Author Topic: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson (Read 91159 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #275 on:** December 20, 2009, 02:45:43 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 02:42:31 PM

wrong. because Ray improved by a lot post 92 onwards and from then on he beat Labrada every time.

93 is a great example. both in top shape. Shawn beats Labrada..

but back in 90, before shawn had peaked, Labrada won..

Labrada simply beat shawn before shawn had really hit his stride, much the same way as everyone beat Ronnie before he hit his stride.

but compare peak shawn and peak Labrada, and its Shawn every time, just as 93 showed quite clearly..

more experienced fan my ass.

Labrada only lost to ray ONCE and Ray didn't improve much through his career he was a 196 at the Nationals and at his best he was 205 pounds

Labrada kills Ray in balance & proportion , aesthetics and posing , Ray had a tad more size

Hulkster · « **Reply #276 on:** December 20, 2009, 02:56:19 PM »

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Labrada kills Ray in balance & proportion , aesthetics and posing , Ray had a tad more size

nonsense. there is a good reason why Labrada lost to shawn in 93. and why he looks on with disappointment as shawn and flex battle it out.

he was not as good. hell, look at the double bi comparison. shawn kills him. hence, why Labrada lost. and always would to a peak shawn ray..

Hulkster · « **Reply #277 on:** December 20, 2009, 02:57:23 PM »

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Labrada could not hang with flex and shawn.

he was not as good as either of them when they were 'on'

Royal Lion · « **Reply #278 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:06:12 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 02:57:23 PM

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Labrada could not hang with flex and shawn.

he was not as good as either of them when they were 'on'

I agree with this statement. Labrada was too small to hang with Flex or Ray when they nailed it. However, the bottom line is that it would be close between Dexter and Shawn--it is a great comparison as I have stated all along. On the one hand Dexter has just as good of conditioning as Ray and is larger; however, Ray was able to finish ahead of BBs such as Levrone, Wheeler, Cormier, etc. in his career. I suspect that there would shows in which Dex would place higher and also shows in which Ray would place higher.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #279 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:08:42 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 02:56:19 PM

nonsense. there is a good reason why Labrada lost to shawn in 93. and why he looks on with disappointment as shawn and flex battle it out.

he was not as good. hell, look at the double bi comparison. shawn kills him. hence, why Labrada lost. and always would to a peak shawn ray..

There is a good reason Lee kicked Shawn's ass every other time they met , Shawn beat him fucking once you idiot , Lee has more pro wins , Lee has a more balanced and aesthetic physique , Lee owns Shawn

Hulkster · « **Reply #280 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:09:04 PM »

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I agree with this statement. Labrada was too small to hang with Flex or Ray when they nailed it.

now try and explain that to NarcissiticDelusionalboy . he just doesn't get it..

ChristopherA · « **Reply #281 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:09:17 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on December 20, 2009, 02:44:03 PM

I agree that his lats are a little high; however, the rest of your statement consists of your typical exagerrations that have no basis whatsoever. For fucksake, it would be close between Dorian and Ronnie, and it would also be close between Dexter and S.Ray.

I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.

Damn sick shots of Dex! That last one his rear lat spread is huge, like a mini-Ronnie

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #282 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:11:39 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:09:04 PM

now try and explain that to NarcissiticDelusionalboy . he just doesn't get it..

You're the idiot who doesn't ' get it ' Lee constantly beat Shawn has more pro wins and a better physique

and I'm sure you'll agree Shawn was just to small to compete with Dorian

oh wait NO Lee's t small but Shawn's not , hypocrite much?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #283 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:14:37 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on December 20, 2009, 02:44:03 PM

I agree that his lats are a little high; however, the rest of your statement consists of your typical exagerrations that have no basis whatsoever. For fucksake, it would be close between Dorian and Ronnie, and it would also be close between Dexter and S.Ray.

I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.

Hahahahaha Hulkster getting bitch slapped again

As usual Hulkster is way off the mark and far from reality , Dexter isn't even close this statement alone proves how fucking stupid he is

Hulkster · « **Reply #284 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:17:24 PM »

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I don't see how winning a Mr.O (and being competitive in several more) and winning several Arnold's can be the "exact opposite" of what a bodybuilder wants.

because even dexter's fucked up taper was still better than some of the refrigerators he stood next to onstage.

hence, part of why he won. but would not win in the 90's and would have lost to Ray.

its very simple.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #285 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:18:34 PM »

I have never been a fan of Labrada. I admit he had a perfectly symmetrical physique and was an awesome poser. However, he was just to small IMO to compete with the likes of Haney, Yates, and even Ray, Wheeler etc. I am aware, however, that he constantly placed competitively. To me, he seemed to have more of an late 80s era physique than a peak 90s era physique, if that makes any sense.

Hulkster · « **Reply #286 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:20:04 PM »

ND is a fan because labrada is white.

he always picks the white bb over the black one, even if they have a clearly inferior phsyique

eg he picks labrada over ray, dorian over ronnie etc. when no one else is that stupid..

to the rest of us, skin colour doesn't matter- its the physique that counts.

but not to ND. skin colour takes priority.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #287 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:21:13 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on December 20, 2009, 03:18:34 PM

I have never been a fan of Labrada. I admit he had a perfectly symmetrical physique and was an awesome poser. However, he was just to small IMO to compete with the likes of Haney, Yates, and even Ray, Wheeler etc. I am aware, however, that he constantly placed competitively. To me, he seemed to have more of an late 80s era physique than a peak 90s era physique, if that makes any sense.

Labrada was in fact quite competitive with Haney and he gave him quite a run for his money in 1990 and Ray

Lee only lost once to Ray , he consistently beat him

Royal Lion · « **Reply #288 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:22:14 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:17:24 PM

because even dexter's fucked up taper was still better than some of the refrigerators he stood next to onstage.

hence, part of why he won. but would not win in the 90's and would have lost to Ray.

its very simple.

I disagree. Yes, Cutler was completely off in 08 which allowed Dexter to win; however, Dexter beat a very good Cormier at the Arnold and also has placed consistenly ahead of Heath (who is far from fridge-like). Dexter has also placed ahead of Levrone. Both Cormier and Levrone have placed ahead of Ray, yes? Thus, it would seem that Dexter could also place ahead of Ray.

Hulkster · « **Reply #289 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:23:22 PM »

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he consistently beat him

only when he was not in top shape. if he was holding a bit of water, Labrada won.

he was dry as a bone in 93 and guess what? he won.

people keep telling you this, but you just don't get it.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #290 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:23:48 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:20:04 PM

ND is a fan because labrada is white.

he always picks the white bb over the black one, even if they have a clearly inferior phsyique

eg he picks labrada over ray, dorian over ronnie etc. when no one else is that stupid..

to the rest of us, skin colour doesn't matter- its the physique that counts.

but not to ND. skin colour takes priority.

hahahahahaha meltdown

Labrada is hispanic you fucking idiot he's Cuban

stop projecting your latent racism on me , you're the guy who referred to Dorian as the blocky white guy and it's YOU who constantly picks block guys over white , I just pick the better ones over the worse ones

and the facts back me up

Hulkster · « **Reply #291 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:24:24 PM »

meltdown

Royal Lion · « **Reply #292 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:24:29 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on December 20, 2009, 03:21:13 PM

Labrada was in fact quite competitive with Haney and he gave him quite a run for his money in 1990 and Ray Lee only lost once to Ray , he consistently beat him

Labrada looks to have the perfect physique when he is standing by himself. His presentation was also awesome. However, when he stood next to Haney and even Ray, he just looked too small to be competitive. Just my opinion.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #293 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:26:46 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:23:22 PM

only when he was not in top shape. if he was holding a bit of water, Labrada won.

he was dry as a bone in 93 and guess what? he won.

people keep telling you this, but you just don't get it.

You have NO facts to back up any of your claims as usual

Labrada constantly beat Ray , this is a FACT regardless of how Shawn showed up and Shawn only beat Lee because Lee competed in the spring shows and wasn't on-par at the Olympia and if he was it would be business as usual , Lee beats Ray

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #294 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:27:55 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:24:24 PM

meltdown

Exactly what it is when you're reduced to crying racism without knowing Labrada is Hispanic you fucking moron lmfao

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #295 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:29:17 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on December 20, 2009, 03:24:29 PM

Labrada looks to have the perfect physique when he is standing by himself. His presentation was also awesome. However, when he stood next to Haney and even Ray, he just looked too small to be competitive. Just my opinion.

He was small but he had so much more than size which is why he never placed out of the top 5 in any competition .

Hulkster · « **Reply #296 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:30:38 PM »

check out ND being owned by all of getbig in a labrada vs ray thread:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=80524.0

I love this quote from Mindspin:

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You guys are relentless!!! ND, I like a lot of the original angles you take when evaluating physiques, but IMO it seems you're judgement is often clouded by your biases.

hahahaha so true.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #297 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:33:00 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:30:38 PM

check out ND being owned by all of getbig in a labrada vs ray thread:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=80524.0

I love this quote from Mindspin:

hahahaha so true.

Wow the old argument ad populum

Their respective competitive careers speak on who was the better of the two

And my biases is the judging criteria so I'll take that as a compliment

Hulkster · « **Reply #298 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:36:24 PM »

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Their respective competitive careers speak on who was the better of the two

when they both showed up in top shape, Lee lost.

period. doesn't matter how many contests so and so won prior to this.

Lee beat shawn when he was holding some water.

not when he was in top shape: as it is quite easy to see:

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #299 on:** December 20, 2009, 03:41:21 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 20, 2009, 03:36:24 PM

when they both showed up in top shape, Lee lost.

period. doesn't matter how many contests so and so won prior to this.

Lee beat shawn when he was holding some water.

not when he was in top shape.

Again moron Lee wasn't his best in 1993 which is the ONLY time Ray beat him , what part of he competed in the springs shows did you miss? 93 Arnold where he placed second only to a career best Flex and same with the Ironman

Lee owns Ray it's a fact and all the bitching and moaning don't change em , as usual I back up my claims with facts and YOU can't

I'm still laughing at Lee is white LMMFAO epic moron backfire