im not ripped to the bone or anything, but i can see my serratus and abs are fully there, also still have seperation in my thighs...........i like to keep the seperation in my thighs, that lets me know that im semi lean.........once that goes i tighten up things for a bit then slowly loosen things up........I just dont want to get fat, i dont see the point in it..........id rather put on a little at a time, but have it be quality.