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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #200 on: November 07, 2009, 07:27:54 AM »
They say that Christ never claimed to be God, that others, such as Paul, claimed that.


John 13:13

"You call me teacher and Lord, and you're right because that's what I am."



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« Reply #201 on: November 07, 2009, 07:32:11 AM »
LOL. This thread is now down to chapter and verse!? The cassocks are gonna come off soon and we're gonna get ready to rumble..... ;D

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« Reply #202 on: November 07, 2009, 07:34:07 AM »
cassocks

I had to look that one up  ;D
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« Reply #203 on: November 07, 2009, 07:34:43 AM »
LOL. This thread is now down to chapter and verse!? The cassocks are gonna come off soon and we're gonna get ready to rumble..... ;D
Yes the worst wars are fought over religion, but religions are supposed to be non violent correct?

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #204 on: November 07, 2009, 07:35:34 AM »

John 13:13

"You call me teacher and Lord, and you're right because that's what I am."



I'm just saying what they think/teach.

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #205 on: November 07, 2009, 07:36:18 AM »
Yes the worst wars are fought over religion, but religions are supposed to be non violent correct?
Don't forget land, riches and women. Those have also started a few.  ;D

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« Reply #206 on: November 07, 2009, 07:38:27 AM »
Don't forget land, riches and women. Those have also started a few.  ;D
They are related to religion as well 8)

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #207 on: November 07, 2009, 07:41:49 AM »
They are related to religion as well 8)
Sure. Helen of Troy, who's face launched a 1,000 ships.

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #208 on: November 07, 2009, 07:48:39 AM »

I'm just saying what they think/teach.

Yes...they ;D

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #209 on: November 07, 2009, 07:53:24 AM »

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #210 on: November 07, 2009, 08:45:21 AM »
tre perhaps you have been reading the wrong history books  ??? or american history books are next to the fairytale section in bookstores  ???

i could rip your post apart, but alas if i were to school every getbigger on factual inacuracies i'd be here 24/7 and never get to post about men in thongs

Hey, if you've got counter-points to what I brought forward, BY ALL MEANS, tear that post apart! 

It's funny you should mention fairy tales, as that's pretty much all the 'Bible' is.  The irony is that I do believe that raw material for everything we see was created.  As for talking bushes and rain storms killing 'everyone on earth', though...I have yet to understand how people still believe this stuff. 


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« Reply #211 on: November 07, 2009, 10:00:55 AM »
Interesting.  Thanks for that info.


Yeah, we're not going to agree on that!  :)   

Panda, do you know why the muslims accept Jesus as a prophet if He (Jesus) claimed to be God and accepted worship from people?  Seems like they'd reject a person like that entirely?  Maybe ksa_triceps could answer too please?

Actually Tre is right, protestants do accept the Trinity.

Panda, I thought I read that Buddism doesn't really have a God?  Not sure about that though.

completely wrong stella:

1: jesus never claimed he was god - feel free to post a passage from the bible though to prove me wrong ;) you can't because he never uttered the phrase 'i am god'.
2. tre is dead wrong on all counts from his understanding of how christianity was formed to protestants accepting the holy trinity - they do not at all in any capacity accept the holy spirit - unless american protetsants follow some other form of christianity closer to catholic chrstianity.
3. buddha did not like to talk about god. He says it is a useless question, and many times refused to even answer the question. However on a few occassions he did:

When Ananthapindika, a wealthy young man met the Buddha at the  bamboo groove at Rajagriha, the Buddha made a few statements about the existence  of God and the real cause behind the creation of beings in this world. These views are summarized as below:

1. If God is indeed the creator of all living things, then all things here should submit to His power unquestioningly. Like the vessels produced by a potter, they should remain without any individuality of their own. If that is so, how can there be an opportunity for any one to practice virtue?

2. If this world is indeed created by God, then there should be no sorrow or calamity or evil in this world, for all deeds, both pure and impure, must come from Him.

3. If it is not so, then there must be some other cause besides God which is behind Him, in which case He would not be self-existent.
 
4. It is not convincing that the Absolute has created us, because that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things here arise from different causes. Then can we can say that the Absolute is the cause of all things alike? If the Absolute is pervading them, then certainly It is not their creator.

5. If we consider the Self as the maker, why did it not make things pleasant? Why and how should it create so much sorrow and suffering for itself?

6. It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us. It is our our deeds which produce both good and bad results according to the law of causation.

7. We should therefore abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds.

The Buddha did not encourage speculation on the existence of God among  his disciples. He wanted them to confine themselves to what was within their field of awareness, that is, to understand the causes of suffering and work for its mitigation.

He preached that initially each being was a product of ignorance and illusion and subject to suffering, karma and transmigration. He therefore urged his disciples to contemplate upon the Four Noble Truths, practice the Eightfold path, lead a virtuous life by performing good deeds and works towards their final liberation from all becoming and changing.
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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #212 on: November 07, 2009, 11:59:42 AM »
i was raised a catholic, and have taught about islam, judiaism, hinduism, sikhism and buddism while working as a primary teacher.

i consider myself a buddhist as it just makes so much sense. it also answered questions i had regarding christianity etc without actually talking about it and other religions.

Ok, having been raised Catholic explains your claim for the ownership of the divine trinity. 

I remember repeating - as a young Methodist - the Apostles' creed...that I "believed in the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, etc. etc."  Didn't really know what all that crap meant and never attached any real meaning to it...even as a child, I knew that religion was little more than a bunch of words and feelings. 

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« Reply #213 on: November 07, 2009, 12:05:05 PM »
Ok, having been raised Catholic explains your claim for the ownership of the divine trinity.  

I remember repeating - as a young Methodist - the Apostles' creed...that I "believed in the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, etc. etc."  Didn't really know what all that crap meant and never attached any real meaning to it...even as a child, I knew that religion was little more than a bunch of words and feelings.  

the united kingdom have fought civil wars regarding catholicism and protestism ( if thats even a word  ;D  ).

it is a major difference between the religious beliefs - daft though it is people still get killed today for their beliefs.

actually thinking about it, it would not surprise me if american protestants believed in the holy trinity, you also made up that rapture nonsense  ::)
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« Reply #214 on: November 07, 2009, 12:49:14 PM »
that is shocking and disgraceful on so many fronts. why did the policeman not shoot this alex guy? why did he have a knife? why wasn't he tackled by police until after 18 stabs ? why shoot the husband who seems to be the only one actually trying to prevent a crime  ???

i am deeply ashamed to be a european right now.

this is just to show that terrorism can be found in any religion or any race!..

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #215 on: November 07, 2009, 01:52:29 PM »
Panda laying the Buddha smack down!! :)

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #216 on: November 08, 2009, 04:11:59 PM »
I'm saddened that so many people see religion as a negative thing

as a Catholic, I try to always do the right thing, treat others with love and respect, to fulfil my God-given potential, and to encourage others to fulfil their own

introspection, humility, selflessness, generosity, and forgiveness are all encouraged by my faith

indiscriminate violence and radicalism are not

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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #217 on: November 08, 2009, 04:14:14 PM »
Religion and the Religious of every single type are worthless.  Deluding yourself is dangerous to reality and dangerous to others when you act upon or teach your delusion.


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Re: Nidal Malik Hasan
« Reply #218 on: November 08, 2009, 04:48:55 PM »
Panda laying the Buddha smack down!! :)

He certainly looks the part.

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« Reply #219 on: November 08, 2009, 04:52:58 PM »
in anticipation of the inevital questions regarding how I reconcile having faught in Afghanistan with the intent to destroy the Taliban (succesfully to a degree, I might add  ;) ) with being a peace-loving Christian, I'll offer this thought:

sometimes choices are not simply black and white, right or wrong. more often than not it becomes a choice between various shades of grey, or what is most right. violence and war are regrettable. unfotuntely, the Taliban made the choice to harbour al-Qaida, restrict the rights of Afghans and abuse/oppress women. as a counter to their choice, I made my choice to join the army and fight against them. going to war was not 100% right but it was MORE right than doing nothing to stop the injustice

after seeing the positive impact we've made over there first hand and the thousands of children who deserve to live in a free and prosperous nation I still feel it was the right choice


haha this might prove everyone else's point about religion and war, but there it is  ;D