Author Topic: Shawn Ray on Dorian Yates... (Read 165682 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #150 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:14:46 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:10:42 AM

what is ironic about ND's statement is that in 94 at least, shawn was better conditioned than dorian and had better balance and proportion (torn bi anyone?)

LOL

No calves anyone? NO back width anyone? narrow calvicles anyone? 205lbs anyone?

Shawn wasn't better conditioned than Dorian either

James28 · « **Reply #151 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:14:54 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:11:42 AM

considering how awful dorian looks and how great shawn looks, no doubt you wish it were..

but that is typical of 1994. shawn at his best, dorian at his arguable worst.

just ....

Hulkster · « **Reply #152 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:15:09 AM »

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From the people LIVE in the audience there was never any doubt or never any real contest for first place

ironically, many contest reporters who were also there beg to differ with you on that one.

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #153 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:15:51 AM »

Here is another side triceps pic.Still dorian's triceps looks flat.

James28 · « **Reply #154 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:18:45 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:15:09 AM

ironically, many contest reporters who were also there beg to differ with you on that one.

Blanket statement if I've ever seen one. The judges knew Dorian won, the fans in attendance knew, the magazines knew. Seriously dude, what's your fucking issue with Dorian? Go on then, let's see those links where the reporters claim Dorian didn't deserve to win.

Hulkster · « **Reply #155 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:19:21 AM »

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No calves anyone? NO back width anyone? narrow calvicles anyone? 205lbs anyone?

horrible torn arm anyone?

67 inch waist anyone?

getting owned by the 7th and 11th place competitor anyone?

LOL LOL LOL

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #156 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:19:53 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:15:09 AM

ironically, many contest reporters who were also there beg to differ with you on that one.

Yeah they beg to differ with you as well but you tend to overlook that hypocrite

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

thanks for playing save yourself the excuses they've been corrected many times already

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

Even Dorian didn't think Shawn was in second

Quote Jim Rockell one of the chair of the I.F.B.B. Judging committe on Dorian at the 1994 Mr Olympia

Audience members heartily disapproved of Levrone's third place finish in the Mr Olympia contest.

Said Manion : My score sheet was identical to the final results. Dorian (Yates' ) size and rear blew everyone else away. Shawn ( Ray ) was in great shape but couldn't top Dorian this time. The same is true with Kevin , Paul Dillett seemed to be holding water. If Kevin and Paul came in top shape , they would have been right up there.

Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.

Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).

Do I really need to continue?

Hulkster · « **Reply #157 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:20:50 AM »

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Go on then, let's see those links where the reporters claim Dorian didn't deserve to win.

go and grab the 94 olympia musclemag.

pay close attention to the comments in the muscle go round section in the beginning of the magazine.

enjoy. LOL

they coined the phrase "one armed bandit" to describe dorian that year hahaha

how right they were..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #158 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:21:48 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:19:21 AM

horrible torn arm anyone?

67 inch waist anyone?

getting owned by the 7th and 11th place competitor anyone?

LOL LOL LOL

His whole arm was torn? really?

when did that happen?

Hulkster · « **Reply #159 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:23:35 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 06, 2010, 10:21:48 AM

His whole arm was torn? really? when did that happen?

probably when he was trying to deadlift 12 pounds precontest LOL

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #160 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:23:38 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:20:50 AM

go and grab the 94 olympia musclemag.

pay close attention to the comments in the muscle go round section in the beginning of the magazine.

enjoy. LOL

they coined the phrase "one armed bandit" to describe dorian that year hahaha

how right they were..

Where are all the people who claimed? that's one person that means ZERO from the multiple quotes I posted above

Hulkster · « **Reply #161 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:25:19 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2010, 10:15:51 AM

Here is another side triceps pic.Still dorian's triceps looks flat.

notice how well conditioned shawn was that you can see his glute striations from the side (no homo)

dorian was not to that level of dryness that year.

as much as the nuthuggers will hate to admit it, shawn had better conditioning that year.

and it shows in every single shot.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #162 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:27:37 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2010, 10:15:51 AM

Here is another side triceps pic.Still dorian's triceps looks flat.

So you had this pic yet decided not to post it? how about this one?

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #163 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:28:20 AM »

Before Dorian there was never a winner of mr.Olympia and any other major title in all the history of BB with a distended stomach.Dorian was the first and he should have been penalized for that.Aesthetics is part of the criteria.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #164 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:29:57 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:25:19 AM

notice how well conditioned shawn was that you can see his glute striations from the side (no homo)

dorian was not to that level of dryness that year.

as much as the nuthuggers will hate to admit it, shawn had better conditioning that year.

and it shows in every single shot.

Hahahahaha you liked Shawn ass more that year to he should have won , great logic.

but hey you do love your ebony asses no homo LMFAO

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #165 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:31:51 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 06, 2010, 10:27:37 AM

So you had this pic yet decided not to post it? how about this one?

From that angle you can't see how flat was Dorian's triceps.And this is a side triceps pose!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #166 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:33:13 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2010, 10:28:20 AM

Before Dorian there was never a winner of mr.Olympia and any other major title in all the history of BB with a distended stomach.Dorian was the first and he should have been penalized for that.Aesthetics is part of the criteria.

So is density , so is balance , so is proportion , so is bulk so is posing lots of parts to the criteria NO ONE fits them all but Dorian did better than most

you can't pick and choose which part of the criteria to judge while ignoring the rest NOT how it works'

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #167 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:37:02 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2010, 10:31:51 AM

From that angle you can't see how flat was Dorian's triceps.And this is a side triceps pose!

from the angle you posted you couldn't evebn see Dorian posed yet

he has a flat tricep now huh? sure he does

you can't see Shawn's calves ( which the judges look for in every pose ) you can't see the muscular bulk he's carrying ( maybe because he's 205 lbs ) you can see his short legs and high calves , you can see his long torso I mean I can continue

NO ONE and I mean no one touches Dorian in the side triceps ( or lats spreads , and ab-thigh and lol )

Royal Lion · « **Reply #168 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:40:48 AM »

Dorian had the best side tri ever imo...

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #169 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:44:06 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on February 06, 2010, 10:40:48 AM

Dorian had the best side tri ever imo...

Absolutely it's not in question just like his lat spreads and his ab-thigh and every pose

The Flexonline pic is from 1994 and some pics of Yates I see from 1997 I'm like he should have lost than others like that side tricep it's business as usual

What's funny is they always bitch about his arms , yet NO ONE can match him in this pose , they always bitch about his waist yet NO ONE can touch him in the ab-thigh I means all of these ' advantages ' yet they don't have a better pose when all is said and done

what's what makes Dorian unique

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #170 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:48:31 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on February 06, 2010, 10:40:48 AM

Dorian had the best side tri ever imo...

IMO it was Kevin.However,Dorian had great side triceps in 93 and 95,but his triceps were flat in 94 and 96.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #171 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:48:45 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on February 06, 2010, 10:19:21 AM

horrible torn arm anyone?

67 inch waist anyone?

getting owned by the 7th and 11th place competitor anyone?

LOL LOL LOL

Yeah, getting owned alright

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #172 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:52:55 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2010, 10:48:31 AM

IMO it was Kevin.However,Dorian had great side triceps in 93 and 95,but his triceps were flat in 94 and 96.

Kevin's calves were ' flat ' all years $:-\$

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #173 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:54:38 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on February 06, 2010, 10:33:13 AM

So is density , so is balance , so is proportion , so is bulk so is posing lots of parts to the criteria NO ONE fits them all but Dorian did better than most

you can't pick and choose which part of the criteria to judge while ignoring the rest NOT how it works'

Balance and proportion is a single part of the criteria isn't it?Dorian didn't have the best proportions.He had the second best back in the history combined with a pair of lagging arms.His quads were also lagging for the era(both in size and details)His pecs were not very good as well.

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #174 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:56:33 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2010, 10:54:38 AM

Balance and proportion is a single part of the criteria isn't it?Dorian didn't have the best proportions.He had the second best back in the history combined with a pair of lagging arms.His quads were also lagging for the era(both in size and details)His pecs were not very good as well.

And his gut alone destroyed his proportions imo...