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How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« on: November 25, 2009, 07:16:50 AM »
How Many Lies Is Enough?

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By JR Dieckmann 
Wednesday, November 25, 2009
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“I don’t think it will be offensive at all when he’s convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him.” - Barack Obama

When questioned later on being judge, jury and executioner, he clarified, “What I said was, people will not be offended if that’s the outcome. I’m not pre-judging, I’m not going to be in that courtroom, that’s the job of prosecutors, the judge and the jury. What I’m absolutely clear about is that I have complete confidence in the American people and our legal traditions and the prosecutors, the tough prosecutors from New York who specialize in terrorism.”

What I said was…? No it wasn’t. Both Obama and Holder have been guaranteeing a guilty verdict in this trial since the decision was made to try them in New York. And somehow, this is supposed to convince our enemies how fair our court system is? Or is it intended simply to convince the American people that the New York Five will be convicted - without any real substance to the claim - a propaganda attempt to make us feel comfortable with civilian trials of foreign terrorists in the U.S.?

Obama’s and Holder’s statements have already prejudiced the jury pool and could cause the trial to end in a mistrial. Under the law, the government would then be compelled to release KSM and the other four terrorists on American soil. Their very statements alone assure that a “fair trial” would be impossible.

Holder assures us of “a successful outcome.” What does he mean by “a successful outcome?” That there will be a conviction, or simply that the trial will ultimately conclude with a verdict? To most of us, we take it to mean that there will be a conviction. But what does that say to the Muslim world that Obama is trying to impress with his show trial? It doesn’t make any sense, unless you consider the national security intelligence and CIA methods that will be exposed by the trial. Now, if you want to destroy the U.S. national security and intelligence community, this might be a way to do it. What then? No place else to go for defense but to the U.N. and the global government - favored by the Obama.

Every time the Obama is challenged on something he said, he says “As I said before…” or “What I said was…,” or “As I’ve said repeatedly…,” or As I’ve consistently said…,” and then he says something completely different and contradictory to his previous statements. If he is so adept at remembering what he said before, then why can’t he remember a speech without use of a teleprompter? Most of those speeches are just the same old rhetoric that he has said many times before with the same old lies in every other sentence. “What I said was…” is simply another Obama lie.

Double-dip recession

“I think it is important, though, to recognize if we keep on adding to the debt, even in the midst of this recovery, that at some point, people could lose confidence in the U.S. economy in a way that could actually lead to a double-dip recession.” - The Obama

I think it more likely that people are losing confidence in this Obama-run government, if they ever had any to begin with. This statement from Obama represents perhaps the most hypocritical things ever heard by the American people. If Obama is so concerned about adding to the debt, then why does he keep doing it?

And to compound the lie, he adds this:

“I intend to take serious steps to reduce America’s long-term deficit because debt-driven growth cannot fuel America’s long-term prosperity.”

Neither can government programs and handouts. Government creates no wealth, it merely spends it. With the spending spree the Obama is ramming through congress and cramming down our throats, the national debt is about to surpass the nation’s GDP. So what happens when your debts become greater than your assets? You end up like GM and Chrysler - bankrupt. The country will be sold to the highest bidder, just as it is now being sold off to Red China.

When the Obama refuses to reduce spending, then says he intends to “take serious steps to reduce America’s long-term deficit,” there is only one possible conclusion: raise taxes, or borrow more money and apply the budget deficit to the national debt.

When you raise taxes, you kill any economic recovery that may or may not be taking place. Borrowing money from China to pay for the deficit is destroying the nation’s credit with a national debt that is nearly impossible to pay off. Just the interest payments alone are enough to keep us broke for decades to come. And how are we handling those interest payments? Paying them with borrowed money, or just letting them add more to the debt? Our credit is just about maxed out.

According to The Tax Foundation, to offset deficits, “Federal income tax rates would have to be nearly tripled across the income spectrum,” with the lowest bracket at 27 percent and the highest at 95%. “Even the CBO estimates that rates would have to exceed 80 percent, and that’s before state and local taxes,” says the Patriot Post. I assume they mean for generations to come.

Cloward-Piven

But Obama isn’t concerned with that, in fact, it’s exactly what he wants. Break the bank and redistribute the wealth to those who no longer have any income after the economy has collapsed and the country finds itself in a deep depression - taking much of the free world down with it. That is the Cloward-Piven strategy for the destruction of capitalism and the free market.

“The Cloward-Piven strategy - first proposed in 1966 - seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.”

This is intended to result in what the left calls a Marxist utopia and is the goal of George Soros, ACORN & affiliates, and others associated with the Obama.

How can any reasonable person believe that wealth can be created from government handouts? What happens when the handouts run out and no wealth has been created by a company? Obviously it cannot remain in business as the overhead exceeds the revenue. Wealth can only be created by entrepreneurship and passed down to employees.

But perhaps the most obscene lie is the concept of “trickle up prosperity.” You take money from the job creators and give it to the poor, who then go out and spend it to generate business for the job creators. Then you just take it away again and give it back to the poor. Where is the wealth creation? This is not wealth creation, it is socialist redistribution of wealth.

The Obama learned it well from the radicals and Marxist professors he sought out during his college years. So have the people he now employs in the White House staff.

Obama is a chronic liar

The Obama is a chronic liar. He lies nearly every time he opens his mouth in front of a camera. I have only discussed just a few from the past week in this article. He also tells us that he is trying to save the economy while in reality, he is trying his best to destroy it by stealth before he can be removed from office, and he continues to blame it all on George Bush - who does share some of the blame - perhaps 10% of it. Remember when our presidents were honorable men?

Did I say “removed from office?” On what grounds? Maybe violating his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution, abusing the office of president and the taxpayers, treason against the American people, ignoring his duties while running around doing photo ops and speeches, betraying our troops fighting overseas, usurping powers from the legislative branch while expanding executive powers beyond constitutional limits, interfering with the courts, just for starters?

And oh yes, WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?


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Bang.  Even the Canadians see through this fool. 


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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 09:03:03 AM »
3333 - why do you post this stuff every day

how many more times do you need to post the same type of article?

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 09:10:10 AM »
3333 - why do you post this stuff every day

how many more times do you need to post the same type of article?

Why dont you ask the same question of Blacken who posts fox news clips every day? 


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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 09:11:13 AM »
Why dont you ask the same question of Blacken who posts fox news clips every day? 

I asked you a question about your post

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 09:37:19 AM »
I asked you a question about your post

Why do people give the man crap about posting articles about our current president?

Nobody says anything about the 20 Palin threads.

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 09:42:49 AM »
I asked you a question about your post

This article was a great piece of work IMHO.  Did you even read it? 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 09:45:39 AM »
This article was a great piece of work IMHO.  Did you even read it? 

it's the just another article by an Birther who just happens to be from Canada

what added value does it provide that differs from the 100's of other articles cut from the exact same template that you've already posted.




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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 09:48:13 AM »
it's the just another article by an Birther who just happens to be from Canada

what added value does it provide that differs from the 100's of other articles cut from the exact same template that you've already posted.





See straw, you dont even read the article.  Most of it was about the KSM situation and parsing the lies. 

Maybe if this WH did not subject the taxpayer to a daily waterboarding, I would not feel the impulse to post stuff liek this. 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 09:52:21 AM »
See straw, you dont even read the article.  Most of it was about the KSM situation and parsing the lies.  

Maybe if this WH did not subject the taxpayer to a daily waterboarding, I would not feel the impulse to post stuff liek this.  

I read all the way to the bottom and saw this and then I had to ignore all his opinions for exactly the same reason that I ignore (almost) all of your opinion.  

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And oh yes, WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 10:04:26 AM »
I read all the way to the bottom and saw this and then I had to ignore all his opinions for exactly the same reason that I ignore (almost) all of your opinion.  


Fine, but you dont have to click.  IMHO, this article was very good.  Just because you voted for Obama, that does not mean you should turn a blind eye to the lies being told daily on many fronts. 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 10:05:19 AM »
i loved it when OReilly asked Palin about her experience...

"Well...how come nobody is asking Joee Biden about HIS experience..."

OReilly: Because he has 35 years in the senate, dear.

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 10:13:25 AM »
cause he's a racist outcast..And would rather have America fail than have a single black man succeed as president.

Obama is not single dick.  He is married to Chewbacca. 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2009, 10:20:02 AM »
cause he's a racist outcast..And would rather have America fail than have a single black man succeed as president.

I don't think 333 is racist

I do think he is truly a borderline mental patient (no joke) and could crack at any time

his constant ranting and raving makes it impossible to take him seriously

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 10:22:55 AM »
I don't think 333 is racist

I do think he is truly a borderline mental patient (no joke) and could crack at any time

his constant ranting and raving makes it impossible to take him seriously

And your support of the stim bill and CFC made me come to the same conclusion about you.  Cheers Straw!   ;D

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 10:30:37 AM »
And your support of the stim bill and CFC made me come to the same conclusion about you.  Cheers Straw!   ;D

yep - the stim bill and CFC was an attempt to do something to help.

the main problem with the stim bill was that is was 30% tax cuts (to appease Repubs) and wasn't large enough

your solution would be to do nothing and we'd be much worse off

all you and people like you do is criticize without offer any viable alternatives

people like you see the world in very simplistic terms and literally don't understand that these are complex problems that won't ever have pefect solutions

your constant ranting and raving and criticism makes it impossible to take you seriously

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 10:33:20 AM »
yep - the stim bill and CFC was an attempt to do something to help.

the main problem with the stim bill was that is was 30% tax cuts (to appease Repubs) and wasn't large enough

your solution would be to do nothing and we'd be much worse off

all you and people like you do is criticize without offer any viable alternatives

people like you see the world in very simplistic terms and literally don't understand that these are complex problems that won't ever have pefect solutions

your constant ranting and raving and criticism makes it impossible to take you seriously

Whats funny Straw is that I feel the same way about you. 

But regardless, you are right on thr stim bill.  The "tax cuts" are not enough to do anything and the bill did not contain enough for real infrastructure spending that we really do to to do. 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 10:38:04 AM »
Whats funny Straw is that I feel the same way about you. 

But regardless, you are right on thr stim bill.  The "tax cuts" are not enough to do anything and the bill did not contain enough for real infrastructure spending that we really do to to do. 

still haven't heard any viable alternatives from you

If you had your way then we would be dealing with massive, systemic bank failures, then a huge wave of business failures and 25% + unemployment and an even greater devaluation of the dollar then we already have.

That would be "success" in your world

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 10:45:34 AM »
still haven't heard any viable alternatives from you

If you had your way then we would be dealing with massive, systemic bank failures, then a huge wave of business failures and 25% + unemployment and an even greater devaluation of the dollar then we already have.

That would be "success" in your world

Not really, we are heading there anyway.  The issue is how much debt will have thereafter to pay off.  Under my scenario, we would have hell for a period of time.  However, we would avoid the larger looming disaster that we have now.

There is only so much time we can put off the inevitable. 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 11:00:38 AM »
Not really, we are heading there anyway.  The issue is how much debt will have thereafter to pay off.  Under my scenario, we would have hell for a period of time.  However, we would avoid the larger looming disaster that we have now.

There is only so much time we can put off the inevitable. 

what is your "solution" again?

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 11:01:36 AM »
still haven't heard any viable alternatives from you

If you had your way then we would be dealing with massive, systemic bank failures, then a huge wave of business failures and 25% + unemployment and an even greater devaluation of the dollar then we already have.

That would be "success" in your world

And so now we have massive, insolvent banks held afloat by massive tax dollars and voodoo accounting rules with no end in sight? The system isn't being left to correct itself, it is being kept on life-support in an effort to blow another bubble that will burst down the road. Capital is being held hostage, confidence in our markets is destroyed and nothing has changed. The ones that raped and wrecked this nation have been rewarded and in some cases given the keys to our Treasury and the Pres. inner circle.

It would have been painful, no doubt, but the sys. could have been cleaned up, moral hazard wouldn't have been abused and the bad actors would have been punished and we could have a clean slate so to speak. Instead the bad actors have been handsomely rewarded.

This isn't good.

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 11:05:33 AM »
1.  Be honest with the population as to where we are, why we got here, and what we face.  Be honest about the fact that we have had a madoff economy for years and that it is not sustainable   

2.  Let the big banks fails and let the wall street gangsters choose jail or the street.

3.  Massively cut govt spending and taxes.

4.  End Capital gains and corporate income tax. 

5.  Cut the payroll tax. 

6.  Reneogiate our debt.

There are others that I will list later. 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 11:07:19 AM »
And so now we have massive, insolvent banks held afloat by massive tax dollars and voodoo accounting rules with no end in sight? The system isn't being left to correct itself, it is being kept on life-support in an effort to blow another bubble that will burst down the road. Capital is being held hostage, confidence in our markets is destroyed and nothing has changed. The ones that raped and wrecked this nation have been rewarded and in some cases given the keys to our Treasury and the Pres. inner circle.

It would have been painful, no doubt, but the sys. could have been cleaned up, moral hazard wouldn't have been abused and the bad actors would have been punished and we could have a clean slate so to speak. Instead the bad actors have been handsomely rewarded.

This isn't good.

I  agree - I'd like to see some people in jail.
I do think the bank bail out was a necessary choice among all the other bad choices

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2009, 11:09:32 AM »
I  agree - I'd like to see some people in jail.
I do think the bank bail out was a necessary choice among all the other bad choices

Straw - the criminals have been rewarded! 

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 11:24:16 AM »
Straw - the criminals have been rewarded! 

no shit - I've already posted many times that I wish we had full prosecution of all the fraud that went on.

Start with AIG and the bond rating companies and move on to the investment banks

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Re: How many Obama lies can America withstand?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 11:29:11 AM »
no shit - I've already posted many times that I wish we had full prosecution of all the fraud that went on.

Start with AIG and the bond rating companies and move on to the investment banks


Straw - lets take you and me personally.  You work for yourself as do I by and large.  There is a reason why you and I both dont take stupid risks.  Its called being afraid of total loss and failure, etc, optherwise known as moral hazard. 

This govt, and started by GWB, took away moral hazard and are now rewarding the criminals to the point where all of our assets, future, treasure, etc ar egoing to prop up the worst part of the economy. 

You or I dont create systemic risk.  These thieves and criminals are doing the same thing now and we are heading for another collapse because we did not purge ourselves of the disease the first go around.