Yes,you are the only one who know that the judges toss out the high and low scores,lol.Your parade of knowing how the contests are judged is becoming annoying...By the way according to Nasser some judges had Dorian as low as 4th in 97...
Shawn didn't want the rules to be bend for him,what he wanted was the original criteria(the one that existed since the beginning of the sport until the fateful 1994 when it was bended to suit Dorian) back.
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion to his quads,name it how you want either they were too big for them or his quads were small for his calves.How big his calves should be if he ever was able to build thighs like Cutler or Warren and keep his proportions at the same time?And no mr.O since Colombo in 81 had that lack of vastus separation.
Keep that length of legs for the modelling competitions, in bodybuilding the muscular development is more important than the bone lenth,unless you are a "genetic disaster"like Paco Bautista it's not of major importance how long your legs are,and I don't think that was the case with Shawn.You are trying to compare some real flaws of Dorian's physique(e.g.distended stomach,torn biceps)with some minor genetic imperfections(if at all)of Shawn's physique.Other than calves,Shawn was as close to perfection as anyone could be.
It all comes down as to who was better overall on that particular day and at the 1994 mr.Olympia it was Shawn Ray.
You still keep pointing out on Dorian's posing and dryness,even though Dorian was a stiff poser and he himself admitted a water retention in 94.
Yes,you are the only one who know that the judges toss out the high and low scores,lol.Your parade of knowing how the contests are judged is becoming annoying...By the way according to Nasser some judges had Dorian as low as 4th in 97...
Of course it's becoming annoying to you because you're being corrected. And wow according to Nasser
according to Nasser all pros use synthol yet he never did , he's the last person you wanna quote and let's say it's true it brings us back to the high & low scores are tossed out so he could have been in ' fourth ' and still finished first again read a book or two
Shawn didn't want the rules to be bend for him,what he wanted was the original criteria(the one that existed since the beginning of the sport until the fateful 1994 when it was bended to suit Dorian) back.
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion to his quads,name it how you want either they were too big for them or his quads were small for his calves.How big his calves should be if he ever was able to build thighs like Cutler or Warren and keep his proportions at the same time?And no mr.O since Colombo in 81 had that lack of vastus separation.
You don't even know this criteria no matter what you call the ' original ' criteria and more stupidity on your behalf the criteria that is used now is NOT the same criteria used since the beginning , the criteria used to include dental examines onstage ! in Reeves day if a contest was deemed to close to call they had both contestants do gymnastics , you don't know the criteria now of before so stop embarrassing yourself trying to act knowledgeable
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion with his quads says you and we already established what you know , nothing. his proportions weren't perfect but eons better than Shawn Ray and he didn't lack separations of the Vastus in fact he tore that muscle in 1994 so it was obscured if you're claiming his quads looked like Franco's did in 1981 you're even more stupid then I thought
Keep that length of legs for the modelling competitions, in bodybuilding the muscular development is more important than the bone lenth,unless you are a "genetic disaster"like Paco Bautista it's not of major importance how long your legs are,and I don't think that was the case with Shawn.You are trying to compare some real flaws of Dorian's physique(e.g.distended stomach,torn biceps)with some minor genetic imperfections(if at all)of Shawn's physique.Other than calves,Shawn was as close to perfection as anyone could be.
Hahahahaha yeah keep the better structure and balance & proportion to modeling competitions ( which FYI bodybuilding contests are ) this is the part where you're willing to overlooks Shawn's numerous flaws out of preference , he doesn't have to live up to the standards others do because his small high calves are ' genetic ' biased anyone? Shawn doesn't have to meet the criteria of clavicle width because it's genetic or height
give me a break.
close to perfection? hahahahahaha more biased delusion Shawn's physique is not even close to perfect he's lacking way to much and just because you're willing to overlook doesn't mean the judges were .
Let me explain to you again how contests are judged.
All rounds are physique rounds this means in every single pose all of the judging criteria is assessed at once , including muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation , this applies to all rounds including the muscularity round , symmetry round and ( back then ) posing rounds
So while Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet the all better which is exactly how contests are judged. who satisfies the ALL of the criteria better
You can say how can Shawn Ray lose the symmetry round to Dorian Yates when clearly Shawn is more ' symmetrical ' I'll explain exactly how and why he lost. Symmetry is a broad and misleading term in this sport and means a lot of things to a lot of people. in includes having a small waist , small joints , great taper , small hips which is part of the reason Flex Wheeler is known as the Sultan of Symmetry despite not having the greatest balance and structure.
That is where the other part of the criteria comes into play , such as height ( height counts in a contest of the genetically elite ) torso length ( if one has a short torso , long torso or a medium one ) arm length ( in relation to the torso ) leg length ( compared to the torso and to others , Shawn has short legs , Ronnie has long ones ) then there is proportion between the muscles ( Shawn has short calves that insert high , Dorian has low ones ) muscle length , clavicle width ( narrow like Shawn and super wide like Wolf )
When people say Shawn has better symmetry than Dorian technically they're right if their speaking on that context alone but not right when all things are assessed. Directly compared to Dorian it's obvious Shawn has smaller waist & hips and smaller joints ( relatively speaking of course ) but he's also shorter ( height plays a role ) he also has short legs , a long torso and high insertions in his calves , along with narrow clavicles , so while he may meet part(s) of the symmetry better than Dorian he loses ground when everything is applied because
All rounds are physique roundsIn the symmetry round the judges look who meets the criteria better in muscular bulk along with symmetry/balance & proportion. So while Shawn has a smaller waist & hips and smaller joints , he's down on balance & proportion and now muscular bulk. Now muscular bulk doesn't mean much if it's bulk for the sake of bulk. The judges like conditioned muscular bulk which is exactly why Shawn could beat guys who carried much more muscular bulk than him. And muscular bulk is a relative term and an absolute one as well.
Shawn was like a mini-mass monster he carried 205 pounds on a frame around 5'7" roughly the same weight as Lee Labrada who weighed around 190 pounds in contest shape. So if it were Shawn vs Lee , Shawn would have the advantage in muscular bulk because both were usually dead on the money in terms of conditioning and Shawn weighed more and looked physically bigger. However Dorian was 3" taller and in 1994 weighed 262 pounds and was hard as nails. There is a very big difference ( no pun ) on 262 pounds and 205 pounds even on a relative scale. So ontop of having better balance & proportion , Dorian also has a clear advantage in terms of muscular bulk and remember everything is judged at once , so just because Shawn meets part(s) of symmetry better he's losing on all counts so far
Which leads us to density & dryness , Shawn was usually very well conditioned and very dense & dry for his size , it's easy to be dense & dry when you're 205 pounds and a WHOLE other story when you're 262 pounds. The heavier one becomes the harder it is to retain that density which is the absence of intramuscular fat so what you're left with is just pure muscle. There is a huge difference between two guys who are both the same height and weight and one who is dense and one who's not. Which is why the combo of density & size are highly prized in competitive bodybyuilding.
So Shawn was usually very good with density & dryness he wasn't better than Dorian in this area. Perfect example he tried to compete heavier ( 215 pounds ) at one contest and his conditioning suffered for it. Dorian wins not only muscular bulk and balance & proportion now he wins density & dryness ( remember Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better but he loses when ALL of it is applied )
Now we can move on to posing & presentation. A lot of people always scratched their heads wondering how Dorian could win the symmetry round and well as the posing rounds. Now you have your answer
All rounds are physique rounds Shawn is a very good poser and very good at presenting his physique to it's best advantage but so is Dorian and in any posing round or symmetry round the judges are looking at muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion so Dorian wins any round and any pose simply because he satisfies ALL of the criteria better than Shawn and any of his contemporaries
So when you type Shawn should have beat Dorian in 1994 it really means you're ignorant on how contests are judged and/or you simply prefer the way Shawn looks over Dorian .
According to how contests are judged Dorian clearly beat Shawn in 1994.
