20% claim to be a republican- GOP needs a leader!

[240 is Back]

Nationwide - 20% claim to be a republican. And 19% of americans would like to see repubs in congress.   And 49% have confidence in Obama.

I didn't catch how many claim to be dems.  probably not high, but certainly not that low.

GOP, please, pick a leader already!  You keep on saying "we don't need a leader!" but your top 3 voices are a quitter governor, a drug-addled radio host, and now a guy who cries on his new talk show.  Every other repub is a distance 12th place.



20% claim to be a republican- WashPo/ABC poll

[Hugo Chavez]

33% for democrats,,, Interesting, look how much independents have increased!!! 42% up from 29% last year!  not shocking, but I bet they manage on getting those people back into rep/dem camps before the election lol...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_101909.html?sid=ST2009101902502

[Purge_WTF]

  No, the GOP needs to be dissolved and branched into Libertarian and Constitution Parties. They're paying for the sins of the previous president.

[Hedgehog]

The problem is the current two party system of USA.

USA would be much better off with proportional representation, where multiple parties would be able to get represented.

http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/globalrights/democracy/abcs.html

Then you would see all kinds of parties, from pure one issue parties, eg anti immigration, to Christian Conservatives, all the way to Communist parties, and perhaps some 2nd amendment party.

Diversity would be much better represented.

Instead of this "pick the lesser of two evils" system that is currently in practice.

Soviet Union had one party to vote for.

In USA, there are in reality twice as much democracy!!!


The most ridiculous part of all this is that the main argument why the current system is kept, is that "the founding fathers" wrote it that way.

And they couldn't be wrong, could they?

I mean, that was only like 200+ years ago.

The real reason is because the two parties in power like it that way.

[Soul Crusher]

The problem is the current two party system of USA.

USA would be much better off with proportional representation, where multiple parties would be able to get represented.

http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/globalrights/democracy/abcs.html

Then you would see all kinds of parties, from pure one issue parties, eg anti immigration, to Christian Conservatives, all the way to Communist parties, and perhaps some 2nd amendment party.

Diversity would be much better represented.

Instead of this "pick the lesser of two evils" system that is currently in practice.

Soviet Union had one party to vote for.

In USA, there are in reality twice as much democracy!!!


The most ridiculous part of all this is that the main argument why the current system is kept, is that "the founding fathers" wrote it that way.

And they couldn't be wrong, could they?

I mean, that was only like 200+ years ago.

The real reason is because the two parties in power like it that way.

HEDGE -

The original GW warned against the two party system and it is not in the constitution. 

[George Whorewell]

 

240 shows his supreme intelligence yet again. Less than one month ago there was a posting here which referenced a nationwide poll that stated the majority of Americans consider themselves conservative. I also remember reading several articles that also included the poll.

So now, the majority of Americans are conservatives but only 20% claim to be republican?


 

[Soul Crusher]

240 shows his supreme intelligence yet again. Less than one month ago there was a posting here which referenced a nationwide poll that stated the majority of Americans consider themselves conservative. I also remember reading several articles that also included the poll.

So now, the majority of Americans are conservatives but only 20% claim to be republican?


 

I wish the GOP would go away myself.  They are useless, feckless, and Dem-Lite. 

[shootfighter1]

Republican leaders do not seem to have good organization.  By far the most visible people identified with the republican party are the talk show hosts.  I agree, they need to create a clear message and identify a few strong leaders if they want to win in 2012.

I also hate the 2 party system, it's insulting to have yourself labeled as belonging to 1 party.  There are too many differences among individual members.

[Hedgehog]

HEDGE -

The original GW warned against the two party system and it is not in the constitution. 

You are wrong.

It is in the constitution.

The election system with electorates are very well described in the US constitution. Here's a paragraph:

Section 2 - The House

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.


14th Amendment:

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.



The system favors majority.

Ie, as a voter, your vote is "dead" as long as you don't vote for one of the two big parties.

Ralph Nader was long considered to be a spoiler for the Democrats because he ran a campaign despite having absolutely no chance of winning the presidency.

The same is said for the Socialist party.

And the Libertarian party gets a lot of heat for "stealing" GOP votes.

The Libertarian party won't be a factor unless you change the constitution.

[Hugo Chavez]

240 shows his supreme intelligence yet again. Less than one month ago there was a posting here which referenced a nationwide poll that stated the majority of Americans consider themselves conservative. I also remember reading several articles that also included the poll.

So now, the majority of Americans are conservatives but only 20% claim to be republican?


 

I think you just showed your own lack of intelligence.  what, you need to be republican to identify as a conservative?   It never occured to you that a good portion of the 42% independents and some dems will identify themselves as conservative?  This board alone has several self identified conservatives that are not republican.

[Soul Crusher]

You are wrong.

It is in the constitution.

The election system with electorates are very well described in the US constitution. Here's a paragraph:

Section 2 - The House

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.


14th Amendment:

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.



The system favors majority.

Ie, as a voter, your vote is "dead" as long as you don't vote for one of the two big parties.

Ralph Nader was long considered to be a spoiler for the Democrats because he ran a campaign despite having absolutely no chance of winning the presidency.

The same is said for the Socialist party.

And the Libertarian party gets a lot of heat for "stealing" GOP votes.

The Libertarian party won't be a factor unless you change the constitution.

Sorry Hedge you are dead wrong on this.  Most of the barriers to more parties is on the state level, not the Federal level. 

   

[Hedgehog]

Sorry Hedge you are dead wrong on this.  Most of the barriers to more parties is on the state level, not the Federal level. 

In order for a system with proportional representation there would be the need for some major changes.

IMHO, the constitution would have to be totally re-written as for the parts of how the election process of the three branches should be done.

[BM OUT]

The GOP needs to swing back to REAL conservatism.Not intervene in other nations and nation build.Not worry so much about social issues[in fact thet should be libertarian on those].REAL conservatism.Not John McCain or Lindsey Gramnesty.

240 the idea that you call Rush drug riddled is as stupid as usual for you.The guy was on pain killers,went to rehab ONCE and is fine.Now,lets compare that to Dead Kennedy and his son.Rush makes no laws,votes on nothing.For a lib who likes the left side of things to call people drug riddled is assanine.Obama himself was a huge drug user by his own admission,somehow thats ok.

[LurkerNoMore]

When someone constantly doctor shops around to increase the amount of narcotics that he has been given, that is a sign of drug addiction, hence drug riddled.

[Soul Crusher]

When someone constantly doctor shops around to increase the amount of narcotics that he has been given, that is a sign of drug addiction, hence drug riddled.

As if Rush is the only one?

A good portion of our entire population is addicted to various substances whether it it be drugs, alcohol, etc.  Rush is human like anyone else.

[Hedgehog]

The GOP needs to swing back to REAL conservatism.Not intervene in other nations and nation build.Not worry so much about social issues[in fact thet should be libertarian on those].REAL conservatism.Not John McCain or Lindsey Gramnesty.

240 the idea that you call Rush drug riddled is as stupid as usual for you.The guy was on pain killers,went to rehab ONCE and is fine.Now,lets compare that to Dead Kennedy and his son.Rush makes no laws,votes on nothing.For a lib who likes the left side of things to call people drug riddled is assanine.Obama himself was a huge drug user by his own admission,somehow thats ok.

Sounds more like classic Liberalism in the sense of Adam Smith if you ask me.

But hey. Let's not get into semantics.

I understand what you're saying.

And I agree with you.

Leave social issues like gay and abortion out of it.

Just stick with classic liberalism - small government, protection of personal freedom and independence.

Cut all kinds of regulations. Market, immigration, everything.

Let everything regulate itself.

Just keep the police and law system to enforce the law.

That would probably draw some voters.

I'm not saying I would vote for such a party.

But I think the GOP needs to re-invent itself.

[Soul Crusher]

Sounds more like classic Liberalism in the sense of Adam Smith if you ask me.

But hey. Let's not get into semantics.

I understand what you're saying.

And I agree with you.

Leave social issues like gay and abortion out of it.

Just stick with classic liberalism - small government, protection of personal freedom and independence.

Cut all kinds of regulations. Market, immigration, everything.

Let everything regulate itself.

Just keep the police and law system to enforce the law.

That would probably draw some voters.

I'm not saying I would vote for such a party.

But I think the GOP needs to re-invent itself.

Sadly, I just dont see it happening.  look at McCain, Snowe, Graham, Crist, Bushes, etc.

THEY SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BM OUT]

Sadly, I just dont see it happening.  look at McCain, Snowe, Graham, Crist, Bushes, etc.

THEY SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They need to be driven from the party.They are an anchor around the neck of republicans.They are killing the party.

[240 is Back]

Less than one month ago there was a posting here which referenced a nationwide poll that stated the majority of Americans consider themselves conservative.

So now, the majority of Americans are conservatives but only 20% claim to be republican?

repub and consevative are not the same thing.

[shootfighter1]

Well, Bush is out...and George Bush sr. was a good president.

No doubt the republicans must gather around more economic issues, limited government, corporate tax cuts, truely cut gove spending, and protect personal freedoms.  If they focus on these and have a decent candidate, I think they will win in 2012.  The religious right has slowly been pushed to the side, which is wise for the party.

[LurkerNoMore]

Sadly, I just dont see it happening.  look at McCain, Snowe, Graham, Crist, Bushes, etc.

THEY SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and why isn't "your" kind of republican doing better in the primaries?  why aren't they on the ticket?

[Soul Crusher]

and why isn't "your" kind of republican doing better in the primaries?  why aren't they on the ticket?

Because the two parties are really one party. 

The parties rig the system via gerrrymandering, special interests, etc so that people who want small government have a harder time breaking "into the club". 

I hate the GOP and wished it went away. 

However, I will never vote DEM.  I will never vote for marxist-lite.  Sorry. 

[BM OUT]

and why isn't "your" kind of republican doing better in the primaries?  why aren't they on the ticket?

Name one real conservative that ran.I look at that group and other then Ron Paul,who was a conservative.They were all neo-cons who want to run peoples bedrooms.Not much of a choice there.Plus,not one had any personality at all.

[tonymctones]

Republican leaders do not seem to have good organization.  By far the most visible people identified with the republican party are the talk show hosts.  I agree, they need to create a clear message and identify a few strong leaders if they want to win in 2012.

I also hate the 2 party system, it's insulting to have yourself labeled as belonging to 1 party.  There are too many differences among individual members.

agreed im a conservative and probably would consider myself republican but i would have voted hillary over mccain.

[240 is Back]

Name one real conservative that ran.I look at that group and other then Ron Paul,who was a conservative.They were all neo-cons who want to run peoples bedrooms.Not much of a choice there.Plus,not one had any personality at all.

So... are you saying the repub party really is the party of conservatives?

if you admit the majority of your candidates were moderates, many with liberal gun, tax, abortion, and healthcare policies...

Are republicans still conservatives?  Or are they a moderate group that includes some conservatives?