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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2009, 05:33:12 AM »
333386, You have just proven this Dohrn dude belongs in prison. 

Where did he include Ayers?  Also, aside from Dohrn's testimony - what other evidence is there that Ayers' action lead to dead people?

I'm not flaming - I have seen this artgument before on DU, and I honestly can't find a smoking gun of Ayers making or delivering a bomb. Only, "a group he was associated with..."  Hell, I was a boy scout as a kid.  If former boy scout decide to shoplift CDs from Walmart, am I guilty too?

Show us proof of ayers guilt.  thank you.

Dohn is Ayeres' wife and co-founder of the group!

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2009, 05:35:35 AM »
Dohn is Ayeres' wife and co-founder of the group!

looks bad, to be sure!  I'd like to hear Luke refute this point.

To play devils advocate, my wife got a speeding ticket last week, and I drive like an old lady.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2009, 05:36:11 AM »
looks bad, to be sure!  I'd like to hear Luke refute this point.

To play devils advocate, my wife got a speeding ticket last week, and I drive like an old lady.

Terrible analogy.   

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2009, 05:40:36 AM »
Terrible analogy.   

still, unless she said "hell yea my man helped plan it", it could very well be she was doing the dirt and he was just there for the good tang.

You can't just say the spouse is guilty for every crime his/her partner does.

yes, ayers seems like an un-american piece of crap - I don't want any bitchbags here thinking i'm defending him.

Rather, I would like to see direct proof of his guilt, and some explanation why he isn't in prison today.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2009, 05:40:41 AM »
Radical history

Further information: Weatherman (organization)


Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[9] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang", Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.[7] The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Before the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[7] "During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkerson wrote in 2001. Ayers had previously become a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant, Wilkerson wrote. Robbins would later be killed while making a bomb.[10] In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[7] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.[11] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[12] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[12][13] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast, and in January 1972 it was moved to Chicago police headquarters.[14]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Larry Grathwohl, a Federal Bureau of Investigation informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, stated that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".[15]

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 05:43:26 AM »
Just remember 240 - this was Obama's buddy. 

Remember Obama's quote:  "Judge me by those I surround myself with."

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2009, 05:46:00 AM »
Just remember 240 - this was Obama's buddy. 

Remember Obama's quote:  "Judge me by those I surround myself with."

So because an FBI snitch said Ayers did it, he's guilty?

What other evidence did they have?

Why didn't he go to prison, 33? 

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2009, 05:49:25 AM »
No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
By DINITIA SMITH

Published: Tuesday, September 11, 2001
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.

Today, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, 59, who is director of the Legal Clinic's Children and Family Justice Center of Northwestern University, seem like typical baby boomers, caring for aging parents, suffering the empty-nest syndrome. Their son, Malik, 21, is at the University of California, San Diego; Zayd, 24, teaches at Boston University. They have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin's application for parole was rejected.

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

''I don't think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War,'' he said, and the fact that ''the enduring scar of racism was fully in flower.'' Mr. Ayers pointed to Bob Kerrey, former Democratic Senator from Nebraska, who has admitted leading a raid in 1969 in which Vietnamese women and children were killed. ''He committed an act of terrorism,'' Mr. Ayers said. ''I didn't kill innocent people.''

Mr. Ayers has always been known as a ''rich kid radical.'' His father, Thomas, now 86, was chairman and chief executive officer of Commonwealth Edison of Chicago, chairman of Northwestern University and of the Chicago Symphony. When someone mentions his father's prominence, Mr. Ayers is quick to say that his father did not become wealthy until the son was a teenager. He says that he got some of his interest in social activism from his father. He notes that his father promoted racial equality in Chicago and was acceptable as a mediator to Mayor Richard Daley and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in 1966 when King marched in Cicero, Ill., to protest housing segregation.

All in all, Mr. Ayers had ''a golden childhood,'' he said, though he did have a love affair with explosives. On July 4, he writes, ''my brothers and I loved everything about the wild displays of noise and color, the flares, the surprising candle bombs, but we trembled mostly for the Big Ones, the loud concussions.''

The love affair seems to have continued into adulthood. Even today, he finds ''a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance,'' he writes.

He attended Lake Forest Academy in Lake Forest, Ill., then the University of Michigan but dropped out to join Students for a Democratic Society.

In 1967 he met Ms. Dohrn in Ann Arbor, Mich. She had a law degree from the University of Chicago and was a magnetic speaker who often wore thigh-high boots and miniskirts. In 1969, after the Manson family murders in Beverly Hills, Ms. Dohrn told an S.D.S. audience: ''Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.''

In Chicago recently, Ms. Dohrn said of her remarks: ''It was a joke. We were mocking violence in America. Even in my most inflamed moment I never supported a racist mass murderer.''

Ms. Dohrn, Mr. Ayers and others eventually broke with S.D.S. to form the more radical Weathermen, and in 1969 Ms. Dohrn was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer during the Days of Rage protests against the trial of the Chicago Eight -- antiwar militants accused of conspiracy to incite riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

In 1970 came the town house explosion in Greenwich Village. Ms. Dohrn failed to appear in court in the Days of Rage case, and she and Mr. Ayers went underground, though there were no charges against Mr. Ayers. Later that spring the couple were indicted along with others in Federal Court for crossing state lines to incite a riot during the Days of Rage, and following that for ''conspiracy to bomb police stations and government buildings.'' Those charges were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century.

He also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to ''smash monogamy.'' The Weathermen were ''an army of lovers,'' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend.

''Fugitive Days'' does have moments of self-mockery, for instance when Mr. Ayers describes watching ''Underground,'' Emile De Antonio's 1976 documentary about the Weathermen. He was ''embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way,'' he writes. ''The rigidity and the narcissism.''

In the mid-1970's the Weathermen began quarreling. One faction, including Ms. Boudin, wanted to join the Black Liberation Army. Others, including Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers, favored surrendering. Ms. Boudin and Ms. Dohrn had had an intense friendship but broke apart. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn were purged from the group.

Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers had a son, Zayd, in 1977. After the birth of Malik, in 1980, they decided to surface. Ms. Dohrn pleaded guilty to the original Days of Rage charge, received three years probation and was fined $1,500. The Federal charges against Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn had already been dropped.

Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn tried to persuade Ms. Boudin to surrender because she was pregnant. But she refused, and went on to participate in the Brink's robbery. When she was arrested, Ms. Dohrn and Mr. Ayers volunteered to care for Chesa, then 14 months old, and became his legal guardians.

A few months later Ms. Dohrn was called to testify about the robbery. Ms. Dohrn had not seen Ms. Boudin for a year, she said, and knew nothing of it. Ms. Dohrn was asked to give a handwriting sample, and refused, she said, because the F.B.I. already had one in its possession. ''I felt grand juries were illegal and coercive,'' she said. For refusing to testify, she was jailed for seven months, and she and Mr. Ayers married during a furlough.

Once again, Chesa was without a mother. ''It was one of the hardest things I did,'' said Ms. Dohrn of going to jail.

In the interview, Mr. Ayers called Chesa ''a very damaged kid.'' ''He had real serious emotional problems,'' he said. But after extensive therapy, ''became a brilliant and wonderful human being.'' .

After the couple surfaced, Ms. Dohrn tried to practice law, taking the bar exam in New York. But she was turned down by the Bar Association's character committee because of her political activities.

Ms. Dohrn said she was aware of the contradictions between her radical past and the comforts of her present existence. ''This is where we raised our kids and are taking care of our aging parents,'' she said. ''We could live much more simply, and well we might.''

And as for settling into marriage after efforts to smash monogamy, Ms. Dohrn said, ''You're always trying to balance your understanding of who you are and what you need, and your longing and imaginings of freedom.''

''Happily for me, Billy keeps me laughing, he keeps me growing,'' she said.

Mr. Ayers said he had some of the same conflicts about marriage. ''We have to learn how to be committed,'' he said, ''and hold out the possibility of endless reinventions.''

As Mr. Ayers mellows into middle age, he finds himself thinking about truth and reconciliation, he said. He would like to see a Truth and Reconciliation Commission about Vietnam, he said, like South Africa's. He can imagine Mr. Kerrey and Ms. Boudin taking part.

And if there were another Vietnam, he is asked, would he participate again in the Weathermen bombings?

By way of an answer, Mr. Ayers quoted from ''The Cure at Troy,'' Seamus Heaney's retelling of Sophocles' ''Philoctetes:'' '' 'Human beings suffer,/ They torture one another./ They get hurt and get hard.' ''

He continued to recite:

History says, Don't hope

On this side of the grave.

But then, once in a lifetime

The longed-for tidal wave

Of justice can rise up

And hope and history rhyme.

Thinking back on his life , Mr. Ayers said, ''I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire. And hope and history rhymed.''

Photos: Bill Ayers at a student rally at the University of Michigan in 1968. (United Press International/Bettman, from ''The Way the Wind Blew'' by Ron Jacobs [Verso])(pg. E3); Above, Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, former members of the Weather Underground, a radical Vietnam-era group; inset, Mr. Ayers in a 1970 F.B.I. poster. (Top, Todd Buchanan for The New York Times; inset, Roz Payne Archives)(pg. E1)
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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2009, 05:53:54 AM »
he set off bombs.  yes, he belongs in jail for that.  he is a terrorist by that defitinon.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2009, 05:57:01 AM »
he set off bombs.  yes, he belongs in jail for that.  he is a terrorist by that defitinon.

So you now admit Palin was accurate during the campaign? 

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2009, 06:02:26 AM »
So you now admit Palin was accurate during the campaign?  

yes and no.

Obama used Ayers to secure funding and meet people needed to get his political career going.  Right?  But I dont konw what "palling means"?   Associated - certainly!

"Palling around" - I dont know what that means.  Palin spoke at alaskan separists' meetings, a group of which her hubby was a member for almost a decade.  She gave them a lot of love.

Would you agree she palled around with separists?


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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2009, 06:13:28 AM »
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers

anyone want to defend this ?

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2009, 06:19:08 AM »

Would you agree she palled around with separists?




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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2009, 06:29:59 AM »
Amazing.Ayers wishes he had done more.Admits to setting bombs and the stupid ass left wing jerkoffs say "he isnt a terrorist".Trent Lott they want taken to jail,but bombing is ok.

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2009, 06:33:55 AM »
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers

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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said

Luke, 240,
Do either of you not know what the definition of "I" is ?

Anyone want to defend this ?

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2009, 06:43:37 AM »
Terrorist organizations are political by definition. Being the head of a radical left wing terrorist group that blew up several government buildings makes you a terrorist.

Luke you really should have yourself euthanized. Is assisted suicide legal in Ireland?

If not, I reccomend you drink a gallon of Drano and then lay across a major highway.

Can you developmentally challenged douchebags have one thread without mentioning George Bush?

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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2009, 07:20:56 AM »
Luke, 240,
Do either of you not know what the definition of "I" is ?

Anyone want to defend this ?
LOL i tried already they obviously dont james

i posted one that said "we" but apparently thats not enough either...


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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2009, 07:23:25 AM »
This is completely unbelieveable, how can anyone defend this piece of shit?

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2009, 07:35:55 AM »
still, unless she said "hell yea my man helped plan it", it could very well be she was doing the dirt and he was just there for the good tang.

You can't just say the spouse is guilty for every crime his/her partner does.

yes, ayers seems like an un-american piece of crap - I don't want any bitchbags here thinking i'm defending him.

Rather, I would like to see direct proof of his guilt, and some explanation why he isn't in prison today.
LOL toe that line dousch bag toe that line

youre are defending him and the reason he isnt in prison is b/c the intel obtained to put him in prison was obtained through illegal manners. Does that mean the info wasnt correct? no it means he was a terrorist but b/c the info was thrown out he got away with it...

seriously 240 youre a total dousch i fully expect you to make a mons statement next about our troops.

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2009, 09:20:41 AM »
Once I saw that quote, I readily admitted that dude ayers is a terrorist.  He used bombs to get his political means - terrorist, without a doubt.  333386 proved that.

33 won't answer the Q about Palin palling around with separists ;)



seriously 240 youre a total dousch i fully expect you to make a mons statement next about our troops.

I have no respect for anyone who disrespects our brave troops.  Do not equate me to that shit - read my 5 years of posts - not a SINGLE anti-troop post.  I think everyone here will back me on that.  Don't paint me with that brush dude.

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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2009, 09:25:57 AM »
Once I saw that quote, I readily admitted that dude ayers is a terrorist.  He used bombs to get his political means - terrorist, without a doubt.  333386 proved that.

33 won't answer the Q about Palin palling around with separists ;)



I have no respect for anyone who disrespects our brave troops.  Do not equate me to that shit - read my 5 years of posts - not a SINGLE anti-troop post.  I think everyone here will back me on that.  Don't paint me with that brush dude.
why even bring palin into this other then trying to make some moral equivalency?

LOL you defend this terrorist douche bag is it such a far jump?

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2009, 09:33:22 AM »
why even bring palin into this other then trying to make some moral equivalency?

LOL you defend this terrorist douche bag is it such a far jump?

I didn't defend shit, you non-reading silly child.

I asked what he did - specifically - after Luke said there wasn't that much of a case about him.  333386 clearly showed the man was indeed a terrorist.  Then HE BROUGHT UP PALIN.  Stop being a tool, tony.

i then asked him, since he brought her up - did she pal around with separists.  33 decided to log off then ;)

tony, you're wrong here.  work on those reading skills

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2009, 09:42:02 AM »
Once I saw that quote, I readily admitted that dude ayers is a terrorist.  He used bombs to get his political means - terrorist, without a doubt.  333386 proved that.

33 won't answer the Q about Palin palling around with separists ;)



I have no respect for anyone who disrespects our brave troops.  Do not equate me to that shit - read my 5 years of posts - not a SINGLE anti-troop post.  I think everyone here will back me on that.  Don't paint me with that brush dude.

No she was not palling around with sepaartists.  Thats utter nonsense to compare the two.   

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2009, 09:44:54 AM »
I didn't defend shit, you non-reading silly child.

I asked what he did - specifically - after Luke said there wasn't that much of a case about him.  333386 clearly showed the man was indeed a terrorist.  Then HE BROUGHT UP PALIN.  Stop being a tool, tony.

i then asked him, since he brought her up - did she pal around with separists.  33 decided to log off then ;)

tony, you're wrong here.  work on those reading skills
I had already proved it numb nut 3333 quoted the same link that I posted...

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Re: Bill Ayers having a laugh at wingnuts
« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2009, 09:45:51 AM »
...I get what his radicalism was about.

What I don't get is exactly what he did that makes him a "terrorist"?

Best as I can find, he wasn't directly involved in any of the terrorist activities... or was he? Anyone got a link?

I mean if he was just a firebrand member of some fringe group, and other members of this group went as far as terrorism... does that make him guilty by association?


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