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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #150 on: May 30, 2005, 07:17:14 PM »
Quote from: sculpture on May 30, 2005, 03:32:36 PM
WTF are you talkin about. Yates biceps were al;sways poor even pre-op. They were torn for 96 and 97! Quit talkin garbage, "yates owns ronnie" what trash

Dorians bi's were never his strongest part but aside fromt he year he tore them they were never "poor". Rons calves are an example of a "poor" or lagging part. As for the tri's and forearms, The pics dont lie, Ronnie is owned by Yates.
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #151 on: May 30, 2005, 08:29:02 PM »
no way yates had better arms overall than ronnie.

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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #152 on: May 30, 2005, 11:32:39 PM »
Yates has him on Tris and Forarms. Ron wins on bi's
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #153 on: May 31, 2005, 12:30:59 AM »
Quote from: Mussolini on May 30, 2005, 11:32:39 PM
Yates has him on Tris and Forarms. Ron wins on bi's

still cant see how Ronnie would lose to yates when comparing the arms from the front double bicep shot, even though it is refered to as a bicep shot, it is probably the best shot to show completeness of the arms, i.e. big bis forearms, and hanging tris

Even if yates was a super hero

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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #154 on: May 31, 2005, 02:58:44 AM »
Ripped at 5'9 275lbs




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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #155 on: May 31, 2005, 11:28:04 PM »
Ronnie has no scrotum.
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #156 on: May 31, 2005, 11:50:06 PM »
Yates looked like crap. His Olympia wins were without a doubt the biggest joke in the history of bodybuilding.
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #157 on: June 01, 2005, 12:00:02 AM »
Quote from: brianX on May 31, 2005, 11:50:06 PM
Yates looked like crap. His Olympia wins were without a doubt the biggest joke in the history of bodybuilding.

He won on the basis of his stone hard conditioning.  Same reason why Rich Gaspari consistently placed in the money during the 1980s.  It was a level of hardness rarely seen in bodybuilding.

Otherwise, they both had structures extremely lacking.   :-\
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #158 on: June 01, 2005, 01:14:11 AM »
Dorian's structure was not lacking - narrow hips, length of torso and legs in proportion (Ronnie's torso is too short), his legs were extremely well shaped and balanced and not just huge lumps like Ronnie's, a proper pec line which Ronnie just doesn't have.  Real calves rather than a mass of synthol and scar tissue.  Yes, his biceps were weak but that was it.

To say Dorian's Olympia wins were a joke is ridiculous.  Ray or Levrone should have perhaps won in 94 but it was close among the three, Dorian was streets ahead in 93 and 95, plenty good enough in 96 and 97 with 92 being close and the top four all in top shape.

Clearly, Franco winning in 81 is the biggest joke ever.

Anyway, I thought this thread was about Jay?
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #159 on: June 01, 2005, 07:55:54 AM »
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Dorian's structure was not lacking - narrow hips,

WTF?? Dorian's waist was famously wide! - mainly because of his genetically pre-determined hip width..



I agree that his wins were not a "joke" (except for 1994) but looking at some pics from 1996/7 (like the one above) I wonder how he really did win.. I mean there are many lesser bodybuilders who look MUCH better from the front than this...
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #160 on: June 01, 2005, 08:10:04 AM »
Quote from: Hulkster on June 01, 2005, 07:55:54 AM
I agree that his wins were not a "joke" (except for 1994) but looking at some pics from 1996/7 (like the one above) I wonder how he really did win.. I mean there are many lesser bodybuilders who look MUCH better from the front than this...

I think it's already been explained that his conditioning was what pushed him over the top.  Granted his structural flaws made it debateable whether he was better than others who came in at their best, but his conditioning was unmatched, thus it pushed him to a whole 'nother level......

It was his "ace" that trumped everyone else.......it was his lasting legacy.....






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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #161 on: June 01, 2005, 09:14:22 AM »
Quote from: DIVISION on June 01, 2005, 08:10:04 AM
I think it's already been explained that his conditioning was what pushed him over the top.  Granted his structural flaws made it debateable whether he was better than others who came in at their best, but his conditioning was unmatched, thus it pushed him to a whole 'nother level......

It was his "ace" that trumped everyone else.......it was his lasting legacy.....






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Yes, but he was not very conditioned in 1994, 96 and 97. If you want to see conditioning, look a little to the right of Dorian in that pic.. ;)
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #162 on: June 01, 2005, 09:23:00 AM »
Quote from: Hulkster on June 01, 2005, 09:14:22 AM
Yes, but he was not very conditioned in 1994, 96 and 97. If you want to see conditioning, look a little to the right of Dorian in that pic.. ;)

I'm speaking about his conditioning in general, not in specific years at specific contests......

You wanted an answer, I gave you my answer.

His conditioning was unmatched by any of the other kids who competed against him.  He's the only bastard you could describe as "grainy" during his tenure as Mr. Olympia.  The muthafucka displayed more grain than a beer distillery..... :P

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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2005, 09:31:32 AM »
Quote from: Royalty on May 31, 2005, 02:58:44 AM
Ripped at 5'9 275lbs





That's got to be the lamest 275 lb. bodybuilder on the planet. Nothing impressive about that at all. How that blocky shape with no detail is considered no 2 in the world baffles me.
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #164 on: June 01, 2005, 09:33:53 AM »
Quote from: tony b on May 30, 2005, 08:29:02 PM
no way yates had better arms overall than ronnie.



Show me one picture where Dorian even apporaches this combination of size and shape
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #165 on: June 01, 2005, 10:12:18 AM »
Quote from: Groink on June 01, 2005, 09:33:53 AM
Show me one picture where Dorian even apporaches this combination of size and shape

Here ya go!:


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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #166 on: June 01, 2005, 10:15:42 AM »
Quote from: Groink on June 01, 2005, 09:33:53 AM
Show me one picture where Dorian even apporaches this combination of size and shape

Okay, I'll be serious and show a pic of Dorian actually posing:



oops. After all, he did beat a career best Shawn Ray in this shape! ;)
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #167 on: June 01, 2005, 11:10:02 AM »
Quote from: Groink on June 01, 2005, 09:31:32 AM
That's got to be the lamest 275 lb. bodybuilder on the planet. Nothing impressive about that at all. How that blocky shape with no detail is considered no 2 in the world baffles me.

When you suck Uncle Joe's dick, anything is possible.
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #168 on: June 01, 2005, 11:20:13 AM »
Quote from: Hulkster on June 01, 2005, 11:10:02 AM
When you suck Uncle Joe's dick, anything is possible.

Exactly........I think GroinK is getting PoinKed by the Weider clan..... :D

You can't diss Cutler unless you have a better physique than you do, there are probably only a few people in the world at that weight who can lay claim to that....




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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #169 on: June 01, 2005, 11:26:36 AM »
Quote from: Groink on June 01, 2005, 09:31:32 AM
That's got to be the lamest 275 lb. bodybuilder on the planet. Nothing impressive about that at all. How that blocky shape with no detail is considered no 2 in the world baffles me.

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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #170 on: June 01, 2005, 12:23:19 PM »
That pic of Jay is taken at an angle which makes his sumo-wrestler waist look like Brian Buchanan's.. :-\
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #171 on: June 01, 2005, 01:25:23 PM »
Quote from: Hulkster on June 01, 2005, 12:23:19 PM
That pic of Jay is taken at an angle which makes his sumo-wrestler waist look like Brian Buchanan's.. :-\
My thoughts exactly, that's a real good shot of Jay.
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #172 on: June 01, 2005, 03:39:29 PM »
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #173 on: June 01, 2005, 03:42:40 PM »
1994 when he beat a career best Shawn Ray , still good enough to win
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Re: Could Cutler beat Dorian.
« Reply #174 on: June 01, 2005, 03:46:08 PM »
The torn bicep can only be seen dead-on in the front double bicep shot and to be honest it doesn't look as bad as when Tom Platz tore his
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