2010 Team Universe

[GetItOnNY]

I was looking and the Mr USA, is 3 weeks later maybe I willl do that show to....why not.
I know I will get killed but just to do the USA naturally as a heavyweight is quite an accomplisment
I havent trained in 4 weeks, because I had strept throat, and a sinus infection.
Today I weighed 247lbs, my arms are a tiny bit over 19 3/4 " with out a pump, my chest is 54,  my legs are 29 1/2" and my calves are 18 1/2"  .I usually dont measure body parts, but I wanted  to know how much I lost by not training and being off gear over 2 1/2 years.I basically lost 4" on my chest,1 1/2" on my arms, 3" on my thighs  and my calves only 1".....But I been training for 24 years. so my muscle maturity is definatly there.

[jude2]

I don't believe it.  Name some names.  People who test positive may not go to the Worlds, but its not in the IFBB interest to rescind an invitation to compete in pro contests where extreme drug use is mandatory.

http://www.hardbody.com/news/2009/11/04/overall-team-universe-winner-michele-pome-disaqualified/#comments

[jude2]

No female BB IFBB pro card was given out this year at the TU because of Michele Pome getting DQ.

[timfogarty]

http://www.hardbody.com/news/2009/11/04/overall-team-universe-winner-michele-pome-disaqualified/

ok, she was DQed, but neither that link nor the npcnewsonline website says why she was disqualified.  It's unlikely that only one person out of over 200 would have failed the drug test.

[MAXX]

I maybe the only 'real" natural guy on that stage, but I will be able to look myself in the mirror, and live with myself.I don't know how guys can go around claiming there natural yet they use gear....Its stupid.When it comes to being natural or steroids I am totally neutral...
ask Curt, Drugfreeforlife, he will tell you...He has used my products for at least 6 years.

you are not natural, neither is "drugfreeforlife" rofl.. You use prohormones, no difference from regular hormones.

[Van_Bilderass]

He was owed $10K....umm...thats right, keep selling product in the hopes that he will get paid on that stuff too.  Hell of a business decision.   So what if he uses some of his own products?  Dont recall if the TU bans prohormones....but I doubt they do.

So you use hormones, as long as they aren't detectable, banned or whatever? Hormones that the FDA "forgot about" which John can get you?

Some "natural" 

John, have you used any of the prohormones you sell? If you have, how can you call yourself a "real natural"?

[Anglo]

Listen, I am 5'11, I have large heavy bone.All my relative were 5'9" -5'11" 250-260lb and none of them worked out.My father never lifter a weight in his life, yet had cloe to 18" arm.
All of my relatives are big huky men from Naples Italy.
I am going to post 2 pics.The fiorst pic I was totally drug free, at 216-218lbs.This photo wa taken right after I won the Mr Natural World.I was drugg tested, Urine, Blood and Polygraph, beleive it or not, and pased them all.I trained 15 years in the first pic, and I was just about 32 years of age.The second pic I am 258lbs on anabolics and was taken at 38 years of age
 

That second guy's not Skip la cour

[mwbbuilder]

He's the only natural bodybuilder who is really natural.

He's the only supplement maker who make legit stuff.

 

I guess when you discredit everyone around you, that make you the best...in your own mind.

[GetItOnNY]

Van,, I haven't even used my prohormones in some time.Heck I have even trained in 4 weeks...I am going to use them only if they are allowed in Team Universe.If they are not allowed they I will not use them.I don't care if they are not detectable, its about integrity.
When I enter a contest, I follow the rules, some people may not but they means I wont.
When you say your natural, it means your saying you followed the rules and only used substances they they are not banned substances.
As far as prohormones go, if you think for one moment that prohormones aren't natural your dreaming.
Even the best prohormone isn't even 5% as strong as real steroids.They have short half life in the body, and aren't nearly as strong.I know companies claim they are as good as steroids, but they are full of shit.
Trust me I don't care how many pro-hormones you took, it would never equal the strength of steroids.
Unless they are "spiked" like some scum bags companies who put steroids in there products.
If a company puts steroids in a product and make people think its a prohormone, they should get a mandatory 10 years in jail.When a owner of a company "spikes "a product they are making a decision for a person.If people wants to take steroids, they will buy steroids.They wouldn't be buying prohormones, they would buy real juice........

[timfogarty]

As far as prohormones go, if you think for one moment that prohormones aren't natural your dreaming.
Even the best prohormone isn't even 5% as strong as real steroids.They have short half life in the body, and aren't nearly as strong.I know companies claim they are as good as steroids, but they are full of shit.
Trust me I don't care how many pro-hormones you took, it would never equal the strength of steroids.

so therefore, it's the effectiveness of a drug that determines if it is natural?   So Anavar is more natural than Anabol?  And Androgel is more natural than Anavar

[nolotil]

as you can see in this thread bodybuilders are liers, specially when they compete. also have own defenitions of natural. a natural has never touched any hormones and that includes pro hormones. you are not natural just because you beat a drug test or some drug isnt banned from a certain federation or because you been clean for a few months (which also is a lie)

[Van_Bilderass]

Van,, I haven't even used my prohormones in some time.Heck I have even trained in 4 weeks...I am going to use them only if they are allowed in Team Universe.If they are not allowed they I will not use them.I don't care if they are not detectable, its about integrity.
When I enter a contest, I follow the rules, some people may not but they means I wont.
When you say your natural, it means your saying you followed the rules and only used substances they they are not banned substances.
As far as prohormones go, if you think for one moment that prohormones aren't natural your dreaming.
Even the best prohormone isn't even 5% as strong as real steroids.They have short half life in the body, and aren't nearly as strong.I know companies claim they are as good as steroids, but they are full of shit.
Trust me I don't care how many pro-hormones you took, it would never equal the strength of steroids.
Unless they are "spiked" like some scum bags companies who put steroids in there products.
If a company puts steroids in a product and make people think its a prohormone, they should get a mandatory 10 years in jail.When a owner of a company "spikes "a product they are making a decision for a person.If people wants to take steroids, they will buy steroids.They wouldn't be buying prohormones, they would buy real juice........

Please explain the difference between a prohormone and a steroid.

Is dimethyltestosterone a prohormone or a steroid?

Is tetrahydrogestrinone a prohormone or a steroid?

Is methyl-dht a prohormone or a steroid?

The compounds just recently made scheduled anabolic steroids (like DMT), were they prohormones at one time but are now steroids?

To echo tim, why not say Anavar isn't a real steroid because it's not as strong as trenbolone?

Prohormone, as it's used when referring to these androgenic hormones, is a term invented by supplement companies, nothing more nothing less!

As far as prohormones go, if you think for one moment that prohormones aren't natural your dreaming.

Laughable. Which foods contain "prohormones"? If I were an Olympic athlete, which prohormones can I use without worrying about cheating? Since they are natural I assume none of your hormones would make me flunk a test in the Olympics, right?

[Method101]

this show should be renamed Team Low Dosages

[GetItOnNY]

Van, I know the answer to questions to all of the above.......But I wont waste my time educating a internet troll on hormones, and the difference between steroids and prohormones.You are just a guy who is probably 35 lives with his mother, and has really not life.
First you say that the picture of the fat guy with a goatee  the cowboy hat was you, then you said it wasn't?
I am guessing it was....Van, If you don't know the difference between a prohormones and a steroid, then your alot dumber then I thought you were.I bet you IQ, is about 60-72, tops.
Van unlikes you I post pics of what I look like and who I am, because unlike you I am reputable......Your just an internet troll with a big mouth.If we met in person you would have your tail between your legs like a scared dog, that was going to get a beating for shitting on the rug............

[wes]

Good luck John,train hard!!

[Van_Bilderass]

Van, I know the answer to questions to all of the above.......But I wont waste my time educating a internet troll on hormones, and the difference between steroids and prohormones.

Alright, why not educate Tim then. He isn't anonymous, has posted pics and probably has a high IQ.

Here's the question:

so therefore, it's the effectiveness of a drug that determines if it is natural?   So Anavar is more natural than Anabol?  And Androgel is more natural than Anavar

[jude2]

ok, she was DQed, but neither that link nor the npcnewsonline website says why she was disqualified.  It's unlikely that only one person out of over 200 would have failed the drug test.

Agreed, but they only test the top 2 in each class like I said.

[timfogarty]

Alright, why not educate Tim then. He isn't anonymous, has posted pics and probably has a high IQ.

Let me reiterate:

Natural or drug free bodybuilding is not using any performance enhancing substance.  The purpose of taking prohormones is  as a performance enhancing substance.  Large amounts of caffeine right before a workout is a performance enhancing substance.   

[GetItOnNY]

Van, Androgel, that is a presciption is not considered Natural, neither is Anavar.
I am going to make this short and to the point.A Hundai and a Ferrari are both cars, they both drive you were you want to go.The difference is how fast you will get there.Pro-Hormones, naturally raise testosterone, Steroids, are testosterone,.
I don't care what these companies say, unless they are "spiking " there prohormones with steroids, pro hormones aren't even 5% as effective as steroids.Just like the Hundai, and the Ferrari, comparison.Both are cars, but one is so much more powerful then the other.
Prohormones will raise testosterone for a short period of time, but steroids, take your testosterone to beyond levels that are normal.
The bottom line is this most Pro- Hormones are just DHEA, Tribulus, or Longfolia with a fancy name attached to it.
There are some strong Pro -hormones out there like 4chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4diene-3,17-diol,....... Estra-4 9-Diene -3 17 Dione,....... or 13-ethyl-3methoxy-gona-2 5(10)-diene-17-one, which are strong, but aren't nearly as effective as Testosterone or Trenbalone.
These prohormones will give you good Gaines, but like I said before they are limited.
Plus 80% of Americans PH is off, so half the time the capsule they are taking doesn't fully absorb in the body.
Americans have very poor PH and lack of Digestive enzymes, thats why they are fat and bloated, at 30 years old.

Tim your right, even large amounts of Caffiene and stimulants can enhance performance......But there is a diffrence between enhancing something, compared to taking it to unsurpassed levels.Steroids, take the body to unsurpassed levels.....Supplements just enhance performance.

[Krankenstein]

you are not natural, neither is "drugfreeforlife" rofl.. You use prohormones, no difference from regular hormones.

I'm not huh?  Care to expand on that MAxx?  Seriously....tell me.  I am allll ears.  The LAST time I ever used a prohormone was back in the 90's.....1st time was a bottle of Androstendione from AST.....second (and last one) was about 97' and it was Ultimate Nutrition's Nor-19.  So...if you really think that will have the SLIGHTEST bit of carry over for me in 2005 when I won my pro card.....and then 2006 when I competed in my first pro show, then in 2008 when I did my second one.....you are a bigger retard than I think you are already.

Oh...in addition, when I got stuff from John he made ABSOLUTELY sure nothing he was sending me was banned by the WNBF/INBF.  So, he is very conscious about anyone using his products and what organization they compete in. 

[nolotil]

I'm not huh?  Care to expand on that MAxx?  Seriously....tell me.  I am allll ears.  The LAST time I ever used a prohormone was back in the 90's.....1st time was a bottle of Androstendione from AST.....second (and last one) was about 97' and it was Ultimate Nutrition's Nor-19.  So...if you really think that will have the SLIGHTEST bit of carry over for me in 2005 when I won my pro card.....and then 2006 when I competed in my first pro show, then in 2008 when I did my second one.....you are a bigger retard than I think you are already.

Oh...in addition, when I got stuff from John he made ABSOLUTELY sure nothing he was sending me was banned by the WNBF/INBF.  So, he is very conscious about anyone using his products and what organization they compete in.  

you have used pro hormones ..thus you are not a natural athlete and never will be. end of story. so its hypocritcal to be using a nickname such as drugfree4life, which you arent.

[timfogarty]

Tim your right, even large amounts of Caffiene and stimulants can enhance performance......But there is a diffrence between enhancing something, compared to taking it to unsurpassed levels.Steroids, take the body to unsurpassed levels.....Supplements just enhance performance.

I, and all the international anti-doping agencies, disagree.

[GetItOnNY]

 nolotil,,,,,, I mean tool.....First of all Androstene is not a steroid.If you look at the molecular structure its closer to DHEA then its is to testosterone.So people who take DHEA druggies to?
Plus oral Androstene, actually shut down more guys then it helped.I was one of them.I took, 50 mg, it made me weaker, then I went to 100mg, and even 200mg, and all it did was shut me down.
Its was the Original Androstene in the white bottle.
Now in the 1970's they did use injectable Androstene, and a nasal spray Androstene, which I would question those being considered natural.Even though Androstene will never ever be as strong as testosterone.
To call a person who did Andostene a drug user is like calling a person who only drinks a glass of wine for dinner for health reason an alcoholic.Its stupid, and uncalled for.
Androstene at best is not even 5% as strong a testosterone, trust this I know
Androstene was over rated, and should have never been banned.
Believe it or not, I think Dhea, is just as effective in my opinion.
Plus, I hate to pop your bubble, but 80-90% of the Androstene products out there were DHEA, being called Androstene.The reason for this is, Andostene was expensive, and hard to get.
I found this out because I was wondering how some companies were sellling there Androstene  cheaper to stores then I could make the product.How could this happen???
It wasn't Andostene, it was DHEA.......Why do you think there is now a GMP manufacturing facilities now popping up? Because people are tired of buy Androstene and getting DHEA, They are tired of buying Creatine Ethyl Ester, and just getting Creatine monohydrate.So now companies like myself, make our products in GMP approved plants so we can make sure the customer gets what they pay for.

[timfogarty]

So people who take DHEA druggies to?

they're not druggies.  that implies someone who has a drug problem.  a person who takes DHEA is simply a drug user.  And if they belong to an organization that follows the World Anti-Doping regulations, they are in violation of their orgs rules.

To call a person who did Andostene a drug user is like calling a person who only drinks a glass of wine for dinner for health reason an alcoholic.

again, an alcoholic is someone who has an alcohol problem.  a person who drinks a glass of wine is simply an alcohol user.

a bodybuilder who has used prohormones, even DHEA, is simply not a drug free bodybuilder.

[WillGrant]

nolotil,,,,,, I mean tool.....First of all Androstene is not a steroid.If you look at the molecular structure its closer to DHEA then its is to testosterone.So people who take DHEA druggies to?
Plus oral Androstene, actually shut down more guys then it helped.I was one of them.I took, 50 mg, it made me weaker, then I went to 100mg, and even 200mg, and all it did was shut me down.
Its was the Original Androstene in the white bottle.
Now in the 1970's they did use injectable Androstene, and a nasal spray Androstene, which I would question those being considered natural.Even though Androstene will never ever be as strong as testosterone.
To call a person who did Andostene a drug user is like calling a person who only drinks a glass of wine for dinner for health reason an alcoholic.Its stupid, and uncalled for.
Androstene at best is not even 5% as strong a testosterone, trust this I know
Androstene was over rated, and should have never been banned.
Believe it or not, I think Dhea, is just as effective in my opinion.
Plus, I hate to pop your bubble, but 80-90% of the Androstene products out there were DHEA, being called Androstene.The reason for this is, Andostene was expensive, and hard to get.
I found this out because I was wondering how some companies were sellling there Androstene  cheaper to stores then I could make the product.How could this happen???
It wasn't Andostene, it was DHEA.......Why do you think there is now a GMP manufacturing facilities now popping up? Because people are tired of buy Androstene and getting DHEA, They are tired of buying Creatine Ethyl Ester, and just getting Creatine monohydrate.So now companies like myself, make our products in GMP approved plants so we can make sure the customer gets what they pay for.

I disagree with you , Nolotil is right , prohormones give the person the "power" to alter there hormone profile and in the case we used them for in BB - performence enhancement just like drugs.
Sure those earlier ones may have not been as strong as the current day ones or like 1ad or 1test but we also have weak steroids that dont work as well for PE but if someone takes them does this in your eyes mean they havent taken steroids?