The New York Times on IFBB, Pro bodybuilders & steroid

[Chick]

yeah cause dudes who lift weights, strip for old queens and take 'substances' they can't even spell are much better sources of knowledge and information than some woman who graduated top of her class in the NYU School of Journalism and is a published writer for one of the top, if not the TOP newspaper on the planet  oh please... just post the John gosslin pic already

Didnt know they had a course in "steroids 101" that she took at the NYU school of journalism...my bad

[Bobby]

they don't make any distinction between orals and injevtables...

are they suggesting that injectable test causes kidney problems?

[Chick]

they don't make any distinction between orals and injevtables...

are they suggesting that injectable test causes kidney problems?

Exactly my point...no distinction was made of this "study"...way to many variables to consider.

[Mr Nobody]

Exactly my point...no distinction was made of this "study"...way to many variables to consider.

Pro Bodybuilding is on its way out, the general public is losing interest. Since the 80's and early 90's it just a drug freak show.

Congrats

[Chick]

Pro Bodybuilding is on its way out, the general public is losing interest. Since the 80's and early 90's it just a drug freak show.

Congrats

The "general public" never had any interest

[Mr Nobody]

The "general public" never had any interest

So who is interested?

[rockyfortune]

question...has anyone ever been tested at an the olympia? or any other event staged by the IFBB?

[Chick]

So who is interested?

The non general public...like all nitche sports

[Aaron Singerman]

question...has anyone ever been tested at an the olympia? or any other event staged by the IFBB?

Yes.

There is a testing program currently in use in the IFBB... I'm sure Bob would be more qualified to discuss it, but it is random and the positive tests are not made public.

[ag2]

Yes.

There is a testing program currently in use in the IFBB... I'm sure Bob would be more qualified to discuss it, but it is random and the positive tests are not made public.

Really ?      So are you telling me that this year's Olympia contestants were tested?  


It's so random that no one ever gets caught    Exhibit A: Jay Cutler

[just_a_pilgrim]

I always had high liver values (ALT, AST), at some points 7-8 times the normal level. I spoke to many guys who were serious with similar levels (juicing or not).

Then i tried lowering the protein i was eating just to see what would happen generally and next blood test results? Liver values normal.

Overdoing anything for a length of time can cause problems and eating excessive protein IMO can't be that great for you.

[karu]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?em


But several bodybuilders said the testing was nearly nonexistent, and Cicherillo said he could not provide specific figures on competitors who tested positive. In addition, the chairman of the organization’s medical commission, Robert M. Goldman, is a leading champion of the anti-aging effects of human growth hormone, a drug that is banned by most sports governing bodies.

James Manion, who runs the professional division of the federation, did not return several calls seeking comment.

whats wrong bob couldn't answer the question?

seems like your daddy was tongue tied as well...

[karu]

so this 20 year old girl basically made you and your federation look like joke.

shame your "better knowledge and experience" can't help explain why its ok to break the law and not follow your own rules.

No, they're argued by those of us that have better knowledge/ experience than the 20 something year old girl that wrote the article...by all means though...make your argument...cant wait to hear this

[karu]

what a pathetic fool you are chick.

attempting to belittle the journalist for exposing your federation as a joke.

btw - you never did tell us which CVS supplied you the humalog without a script.

Didnt know they had a course in "steroids 101" that she took at the NYU school of journalism...my bad

[Bobby]

I always had high liver values (ALT, AST), at some points 7-8 times the normal level. I spoke to many guys who were serious with similar levels (juicing or not).

Then i tried lowering the protein i was eating just to see what would happen generally and next blood test results? Liver values normal.

Overdoing anything for a length of time can cause problems and eating excessive protein IMO can't be that great for you.

interesting, let's hear the grams, what was high and what did you lower them to?

[just_a_pilgrim]

interesting, let's hear the grams, what was high and what did you lower them to?

First of all i weigh everything so i knew what i was eating.

When i was younger i ate around 350 a day.

Even at around 230-250 a day it was consistently 2.5-3 times normal.

Now i eat at least 5 clean meals (maybe a junk meal in there due to fast met.) and i would only eat around 25 grams of protein a meal. So all up with the crap maybe 150 a day.

Didn't notice any size change, bit leaner maybe but i always stay very lean. I felt a lot better, eating excess protein i was out of breath sometimes between meals and i would wonder why. It was due to eating too much to be digested so once i dropped it i felt better.

[Aaron Singerman]

Really ?      So are you telling me that this year's Olympia contestants were tested?  


It's so random that no one ever gets caught    Exhibit A: Jay Cutler

From my understanding they test several IFBB professional BBers randomly, and pull from the whole of the Pro Division... So theoretically a pro may go his whole career without being tested.

The IFBB (as a whole) does have a drug testing program, but the Mr. Olympia contest itself was not tested.

[the_swami]

whats wrong bob couldn't answer the question?

seems like your daddy was tongue tied as well...

x2!

the TRUTH is , there is NO testing- its too costly and the IFBB doesnt care about the athletes health.

[Pet shop boys]

haha, king kamai, flex, bob..........it's a who's who of bb'ing. 

Exactly, I was waiting for Palumbo to pop up since he's from NY.

WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Pet shop boys]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?em

Bodybuilders said that they were unfairly singled out as drug abusers when athletes in most other sports were also using performance-enhancing drugs. “Like anything else, it’s use and abuse,” Cicherillo said.

When it comes to pro BB (IFBB) its all about abuse even Flex said it at the begining of article.


WOOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[The_Punisher]

“But if you want to be a bodybuilder and compete at the highest level, it has nothing to do with health"

this statement should be posted AT EVERY BODYBUILDING SHOW/EXPOS

[Figo]

I suppose they cant write an article on bbing without mentioning aas.

Extremely High-protein diets, painkiller abuse, diuretic abuse, extreme dieting(force-feeding, extreme cutting diets) practices, dnp/clen, t3, eca abuse and rec drugs are actually the main reason for the problems, with aas, slin & hgh abuse contributing, but not the whole of the problem.

Momo died of heart failure due to dehidration and an apple puree only diet.
Sonny Schmidt abused rec drugs
Tom Prince abused pain killers
Francois retired due to collitis which occurs usually in ppl that go through major weight fluctuations
Flex was predisposed to kidney trouble, and had/has a very experimental personality
Mattarazzo has hereditary heart disease, and followed an extreme diet

etc, etc...

[Bobby]

First of all i weigh everything so i knew what i was eating.

When i was younger i ate around 350 a day.

Even at around 230-250 a day it was consistently 2.5-3 times normal.

Now i eat at least 5 clean meals (maybe a junk meal in there due to fast met.) and i would only eat around 25 grams of protein a meal. So all up with the crap maybe 150 a day.

Didn't notice any size change, bit leaner maybe but i always stay very lean. I felt a lot better, eating excess protein i was out of breath sometimes between meals and i would wonder why. It was due to eating too much to be digested so once i dropped it i felt better.

wow, 150 seems so little. I eat between 250-300g complete protein per day. 300 is where i draw the line, no more than that, let's not get carried away.

[RAZA-BLADE]

The non general public...like all nitche sports beauty pagents

FIXED

[dexterJ]

some interested read.

http://www.anthonyroberts.co.za/2009/12/ifbb-on-the-run-from-the-ny-times/