abuzz over an "admission" by Bill Ayers that he ghost-wrote Barack Obama's first book, Dreams From My Father.

The rumors that the former Vietnam War-era radical-turned-pedagogy professor wrote Obama's book have been a favorite of right-wing bloggers since the 2008 election, but a claim by a conservative blogger earlier this week that Ayers admitted writing the book to her has fanned the flames once again.

And indeed Ayers has claimed to have written Dreams From My Father -- twice, in fact, in recent days. But, as many bloggers -- including a few conservative ones -- have pointed out, Ayers was very likely joking.

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/ayers-i-wrote-obamas-book-joke/

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 09:13:14 PM »
If that fucking piece of shit was dying of thirst I wouldn't give him the sweat off my nut sack. That fucker should have been executed 30 years ago for treason.

...explain to us Euro-zoners why Republicans are so quick to brand Ayers a "terrorist"?

I don't get it?



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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 09:17:26 PM »
...explain to us Euro-zoners why Republicans are so quick to brand Ayers a "terrorist"?

I don't get it?



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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 09:18:38 PM »
...explain to us Euro-zoners why Republicans are so quick to brand Ayers a "terrorist"?

I don't get it?



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The Weather Underground or the Weathermen
A bunch of radical fuckheads in the 60's and 70's bombed the pentagon and the state department building killed poice officers.....

And I'm not a republican, I am an independant conservative
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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 09:27:08 PM »
The Weather Underground or the Weathermen
A bunch of radical fuckheads in the 60's and 70's bombed the pentagon and the state department building killed poice officers.....

And I'm not a republican, I am an independant conservative

Did William Ayers bomb or kill anyone himself?


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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 09:31:05 PM »
Did William Ayers bomb or kill anyone himself?


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Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:

"Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[16]"

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2009, 09:32:41 PM »
Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972,

...define "participated".


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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2009, 09:37:21 PM »
...define "participated".


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he co founded the group has appologized for actions he took that hurt ppl...what more does your idiotic ass want luke? seriously

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 09:46:49 PM »
he co founded the group has appologized for actions he took that hurt ppl...what more does your idiotic ass want luke? seriously

...I get what his radicalism was about.

What I don't get is exactly what he did that makes him a "terrorist"?

Best as I can find, he wasn't directly involved in any of the terrorist activities... or was he? Anyone got a link?

I mean if he was just a firebrand member of some fringe group, and other members of this group went as far as terrorism... does that make him guilty by association?


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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2009, 09:51:05 PM »
...I get what his radicalism was about.

What I don't get is exactly what he did that makes him a "terrorist"?

Best as I can find, he wasn't directly involved in any of the terrorist activities... or was he? Anyone got a link?

I mean if he was just a firebrand member of some fringe group, and other members of this group went as far as terrorism... does that make him guilty by association?


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he went as far as terrorism luke the reason he got off was b/c of of the tactics used by the fbi were deemed illegal...i gave you a link if you dont like what that one says go find another one until you fit one that suits your agenda...

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2009, 09:52:31 PM »
"Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs"

does this sound like the statement of a person who wasnt involved or that had no knowledge of these events?

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2009, 09:57:05 PM »
"Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs"

does this sound like the statement of a person who wasnt involved or that had no knowledge of these events?

...so he's a terrorist because he palled around with terrorists?


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 10:02:53 PM »
...so he's a terrorist because he palled around with terrorists?


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LOL no he is a terrorist b/c he planned and help carry out terrorist activities sorry if that is hard for you to process but here in the states if you help someone you dont need to necissarily be the person who pulls the trigger to be guilty...

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 10:30:42 PM »
LOL no he is a terrorist b/c he planned and help carry out terrorist activities sorry if that is hard for you to process but here in the states if you help someone you dont need to necissarily be the person who pulls the trigger to be guilty...

...oh yeah, I read about this guy years ago.

He's the radical guy who couldn't be prosected because the "terorist" group was chock full of FBI and CIA agent provacateurs, right?

He still claims to this day that he was never directly involved in any violence against people, and is probably best described as a reformed politically-motivated vandal.

The trumped up charges were dropped and he never served any jail time.

That guy?


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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 10:37:47 PM »
...oh yeah, I read about this guy years ago.

He's the radical guy who couldn't be prosected because the "terorist" group was chock full of FBI and CIA agent provacateurs, right?

He still claims to this day that he was never directly involved in any violence against people, and is probably best described as a reformed politically-motivated vandal.

The trumped up charges were dropped and he never served any jail time.

That guy?
same guy charges were never trumped up simply info obtained through illegal manner in America if evidence is obtained through illegal manners they are not admissable in court.

he admits to bombing buildings etc...he says he wasnt a terrorist b/c his acts of violence werent random and terrorist violence is...his words bro...

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2009, 10:43:24 PM »
same guy charges were never trumped up simply info obtained through illegal manner in America if evidence is obtained through illegal manners they are not admissable in court.

he admits to bombing buildings etc...he says he wasnt a terrorist b/c his acts of violence werent random and terrorist violence is...his words bro...

...so we're agreed that Ayers himself wasnt involved in anything other than politically motivated vandalism using small bombs, right? And even that might have been incited by undercover CIA or FBI agent provacateurs.

Just want to be clear what we agree on.


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2009, 10:56:44 PM »
...so we're agreed that Ayers himself wasnt involved in anything other than politically motivated vandalism using small bombs, right? And even that might have been incited by undercover CIA or FBI agent provacateurs.

Just want to be clear what we agree on.


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LOL so basically we are in agreeance that ayers is a terrorist then?

b/c from that he is a terrorist

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2009, 11:00:14 PM »
LOL so basically we are in agreeance that ayers is a terrorist then?

b/c from that he is a terrorist

...you've got low standards for terrorism.

If Ayers is a terrorist, then what is Bush? Beelzebub?



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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 04:16:25 AM »
...you've got low standards for terrorism.

If Ayers is a terrorist, then what is Bush? Beelzebub?



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Nice way to derail the thread.  Even Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn is/was a terrorist. 

   

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 04:57:23 AM »
i'd like to see somebody refute Luke's points.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 05:04:12 AM »
i'd like to see somebody refute Luke's points.


Which "points"?

Luke is your Irish twin: rambling, inconsistent, deficient in many areas, and unable to put together a cogent argument on almost any issue.

He wants to argue that the weather underground was not a terrorist org? 

Come on 240 - how stupid is that? 

Is ELF a terrorist org?
Was McVeigh a terrorist? 

 

 

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 05:11:19 AM »
Which "points"?
Luke is your Irish twin: rambling, inconsistent, deficient in many areas, and unable to put together a cogent argument on almost any issue.
He wants to argue that the weather underground was not a terrorist org? 
Come on 240 - how stupid is that? 
Is ELF a terrorist org?
Was McVeigh a terrorist?   

Let's say ACORN was infiltrated by feds who talked a few low-level guys into setting off a bomb.  Is the guy who founded the company a terrorist by association?  If you start a lawn care company, and 3 of your guys rob a bank on their lunch break, are you a bank robber too?

To me, ayers seems like a bag of shite.  But proof of his direct involvement would be nice too.  I never understood why he didn't go to jail.

Please refute Luke's points, and prove what Ayers did.  I'm by no means sympathizing with ayers - I'd just like evidence he is a terrorist.  Thanks.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 05:20:20 AM »
Let's say ACORN was infiltrated by feds who talked a few low-level guys into setting off a bomb.  Is the guy who founded the company a terrorist by association?  If you start a lawn care company, and 3 of your guys rob a bank on their lunch break, are you a bank robber too?

To me, ayers seems like a bag of shite.  But proof of his direct involvement would be nice too.  I never understood why he didn't go to jail.

Please refute Luke's points, and prove what Ayers did.  I'm by no means sympathizing with ayers - I'd just like evidence he is a terrorist.  Thanks.


FROM WIKIPEDIA - IN HER OWN WORDS 240
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Later radical history


A founder of the Weatherman group, Dohrn was a member of the "Weather Bureau" (name later changed to "Central Committee"). Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant who was with the Weatherman from autumn 1969 through spring 1970, considered her one of the two top leaders of the organization, along with Bill Ayers.[12]

During this period, the group organized the October 1969 Days of Rage riot in Chicago, which Dohrn led.[13] During the 1970s, the Weathermen bombed federal buildings and police stations.[14] Prior to the March 6, 1970 Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which three members of the group were killed as a bomb was being constructed, all members of Weatherman went underground. The group then changed its name to Weather Underground.

Dohrn went underground in early 1970, engaging in bombing activities. In a 1994 interview, Dohrn said that while the group carried out some bombings of buildings, it did not target people, and the group's actions were justified as a proper response to violent government actions: "We only did a couple, and they were carefully done. They involved property and were not meant to harm anybody. They were symbolic and done so that everyone would instantly recognize what was being said. It was 'armed propaganda'. Sure, it was violent, and it's hard to justify twenty years later, but it was extremely restrained and a highly appropriate response to the level of violence being rained nationally and internationally".[15]

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 05:29:10 AM »
333386, You have just proven this Dohrn dude belongs in prison. 

Where did he include Ayers?  Also, aside from Dohrn's testimony - what other evidence is there that Ayers' action lead to dead people?

I'm not flaming - I have seen this artgument before on DU, and I honestly can't find a smoking gun of Ayers making or delivering a bomb. Only, "a group he was associated with..."  Hell, I was a boy scout as a kid.  If former boy scout decide to shoplift CDs from Walmart, am I guilty too?

Show us proof of ayers guilt.  thank you.