Nidal Malik Hasan

[Fatpanda]

No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


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ksatriceps,  Does Surah 9:111 state that to kill or be killed in the name of Allah will ensure a place for the muslim in heaven/"paradise"?   If not, what is it saying please?  Is it referring to jihad or is it just a general statement?

Also, if it does say that, what is the context surrounding Surah 9:111?  Does the surrounding text negate the possibility of someone like this guy at Ft. Hood going to heaven?

christians do not worship christ, they worship god. Christ was his son, and prophet that islam accepts as a prophet. As they accept abraham and moses as prophets.

[Fatpanda]

So, are you saying Crown Prince Diprendra was acting alone?   

he was a hindu 

[The ChemistV2]

wrong - Buddhism is innocent !

Yep..can't think of any Buddhist suicide bombers. They seem like a benevolent bunch for the most part.

[dr.chimps]

he was a hindu 

Dammit! There goes that Buddha joke.  

[Archer77]

What religion were the Nazis?

Nazism was a combination of Positive Christianity and Teutonic myth wrapped around a cult of personality,or, what was referred to as the Fuhrer myth.    Nazism could easily be classified as a religious cult.  Nazis may have incorporated some elements of evolution but they were not an atheistic nation.  The idea of social Darwinism isn't something an evolutionists of any merit or Darwin himself would have contemplated. 

[Tre]

What religion were the Nazis?

Christians, of course.

[drkaje]

No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


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ksatriceps,  Does Surah 9:111 state that to kill or be killed in the name of Allah will ensure a place for the muslim in heaven/"paradise"?   If not, what is it saying please?  Is it referring to jihad or is it just a general statement?

Also, if it does say that, what is the context surrounding Surah 9:111?  Does the surrounding text negate the possibility of someone like this guy at Ft. Hood going to heaven?

Reads Old Testament-esque to me.

[Tre]

No.

Muslims worship Allah.

Christians worship Christ.

Muslims do not accept Christ as God.


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Try again.

There were the Jews.  A group of upstarts got fed up with Jewish law and decided to create a 'Christ', which would give 'God' a more loving personality.  This was much better for business, so Christianity began to flourish.

The Muslims then split off from the Christians and one idea is that this happened because those Christians (who became Muslims) did not feel that the new laws - as compared to the old Jewish laws - were strict enough. 

They all have the same God, but it doesn't surprise me that you're not aware of this truth, because it's been well-disguised by those who profit the most from the very existence of religion. 

[dr.chimps]

Nazism was a combination of Positive Christianity and Teutonic myth wrapped around a cult of personality,or, what was referred to as the Fuhrer myth.    Nazism could easily be classified as a religious cult.  Nazis may have incorporated some elements of evolution but they were not an atheistic nation.  The idea of social Darwinism isn't something an evolutionists of any merit or Darwin himself would have contemplated. 

*Cough* MattCDebussey*Cough*   

[Butterbean]

christians do not worship christ, they worship god. Christ was his son, and prophet that islam accepts as a prophet. As they accept abraham and moses as prophets.

I see what you are saying and yes, Christians accept the OT as true...they believe what it says about Abraham and Moses etc....but Christians believe in a triune God.  God = Father/Son/Holy Spirit

Christians believe Christ is God and worship Him.

You're right in that Islam thinks Christ was a prophet but Islam doesn't recognize Christ as God.

[WingedLion]

stop taking the bait

he was a mind controlled individual with vigilante/assasin programming

he was activated to do what he did by the Iluminatti

slowly he will be linked to various groups to justify more intrusion by US in the middle east

posibly Iran

the are playing you for fools and you all run along like little puppies

they use this mind control victims to make you hate arabs and justify middle east violence

can't you see that ??

they are turning you all into blind racists

[Butterbean]

Try again.

There were the Jews.  A group of upstarts got fed up with Jewish law and decided to create a 'Christ', which would give 'God' a more loving personality.  This was much better for business, so Christianity began to flourish.
 

Never heard this before!

The Muslims then split off from the Christians and one idea is that this happened because those Christians (who became Muslims) did not feel that the new laws - as compared to the old Jewish laws - were strict enough. 
 

Tre, are you saying that Islam started ~ 30 AD? 

[drkaje]

I see what you are saying and yes, Christians accept the OT as true...they believe what it says about Abraham and Moses etc....but Christians believe in a triune God.  God = Father/Son/Holy Spirit

Christians believe Christ is God and worship Him.

You're right in that Islam thinks Christ was a prophet but Islam doesn't recognize Christ as God.

There's no trinity in Islam so what you're saying would more or less be considered polytheism. Same thing could be said of Catholics who pray to Mary as Co-Redemptrix.

Religion is man made, anyways. Individually, people probably need it to help them make sense of the world or rationalize the unexplained. Culturally.... we'd have a lot less war & suffering without it.

[benchmstr]

well from a man who has never had a fight in his life

I say

bring it

wow, sounds like you two will have a pretty even fight.

bench

[Butterbean]

There's no trinity in Islam so what you're saying would more or less be considered polytheism. Same thing could be said of Catholics who pray to Mary as Co-Redemptrix.

No...def. not.....  Mary was a human being.

Bible indicates that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one God in 3 persons.....can be very difficult to grasp though for sure!

[Tre]

No...def. not.....  Mary was a human being.

Bible indicates that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one God in 3 persons.....can be very difficult to grasp though for sure!

According to lore, the flesh of Mary - just like Adam - was *needed* to make the prophecies come true.  So, that's why she and Adam are given such great credit by certain groups. 

Also, Mormons - who claim to be Christians - also deny the godhead of traditional Christianity.  According to them, Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 completely separate entities, not 1. 

This allows them to justify putting Joseph Smith on the same god-level as Jesus.   (remind me to tell you later what one particular Mormon told me about this....)

Another important thing to note is that the idea of the Holy Trinity as canon for the Christian church was actually determined by a simple vote. 

[drkaje]

No...def. not.....  Mary was a human being.

Bible indicates that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one God in 3 persons.....can be very difficult to grasp though for sure!

It's not difficult to grasp, LOL! There's no trinity in Islam. No Son, Holy Ghost, Spirit or any other form of God, only prophets.

[Top Dog]

Sorry Tre, I like you, your posts and it's entertaining nature. Given that, it's tough to take you seriously here. Get back to posting what you post best.

[Tre]

Never heard this before!

Most people have a hard time taking the step back required to grasp the reality that religion is a business. 

But when you look at it from a business perspective and think about how you feel as a consumer, Christianity seems like a much better alternative than Judaism.

That's reality.

Now, with respect to Islam, my belief is that their selling point was an earth-like paradise that awaited you when you died.  And of course, like any other religion, they've capitalized on the collective ignorance of their followers. 

Tre, are you saying that Islam started ~ 30 AD? 

Even though it was actually founded much later, the seeds were sown long before the time of Muhammed, at a time when a bunch of Christians were wandering around the desert and likely suffering from dehydration sickness.

[Tre]

Sorry Tre, I like you, your posts and it's entertaining nature. Given that, it's tough to take you seriously here. Get back to posting what you post best.

Spoken like a true Christian, and thanks.

It wasn't until I stepped away from religion that I was finally able to see it for what it really is. 

I'll admit to not being that well-versed in Judaism or Islam, but I've pretty much got the Christians nailed...no pun intended.

[Top Dog]

Spoken like a true Christian, and thanks.

It wasn't until I stepped away from religion that I was finally able to see it for what it really is. 

I'll admit to not being that well-versed in Judaism or Islam, but I've pretty much got the Christians nailed...no pun intended.

Your opinion is as good as anyone's and here, you won't be hung for it, but hey! How bout that Britt Miller!

[disco_stu]

this is what happens when hussein obama wipes his ass with our constitution

the US constitution IS shit.

and this has nothing to do with the constitution by the way.

[Top Dog]

the US constitution IS shit.

and this has nothing to do with the constitution by the way.

"cough" ANARCHIST "cough"

[Tre]

Your opinion is as good as anyone's and here, you won't be hung for it, but hey! How bout that Britt Miller!

I take 'what I've always believed' and 'feeling' out of the my side of the debate, though.  Studying religion is like studying history - you cannot rely solely upon public school textbooks.  You have to go beyond that and study what has been written *about* what you've read and then look for even further studies of *that*.  Despite what Christian churches teach, fullness of truth comes from gathering more perspectives, not less. 

As for Britt, we haven't spoken in quite some time, but she seems genuinely happy with where her life has taken her.  If she never gives me another great glute shot, I can still die a very happy man...even if I'm not going to 'heaven'.  (no need, cuz I've already been there!   )

[Butterbean]

Also, Mormons - who claim to be Christians - also deny the godhead of traditional Christianity.  According to them, Heavenly Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are 3 completely separate entities, not 1. 

This allows them to justify putting Joseph Smith on the same god-level as Jesus.   (remind me to tell you later what one particular Mormon told me about this....)

I know that Mormons claim to be Christians....but their beliefs concerning Jesus Christ and Salvation are not the same as the Christian bible teaches.

Even though it was actually founded much later, the seeds were sown long before the time of Muhammed, at a time when a bunch of Christians were wandering around the desert and likely suffering from dehydration sickness.

 

Spoken like a true Christian, and thanks.

It wasn't until I stepped away from religion that I was finally able to see it for what it really is. 

You mean Mormonism?

I'll admit to not being that well-versed in Judaism or Islam, but I've pretty much got the Christians nailed...no pun intended.

Tre, by saying you have Christians nailed do you mean the people themselves or Christianity (beliefs/teachings/scripture-wise)?