Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, and the pics prove it quite well:

don't forget that labrada only beat shawn when shawn was off. when shawn was on, he shot past him easily.

dexter had a wider back and a bit more size, but thats his only edge. he loses in the quality department big time. and not just in the back double bi shot.

his superhigh lats and mishapen long torso would really hurt him against ray..

Where are the facts?    come back and post when you have some. 

[MORTALCOIL]

Shawn was never off, considering the fact that he almost only competed at The O'. There's a reason why Labrada beat Shawn everytime but once. He was better. End of story. Haney had already initiated the "more is better " trend and there you've got a guy who places high everytime while holding considerably less mass (and being shorter) than everyone else. There was a reason for that. Shawn never had a "classic physique" as good as Labrada and on the other hand not big and complete enough to touch Yates. Great Bber though, one of the best but far from being untouchable.

[Hulkster]

Where are the facts?    come back and post when you have some. 

fact: when shawn and Labrada showed up in top shape at the same contest, Labrada looked on like a lost puppydog as shawn owned his ass:

thanks for playing.

[Hulkster]

Where are the facts?    come back and post when you have some. 

comparisons are all the facts  you need. this is bodybuilding.

it is based on comparisons. not stats on a page. sorry you think this, but you are wrong.

sorry.

[Hulkster]

Shawn was never off, considering the fact that he almost only competed at The O'

nonsense.

shawn often held a film of water in the early 90's that hurt him (eg. 1991 where he placed a disappointing 5th). granted, shawn in 'off' shape was still better than most of the lineup.

but from 93 onward he came in as dry as bone.

and not surprisingly beat many of the people that beat him before, like Levrone and Labrada.

the truth about history hurts the agendas of the nuthuggers on this thread, doesn't it?

[MCWAY]

fact: when shawn and Labrada showed up in top shape at the same contest, Labrada looked on like a lost puppydog as shawn owned his ass:

thanks for playing.

What an utterly STUPID statement!!! By that cracked logic, Ray ain't that great of a bodybuilder anyway, because he only came in "top shape" ONCE!!

Don't great bodybuilders CONSISTENLY compete at the O in great shape? If that's the case, Ray hasn't been such, because Labrada BEAT HIM 83% of the time they went head-to-head at the Olympia.

Here's a clue, Hulkster! When you face someone SIX times yet only beat him ONCE, you don't "OWN" him!!

Thanks for playing!!

[MORTALCOIL]

Hulkster is not worried about making stupid statements one after the other. Labrada lost only once facing Shawn and that was when he last competed at the 'O. How fuckin' biased can one be?

[MCWAY]

nonsense.

shawn often held a film of water in the early 90's that hurt him (eg. 1991 where he placed a disappointing 5th). granted, shawn in 'off' shape was still better than most of the lineup.

but from 93 onward he came in as dry as bone.

That's his problem!!! It ain't Labrada's fault that Shawn can't ring the water out of his skin.

and not surprisingly beat many of the people that beat him before, like Levrone and Labrada.

the truth about history hurts the agendas of the nuthuggers on this thread, doesn't it?

The truth about history is:

Shawn Ray holds one ASC title; Dexter Jackson has THREE.

Shawn Ray NEVER WON the Olympia; Dexter Jackson has.

Lee Labrada beat Shawn Ray's behind 5 of the 6 times they went head-to-head.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster is not worried about making stupid statements one after the other. Labrada lost only once facing Shawn and that was when he last competed at the 'O. How fuckin' biased can one be?

LOL

who the fuck cares if it was his last O. if he was in the best shape of his life for it?

duh.

check the flex mag review if you don't believe me that he was in his best shape.

just because he placed 4th doesn't mean he was out of shape.

its just that Flex, dorian and shawn were just that much BETTER..because they were all in top shape.

its amazing how little some people on this board know about the 90's, probably because most are all new fans..

[MCWAY]

what are you babbling about?

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One, I'm not babbling!!

Two, I'm making the point that your complaint about Jackson beating a "subpar" Levrone holds no weight.

[MCWAY]

LOL

who the fuck cares if it was his last O. if he was in the best shape of his life for it?

duh.

check the flex mag review if you don't believe me that he was in his best shape.

just because he placed 4th doesn't mean he was out of shape.

its just that Flex, dorian and shawn were just that much BETTER..because they were all in top shape.

its amazing how little some people on this board know about the 90's, probably because most are all new fans..

It IS amazing how little some people know, and you are a PRIME EXAMPLE of such!!

Once again, facing a guy SIX times yet beating him once ain't "owning" anyone!!

Ray LOST to Labrada five times, and all the comical attempts by you at revisionist history won't change that.

Ray lost to a SMALLER, SHORTER Labrada five times. And you think he could hang with a new-millenium Jackson who (Oh, by the way) grabbed the one title that eluded Ray?

[MCWAY]

well said. but ND and co. are not smart enough to apply the criteria correctly, so they mistakenly believe that dex is better, just as they are stupid enough to think that dorian was better than Ronnie.

sad sad sad.

What's sad is your pitiful attempts to pull revisionist history. If a competitor SMALLLER THAN RAY can consistently beat Ray, then it follows that someone BIGGER than Ray, with similar shape and proportion (ala 2008 MR. OLYMPIA, Dexter Jackson) can beat him as well.

And, like Labrada, Jackson is a virtual lock to show up SLICED. That kills your pathetic plea that Ray's repeated losses to Labrada was because poor Shawn just couldn't show up in shape.

[bodybuilder1234]

i dont really see how Labara beats Ray, he probably has better proportion and shape but he loses on muscle seperation, definition and size.
Ray looked freaky where as Labrada's physique was just ok

[big14]

They both look good.
Ray was great, Dexter is good too.
Hard for a 190lbs Ray to compete with 225lbs Dexter.
Just as a 160lbs BB would have a hard time beating Shawn.
Look at their arms huuge size difference.

[Danimal77]

They both look good.
Ray was great, Dexter is good too.
Hard for a 190lbs Ray to compete with 225lbs Dexter.
Just as a 160lbs BB would have a hard time beating Shawn.
Look at their arms huuge size difference.

Ray was not 190 pounds and Dexter was not 225 pounds. Where do you people get these stats from?

Ray was in his 190's in the late 80's. He grew into his low 200's by the early 90's. Dexter was never over 210 pounds imo.

[Hulkster]

i dont really see how Labara beats Ray, he probably has better proportion and shape but he loses on muscle seperation, definition and size.
Ray looked freaky where as Labrada's physique was just ok

no shit. but you have morons on this board (see some of the above posts) who have no idea what they are talking about.

and they love pretend that Ray was in top shape all the times he lost to Labrada too .

thats like saying everyone who beat Ronnie owned him as well even as he became a multi Mr. O.

duh.

[Fatpanda]

Ray was not 190 pounds and Dexter was not 225 pounds. Where do you people get these stats from?

Ray was in his 190's in the late 80's. He grew into his low 200's by the early 90's. Dexter was never over 210 pounds imo.

who cares about weight - look at those comparison pics - dex > shawn

[MCWAY]

no shit. but you have morons on this board (see some of the above posts) who have no idea what they are talking about.

That honor continues to fall on YOU!!!

and they love pretend that Ray was in top shape all the times he lost to Labrada too .

thats like saying everyone who beat Ronnie owned him as well even as he became a multi Mr. O.

duh.

That would be saying that Ray was only in top shape ONCE, because that's the only time he beat Labrada.

Of course, that would STILL mean that LABRADA WAS THE SUPERIOR BODYBUILDER, because he was consistently able to dial it in, when it mattered the most. Hence, he whacked Ray on the Olympia state in 83% of their Olympia matchups.

Ray's supposedly inability to get in top shape ain't Labrada's fault or that of anyone else.

Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.

[Hulkster]

you dexterhuggers are really going to HATE this:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112367071


hahahahahahahha

enjoy

ps dex can't compete with this:

[MCWAY]

you dexterhuggers are really going to HATE this:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112367071


hahahahahahahha

enjoy

ps dex can't compete with this:

Let's see: 3 ASCs to one; one Olympia to NONE!!

It appears Dexter can compete just fine.

[Hulkster]

Again, you don't "own" someone, when you lose 5 of 6 times to that someone.

you do if you are deciding who has the better physique when both at top shape.

and they were both in top shape in 93 when lee lost.

the above link I posted has many talking about how 'alien' looking dex is, and its not hard to see why: its that fucked up torso that does it.

 

[Hulkster]

Let's see: 3 ASCs to one; one Olympia to NONE!!

It appears Dexter can compete just fine.

yes, when his competition is dogshit compared to what Ray faced...

[disco_stu]

That's his problem!!! It ain't Labrada's fault that Shawn can't ring the water out of his skin.

The truth about history is:

Shawn Ray holds one ASC title; Dexter Jackson has THREE.

Shawn Ray NEVER WON the Olympia; Dexter Jackson has.

Lee Labrada beat Shawn Ray's behind 5 of the 6 times they went head-to-head.

this post about sums it up.

and BTW Ray came into each Mr.O in his best shape ever...each year getting slightly better. But each year as good as he'd ever looked.

Hulkster's also overlooking that Labrada didnt always come in at his best conditioning ever.

[disco_stu]

you do if you are deciding who has the better physique when both at top shape.

and they were both in top shape in 93 when lee lost.

the above link I posted has many talking about how 'alien' looking dex is, and its not hard to see why: its that fucked up torso that does it.

 

great post Hulkster.. That comparison shows Dex's FDB killing Ray's flattened out FDB.

Way to ruin your argument.

[Hulkster]

its not flattened out. its called a vaccuum, something that dexter's alien turtle gut and fucked up torso would never allow him to hit..

dex couldn't touch this in a million years: