TERRORISTS RECIEVING AMERICAN TRIALS IN AMERICAN COURT ROOMS

[George Whorewell]

240- the point is that this is not a sure win!

Everything collected from enhanced interrogation will be inadmissible in court--- EVERYTHING.

The government will also not be able to bring any sources into court to be cross examined, so everything they gave the government is inadmissible as well.

In 1993 when the first WTC trial occurred, almost all participants were located in the tristate area. The trial took 4 years. Now, we are flying in individuals who have never even set foot in America before to be tried in a civilian court 3 blocks from ground zero. Jury selection alone is going to take 6 months at least! Any decent defense attorney is going to highlight the inability for the defendants to get a fair trial.

Discovery motions are going to clog the trial to stand still, the burden of proof is much higher in a civilian court and the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments are going to make convicting these animals very challenging.

God forbid if these pieces of shit are acquitted or the case is tossed on a technicality. I think we may see the first lynch mob in NYC since the civil war days.  

[240 is Back]

As far as Obama, he is playing politics with national security.  

I'm not debating that.  I'm just saying mark my words... when 2012 rolls arund and we're watching the debates, he'll try to use this as proof of his "pro-active" nature on fighting terror.  When palin screams about "Palling with terrorists", Obama can respond with something like "I stopped giving the terrorists a beachside vacation in Gitmo that Bush did, and moved them to new york city so they could learn a thing about justice - from a jury of you, the American people!"


And you KNOW that shit will work on some voters.  I'm just talking political strategy here.  I'd have made the terrorists walk the plank in 2001.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not debating that.  I'm just saying mark my words... when 2012 rolls arund and we're watching the debates, he'll try to use this as proof of his "pro-active" nature on fighting terror.  When palin screams about "Palling with terrorists", Obama can respond with something like "I stopped giving the terrorists a beachside vacation in Gitmo that Bush did, and moved them to new york city so they could learn a thing about justice - from a jury of you, the American people!"


And you KNOW that shit will work on some voters.  I'm just talking political strategy here.  I'd have made the terrorists walk the plank in 2001.

240 - watch the guiliani clips I posted.  He was a federal prosecutor and knows the law as good as anyone. 

Watch these clips and let is sink in to your head. 

Obama hates this country.  I have been saying it for months, and every single day I am proven correct in this respect. 

[240 is Back]

240 - do you think Rudy knows a thing or 2 about law, terrorism, etc?  

Rudy not credible anymore IMO.

His right-hand man Kerik going to prison.
His company's association with mid east bad guys.
His own party rejecting him in 2008.

And of course, he hates everything Obama does.  

There are way more credible voices standing against this.

[Soul Crusher]

Rudy not credible anymore IMO.

His right-hand man Kerik going to prison.
His company's association with mid east bad guys.
His own party rejecting him in 2008.

And of course, he hates everything Obama does.  

There are way more credible voices standing against this.

240 - he was a federal proscecutor for years and beat the mafia in NYC. 

[240 is Back]

240 - he was a federal proscecutor for years and beat the mafia in NYC. 

Again, let's not move the topic between us - I agree it's a shitty idea to hold this trial, in terms of law and order.

However, for political purposes, it's a calculated risk that could work.  He'll be able to look america in the eyes in the debates and claim "I put those terrorists on trial, in New York City!" which will resurrect all sorts of "let's get behind our leader!" emotions in swing voters.

I don't think Obama hates america, as you say.  I think he is using this case to gain something to brag about in 2012 debates.  It's that simple.

[George Whorewell]

Rudy not credible anymore IMO.

His right-hand man Kerik going to prison.
His company's association with mid east bad guys.
His own party rejecting him in 2008.

And of course, he hates everything Obama does.  

There are way more credible voices standing against this.

Apparently deep thought isn't your strong suit. What do any of the aformentioned things have to do with Rudy's knowledge of law? He was a brilliant trial lawyer for many years as a former federal prosecutor. If he isn"t a "credible" voice on this issue, then nobody is.

[Kazan]

This is what I love about the Obama admin, they are all about the people , then go and do something like this. For starters this is going to be a security nightmare, you don't think AQ is going to try something? Then lets bring this asshole to NYC, didn't we already see how fresh 9/11 is still in New Yrokers minds after airfiorce one buzzed the city?

There is no hope for this admin stupid fucking decision after stupid fucking decision with no regard for the safety and well fare of those that are going to be involved in this trail.

[Kazan]

You sound much like a scummmbag NeoCon......true?

And you sound like a left wing tree huggin, metrosexual, twat. You not even good enough to be a poor excuse for a man

[Soul Crusher]

This is what I love about the Obama admin, they are all about the people , then go and do something like this. For starters this is going to be a security nightmare, you don't think AQ is going to try something? Then lets bring this asshole to NYC, didn't we already see how fresh 9/11 is still in New Yrokers minds after airfiorce one buzzed the city?

There is no hope for this admin stupid fucking decision after stupid fucking decision with no regard for the safety and well fare of those that are going to be involved in this trail.

Kazan:  this admn is by far the worst of my lifetime. 

I am speechless at the daily insults this admn throws at the citizens. 

[240 is Back]

33,

Ya never addressed my point.  Do you think some swing voters who don't pay attention to the news much will feel some emotional connection when obama proudly pats himself on the back for "Bringing the terrorists to justice, in the very place they struck!"

?

While I agree with you in terms of it being a bad legal idea... isn't it something that *could* work for him in those debates (even if the trials haven't started yet)?

[Soul Crusher]

33,

Ya never addressed my point.  Do you think some swing voters who don't pay attention to the news much will feel some emotional connection when obama proudly pats himself on the back for "Bringing the terrorists to justice, in the very place they struck!"

?

While I agree with you in terms of it being a bad legal idea... isn't it something that *could* work for him in those debates (even if the trials haven't started yet)?

240 - I think swing voters are beginning to be horrified and disgusted by this admn.  The November elections showed you a tiny fraction of what is going to happen in 2010 as UE goes higher.

This will not work for him since those trials are not going to happen for at least 4 or 5 years.  240 - you have no idea what a circus this is going to be. 

   

[240 is Back]

240 - I think swing voters are beginning to be horrified and disgusted by this admn.  The November elections showed you a tiny fraction of what is going to happen in 2010 as UE goes higher.

This will not work for him since those trials are not going to happen for at least 4 or 5 years.  240 - you have no idea what a circus this is going to be.  
 

Yeah, the more I read about it, the more it sounds like it's for show.

Even if the trials haven't begun, he'll be able to claim ownership of it and possibly gain from it.  He can honestly say "I'm bringing the remaining purpritrators of 911 back to ground zero, where they can be tried just blocks from the very attack that affected so many americans..."

A line like that will ring with a lot of voters.  You're a lawyer and you understand some of cap/trade.  Imagine what joe dropout knows about it.  Nothing.  it's a non-issue for probably the majority of voters.  But when it's "cool" to watch the debates when they pre-empt American idol in a few years, obam will be able to pull on some heart strings with a line like that.  Suddenly HE become the pro-active anti-terror guy.

in that manner, this decision, no matter how far ahead the trials may be, coudl benefit him politically.  And this is the politics board, not the legal board

[Soul Crusher]

Another thing 240 - this is giving in the terrorists.  This is exactly what they want.  Kill US citizens, and then, at taxpayer expense, get to make a mocklery of our system and lock up the courts and media for years on end.

Thank you democrats for voting in this disgusting POFS.  I guess Palin was right again.  

[240 is Back]

Another thing 240 - this is giving in the terrorists.  This is exactly what they want.  Kill US citizens, and then, at taxpayer expense, get to make a mocklery of our system and lock up the courts and media for years on end.

Thank you democrats for voting in this disgusting POFS.  I guess Palin was right again.  

and again, i am not debating the trial itself - I'm pointing out how it can benefit him politically.  Even more if the trails haven't started.  Then it won't matter to him how they go - he got his 2 terms, right?

I think we'll hear that line in 3 years.  He'll trumpet his brave move to defy the Bush admin's wishes and bring the bad guys back to NYC to finally lock them up.  That soundbite is all that'll matter, and in a close election this could be a huge thing.

Just looking at things politically dude.  he can now claim some ownership on 911.

[The ChemistV2]

The fact these scum could be freed on some technicality is truly a risk that should not be taken. Out of all the pathetic and ridiculous things Obama has done already, this has to be at the top of the list. I am truly disgusted. If they are found not guilty, this will have a huge backlash against Obama..except for liberals...I'm sure they would be deliriously happy if these "poor, misguided, sympathetic Muslims" were acquitted. The USA is rapidly becoming the joke of the world.

[Soul Crusher]

I guess my girl was 1000000000000% CORRECT 240! 

[Kazan]

33,

Ya never addressed my point.  Do you think some swing voters who don't pay attention to the news much will feel some emotional connection when obama proudly pats himself on the back for "Bringing the terrorists to justice, in the very place they struck!"

?

While I agree with you in terms of it being a bad legal idea... isn't it something that *could* work for him in those debates (even if the trials haven't started yet)?

People are waking up to what biggest bait and switch scam ever pulled off in this country. And the US has KSM for years, it's not like Obama went out and captured him single handedly.  

Maybe it works for him, or maybe some judge throws the case out because he wasn't read his Miranda rights. Or maybe they decide that his confession was tortured out of him and throw it out. There are many things that could happen that AG "I'm a fucking idiot" Holder isn't taking into consideration.

Stop for a minute and think what would happen if KSM walks on a technicality, the POTUS wouldn't have to wait to for the elections to thrown out of office the American people would demand impeachment because of incompetence.

Just the fact that this piece of shit is being afforded the same legal rights of an American citizen make me want to vomit.

[Soul Crusher]

Remember this gem? 

[240 is Back]

People are waking up to what biggest bait and switch scam ever pulled off in this country. And the US has KSM for years, it's not like Obama went out and captured him single handedly. 

Maybe it works for him, or maybe some judge throws the case out because he wasn't read his Miranda rights. Or maybe they decide that his confession was tortured out of him and throw it out. There are many things that could happen that AG "I'm a fucking idiot" Holder isn't taking into consideration.

Stop for a minute and think what would happen if KSM walks on a technicality, the POTUS wouldn't have to wait to for the elections to thrown out of office the American people would demand impeachment because of incompetence.

Just the fact that this piece of shit is being afforded the same legal rights of an American citizen make me want to vomit.

All correct.  But.  If he gets the wheels in motion for NYC, and nothing happens for 5 years on it...

He'll still have that one-liner.  And I think that's a very powerful 1-liner to casual political followers.  One-liners won him this election, remember.

[OzmO]

Other thoughts.....

-  BUSH had this guy for 6 years.  WTF?

-  Would they chance going to court if there was any way he wasn't found guilty?

[Soul Crusher]

Other thoughts.....

-  BUSH had this guy for 6 years.  WTF?

-  Would they chance going to court if there was any way he wasn't found guilty?

A civilian trial is never a guranty.  OJ anyone?     

[OzmO]

A civilian trial is never a guranty.  OJ anyone?     

I doubt it.   

If they walked, it would bring down the government. 

Didn't Cochoran pass away recently? 

[Soul Crusher]

I doubt it.   

If they walked, it would bring down the government. 

Didn't Cochoran pass away recently? 

Yes, however, any confressions and the evidence that the got from waterboarding or orther "coercive" tactics will likely be thrown out.   

[Kazan]

All correct.  But.  If he gets the wheels in motion for NYC, and nothing happens for 5 years on it...

He'll still have that one-liner.  And I think that's a very powerful 1-liner to casual political followers.  One-liners won him this election, remember.

Yes and an even more power full one liner would be "The President that let the 9/11 mastermind walk". Mickey Mouse could run against him wain after that.