What is the message of tonights' election?

[Soul Crusher]

I'm sure you are... and I"m sure there are plenty who feel like you. But that doesn't mean your interpretation of last night's elections is accurate.

Ha Ha. Astorino beating the lib incumbent by 16 points on a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-tax platform means nothing. 

Al:  Just for you baby: 

[Al Doggity]

Hardly. Turn out for that election was light because not too many people cared about. Just two reasons why it couldn't be considered indicative of future trends. Hoffman's race was more important. He had the nation's attention and conservative talk radio in his back pocket. If you insist on using any of these elections as a litmus test, then that would be the one.

That being said, politics is cyclical and reactionary, so the conservatives should make at least minimal headway next year, especially if the economy does not rebound strongly. Last night, however, is not a strong argument for that, though.

Where did I say it meant nothing?

Is it a rejection of Westchester's ridiculously high taxes during tough economic times? Yes. You claimed it was "ground zero" for the way the winds will blow in the next election. That it is not. I never said it meant nothing. I said it didn't mean what you were trying to pass it off as.

[Soul Crusher]

Where did I say it meant nothing?

Is it a rejection of Westchester's ridiculously high taxes during tough economic times? Yes. You claimed it was "ground zero" for the way the winds will blow in the next election. That it is not. I never said it meant nothing. I said it didn't mean what you were trying to pass it off as.

AL:  If Westchester County goes GOP, the DEMS are donezo. 

Astorino run on anti-tax, pro-gun, pro-life platform and won by 16 points.  This is Hillary land for fucks sake!

Another thing, even some of my lib friends voted for the conservative because they are sick of big govt taxes.     

[Soul Crusher]

Where did I say it meant nothing?

Is it a rejection of Westchester's ridiculously high taxes during tough economic times? Yes. You claimed it was "ground zero" for the way the winds will blow in the next election. That it is not. I never said it meant nothing. I said it didn't mean what you were trying to pass it off as.

Al:  the taxes on my building went up by 20k last year. 

[Al Doggity]

AL:  If Westchester County goes GOP, the DEMS are donezo. 

Astorino run on anti-tax, pro-gun, pro-life platform and won by 16 points.  This is Hillary land for fucks sake!

Another thing, even some of my lib friends voted for the conservative because they are sick of big govt taxes.     

And, as has already been addressed by more than one person, he won for COUNTY EXECUTIVE in an election with a light turnout. Maybe some of your lib friends voted for the conservative, but statistically, most of your lib friends stayed home and didn't vote for anyone.

You can believe that there will be a huge repub uprising in the next election- as a matter of fact, I'm sure that's the only thing getting you up in the morning these day- but you know, logically, in light of all the information you have at your disposal, that these elections aren't necessarily a sign of that.

[Soul Crusher]

And, as has already been addressed by more than one person, he won for COUNTY EXECUTIVE in an election with a light turnout. Maybe some of your lib friends voted for the conservative, but statistically, most of your lib friends stayed home and didn't vote for anyone.

You can believe that there will be a huge repub uprising in the next election- as a matter of fact, I'm sure that's the only thing getting you up in the morning these day- but you know, logically, in light of all the information you have at your disposal, that these elections aren't necessarily a sign of that.

The people I am getting emails from were all obama voters but sick of paying 15k a year in taxes for a home going down in value to fund bloated corrupt govt. 

[BM OUT]

And, as has already been addressed by more than one person, he won for COUNTY EXECUTIVE in an election with a light turnout. Maybe some of your lib friends voted for the conservative, but statistically, most of your lib friends stayed home and didn't vote for anyone.

You can believe that there will be a huge repub uprising in the next election- as a matter of fact, I'm sure that's the only thing getting you up in the morning these day- but you know, logically, in light of all the information you have at your disposal, that these elections aren't necessarily a sign of that.

No,it might not be a sign of that.Add into it the fact that the VAST majority of Americans are against Obama care,against cap and trade,were against the bailouts of the auto dealers,were against the stimulous,see unemployment at record highs AFTER spending a trillion dollars on stimulous,and the writing is on the wall.

Now,put things like Gates,Van Jones,Acorn etc etc.and if you cant feel the outrage then your blind.Obama campaigned as a uniter,a tax cutter and a moderate.He has goverened like a divider,a tax hiker and a FAR FAR FAR left wing lunatic.

[shootfighter1]

Though I agree these races were probably mostly focused on local issues, when the president goes to bat that hard for these democratic gov (who both support his general policies and agendas) and both loose, it may be a reflection on overall big government and taxation policies, certainly a possibility.

[Soul Crusher]

Though I agree these races were probably mostly focused on local issues, when the president goes to bat that hard for these democratic gov (who both support his general policies and agendas) and both loose, it may be a reflection on overall big government and taxation policies, certainly a possibility.

SHOOT -  I live in one of the most lib areas of the country.  The voters voted for a pro-gun, pro-life, anti-tax conservative by 16 Points because we are sick of funding an out of control govt. 

Its not just Obama, although he is a symbol of govt on roids, but the overall burden that taxes that are causing people and the economy.

 

[Al Doggity]

Though I agree these races were probably mostly focused on local issues, when the president goes to bat that hard for these democratic gov (who both support his general policies and agendas) and both loose, it may be a reflection on overall big government and taxation policies, certainly a possibility.

I don't think it is even a possibility, but I can at least understand if someone does think that. But anyone who thinks last night was some sort of referendum needs to put the pipe down.

 

[LurkerNoMore]

Gee what a dick.Governor is FAR more important then congress.

What an idiot.  Last time I checked, Govs did not have a vote in Congress which is responsible for approving the POTUS agenda.

Nice try.  Come back when the GOP wins something relevant.

[240 is Back]

Obama won NJ with close to 60% in the last election.Corzine,the tax and spend lib,got beat in a state that ALWAYS goes Democratic.

Who told you that?  It's not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_New_Jersey#Governors_under_the_1947_N.J._Constitution_.281947.E2.80.94.29

it's about 50/50.  And if you look at it, the party that is in the white house seldom wins in NJ.

[Soul Crusher]

The only place ZERO won was where he never went. 

NJ is huge.  No lib on this board can spin that won.  VA by 20 is just embarassing. 

My county of the Clintons, Soros', Stewarts, Gears', et al will now have gun shows!

 

[240 is Back]

The only place ZERO won was where he never went. 

lol.... very sad, and very true.  Reminds me of one report I saw on Rudy Guiliani during the election... showed his numbers going up where he didn't visit, and dropping where he did campaign.  He got the flu over christmas and his numbers went up also.

Sometimes people are just sick of a certain personality.  Obama might be at a point in that area - where they know wall street and the economy better than the rest of the nation - where they're ready for change.  The anti-Obama vote might be as big as the anti-bush vote in the coming years.

[Soul Crusher]

lol.... very sad, and very true.  Reminds me of one report I saw on Rudy Guiliani during the election... showed his numbers going up where he didn't visit, and dropping where he did campaign.  He got the flu over christmas and his numbers went up also.

Sometimes people are just sick of a certain personality.  Obama might be at a point in that area - where they know wall street and the economy better than the rest of the nation - where they're ready for change.  The anti-Obama vote might be as big as the anti-bush vote in the coming years.

240 - Obama made his choice.  I made mine.

He choose Goldman Sachs/GE/Soros/Citi/BOA et al

I am choosing otherwise and will do whatever I can to defeat this corporate communism.

He has accomplished a complete revival of the GOP with his marxist nonsense. 

In Obama's words:

"I'M FIRED UP, READY TO GO! ! ! ! "   

[BM OUT]

What an idiot.  Last time I checked, Govs did not have a vote in Congress which is responsible for approving the POTUS agenda.

Nice try.  Come back when the GOP wins something relevant.

Hey dildo,governor is one of 50 dumb fuck.They control the agenda of the states you stupid fuck.The DEMS GOT CURSHED in two states that went to that filthy little man child Hussein Obama.Now,run along little man and let the big people talk dum fuck.

Hmmm,lets see,one of 50 who makes law for his state and controlls state budgets,or one of over 300.Good try .
you=fail as usual.Dunce.

[240 is Back]

Hey dildo,governor is one of 50 dumb fuck.They control the agenda of the states you stupid fuck.

i think gov is a very important job.

However, in terms of implementing major changes that affect all americans, senators are more powerful.

In the next year, changes may be made to healthcare, cap/trade, and other issues which the governors are powerless to stop.  While they are very good at managing states and all that, they can't start/stop wars.  They can't create social security or healthcare.  They can't do a thing to stop obama, while the 535 in congress can.

[Soul Crusher]

i think gov is a very important job.

However, in terms of implementing major changes that affect all americans, senators are more powerful.

In the next year, changes may be made to healthcare, cap/trade, and other issues which the governors are powerless to stop.  While they are very good at managing states and all that, they can't start/stop wars.  They can't create social security or healthcare.  They can't do a thing to stop obama, while the 535 in congress can.

Dont hold your breath waiting for Free healthcare.   Its DOA.  Cap & trade is DOA.  The marxist agenda is DOA. 

 

[BM OUT]

i think gov is a very important job.

However, in terms of implementing major changes that affect all americans, senators are more powerful.

In the next year, changes may be made to healthcare, cap/trade, and other issues which the governors are powerless to stop.  While they are very good at managing states and all that, they can't start/stop wars.  They can't create social security or healthcare.  They can't do a thing to stop obama, while the 535 in congress can.

Senators are FAR more important then Congressman.You may be right that they are more powerfull then a governor.However,for ANYONE to imply a congressman is more powerfull then a governor is just plain stupid.Perhaps someone can name the congressman that came right out of the congress and became president.There is a reason why.

[240 is Back]

Senators are FAR more important then Congressman.You may be right that they are more powerfull then a governor.However,for ANYONE to imply a congressman is more powerfull then a governor is just plain stupid.Perhaps someone can name the congressman that came right out of the congress and became president.There is a reason why.

IMO, as a whole, congressmen are more powerful than the group of governors.

They have just as much say in starting wars, health care, cap/trade, etc etc, as senators.  Everything the senate sees must pass the house first.


I wish the governors had more power, as they are really more independent and more in touch with the needs of the people.  They wield a huge sword in their own state borders.  But their changes don't seem to be as permanent.  You can't "undo" universal healthcare, social security, medicare, or Iraq, like you can change state law on things.

[LurkerNoMore]

Hey dildo,governor is one of 50 dumb fuck.They control the agenda of the states you stupid fuck.The DEMS GOT CURSHED in two states that went to that filthy little man child Hussein Obama.Now,run along little man and let the big people talk dum fuck.

Hmmm,lets see,one of 50 who makes law for his state and controlls state budgets,or one of over 300.Good try .
you=fail as usual.Dunce.

Hey Penis Breath,

Last time I checked - yeah repeating myself once again for the slow people around here    - govs didn't have a vote or say so in Congress.  Congress is the one responsible for working with or against the POTUS. 

Which is more important?  Someone that makes laws and changes for a single state or someone that has a direct effect on the efforts of one man to make laws and changes for the entire country?

YOU = FAILING DUMB FUCK.

But nice try.  I know you have to have something to hold on to so you can sleep at night.

[BM OUT]

Hey Penis Breath,

Last time I checked - yeah repeating myself once again for the slow people around here    - govs didn't have a vote or say so in Congress.  Congress is the one responsible for working with or against the POTUS. 

Which is more important?  Someone that makes laws and changes for a single state or someone that has a direct effect on the efforts of one man to make laws and changes for the entire country?

YOU = FAILING DUMB FUCK.

But nice try.  I know you have to have something to hold on to so you can sleep at night.

Hey stupid ass,do you live in a state?I think you do?Did Bush have a republican congress his last few years in office?Did they stop the war?Did they raise or lower taxes?Did they do ANYTHING?Now,I know you Obama voters are very very stupid and anti-white,but a governor has FAR more say over your life then ANY congressman does.He can raise state taxes,decides where education money goes,roads,and any number of things.

YOU are BY FAR the dumbest idiot on here.You argue things that cant be argued.Ever hear of a governor dropping down to become a congressman?Or does it normally work the other way around?Your a dunce and prove so everyday.You little race traitor.

[Soul Crusher]

Hey stupid ass,do you live in a state?I think you do?Did Bush have a republican congress his last few years in office?Did they stop the war?Did they raise or lower taxes?Did they do ANYTHING?Now,I know you Obama voters are very very stupid and anti-white,but a governor has FAR more say over your life then ANY congressman does.He can raise state taxes,decides where education money goes,roads,and any number of things.

YOU are BY FAR the dumbest idiot on here.You argue things that cant be argued.Ever hear of a governor dropping down to become a congressman?Or does it normally work the other way around?Your a dunce and prove so everyday.You little race traitor.

[LurkerNoMore]

Hey stupid ass,do you live in a state?I think you do?Did Bush have a republican congress his last few years in office?Did they stop the war?Did they raise or lower taxes?Did they do ANYTHING?Now,I know you Obama voters are very very stupid and anti-white,but a governor has FAR more say over your life then ANY congressman does.He can raise state taxes,decides where education money goes,roads,and any number of things.

YOU are BY FAR the dumbest idiot on here.You argue things that cant be argued.Ever hear of a governor dropping down to become a congressman?Or does it normally work the other way around?Your a dunce and prove so everyday.You little race traitor.

*YAWN*

I never heard of a gov dropping out and quitting either.  Oh wait... I have.

This issue here wasn't whether or not govs had more influence over me.  But whether they had more influence over Congress than Senators and Reps.  Which they don't. 

Of course with you, it is all about race.  Boo Fucking Hoo. 

YOU = FAIL

[LurkerNoMore]

IMO, as a whole, congressmen are more powerful than the group of governors.

They have just as much say in starting wars, health care, cap/trade, etc etc, as senators.  Everything the senate sees must pass the house first.


I wish the governors had more power, as they are really more independent and more in touch with the needs of the people.  They wield a huge sword in their own state borders.  But their changes don't seem to be as permanent.  You can't "undo" universal healthcare, social security, medicare, or Iraq, like you can change state law on things.

Common sense has the same effect on Repubs that sunlight has on vampires.

Don't waste your time pointing out something that anyone with more braincells than a fruit fly would understand.