Shawn Ray on Dorian Yates...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Brutal ownage of Ray by Yates in 1996 

[Royal Lion]

Dorian's conditioning was spot on during 96.  IMO he wasn't as full as 95, but his waist looked small and he was very, very dry.  ND, what was his weight in 96 compared to 95?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian's conditioning was spot on during 96.  IMO he wasn't as full as 95, but his waist looked small and he was very, very dry.  ND, what was his weight in 96 compared to 95?

Depending on the source he was 260 in 95 and 255 in 1996

[Royal Lion]

For some reason I always thought we was heavier in 96, but it makes sense that he was lighter.  I know they've been posted before, but here are the 96 vids.

[RocketSwitch625]

This video of DY's 96 posing routine is super clear and much much better than the other shitty quality clip that someone posted on Youtube a while back. How can anyone argue who deserved to win after watching this?

[Tarantula157]

I love how internet warriors such as Hulkster and Tarantula, who never saw Dorian in person, sit here and pick apart Dorian based on pics and somehow disbelieve what judges, fellow competitors, and industry experts--who actually saw Dorian--say.

Watch this video and tell me that Dorian's bicep should have kept him from winning...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#

How did you figured out that I've never seen Dorian in person,did I tell you?FYI I've seen him!I've never been to the Olympia,but I've been to some European Grand Prix competitions and at various times I've seen also Ronnie,Cutler and Dexter,the last two before winning the Olympia,and many other pro's!
In 95 Dorian was in an excellent condition-he was hard,dry,his abdomen was tighter than the year prior and he had better muscle separation and more details.I'm objective and I can say than he deserved the win.But 94 and 97 were different stories and everyone who is not in a blind love with Dorian can see that.

[Grape Ape]

This video of DY's 96 posing routine is super clear and much much better than the other shitty quality clip that someone posted on Youtube a while back. How can anyone argue who deserved to win after watching this?

Saw that contest live.  From the front, Nasser looked awesome.  When they turned around, it wasn't even close.

[Tarantula157]

Which is exactly my point you don't know the history of the sport. Again the first Olympias were NOT judged the same as the one in 1994 and the criteria has changed along with the physiques you don't know this and you don't know how contests are judged

A quote from an open letter from the IFBB Proffesional Division to All IFBB proffesional members(re:symmetry and natural aesthetics):"With a mandate from president Ben Weider,the Proffessional Committee and a team of experts advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development,such as size,shape,density,separation and definition,in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.
...These characteristics have been the HALLMARK OF A BODYBUILDERS PHYSIQUE FOR DECADES,and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.
DISTENDED ABDOMENS AND DISTORTED MUSCLES NEGATIVELY IMPACT UPON SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS AND,THEREFORE,DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL PHYSIQUE.ATHLETES AND JUDGES ARE ADVISED THAT MUSCLE SIZE AT THE EXPENCE OF SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS WILL NOT BE ASSESSED FAVOURABLY."

[NarcissisticDeity]

A quote from an open letter from the IFBB Proffesional Division to All IFBB proffesional members(re:symmetry and natural aesthetics):"With a mandate from president Ben Weider,the Proffessional Committee and a team of experts advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development,such as size,shape,density,separation and definition,in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.
...These characteristics have been the HALLMARK OF A BODYBUILDERS PHYSIQUE FOR DECADES,and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.
DISTENDED ABDOMENS AND DISTORTED MUSCLES NEGATIVELY IMPACT UPON SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS AND,THEREFORE,DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL PHYSIQUE.ATHLETES AND JUDGES ARE ADVISED THAT MUSCLE SIZE AT THE EXPENCE OF SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS WILL NOT BE ASSESSED FAVOURABLY."

wow I never seen that before  do you know when that edict was sent out?  and again the first Olympia were NOT judged the same as it was in 1994 I can tell you how they were judged but seeing you know please share with me the difference

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[Sherief Shalaby]

Depending on the source he was 260 in 95 and 255 in 1996

according to nasser:

"..Also, Dorian said he was 255LBS for the 1995 Olympia and that for the 96’ Olympia he had put on 2LBS. How is it possible to gain 2LBS more in size but look smaller at 257LBS than 255? When did he step on the scale – after breakfast, before going to the restroom?.."....

[Parker]

according to nasser:

"..Also, Dorian said he was 255LBS for the 1995 Olympia and that for the 96’ Olympia he had put on 2LBS. How is it possible to gain 2LBS more in size but look smaller at 257LBS than 255? When did he step on the scale – after breakfast, before going to the restroom?.."....

But he looked better than Nasser. How can one be about 280 at his height and have limited back detail..

[Sherief Shalaby]

But he looked better than Nasser. How can one be about 280 at his height and have limited back detail..

from the rear only.. from the front and the side dorian was nasser's bitch

[Parker]

from the rear only.. from the front and the side dorian was nasser's bitch

The back is a very big body part, to neglect that shows a lack of mind-muscle concentration, and not want to be complete, a la Paul Dillett.

[Sherief Shalaby]

The back is a very big body part, to neglect that shows a lack of mind-muscle concentration, and not want to be complete, a la Paul Dillett.

biceps, shoulders, abs, quads, chest are all very important parts and many guys were better than dorian in them!..

[Mr Nobody]

biceps, shoulders, abs, quads, chest are all very important parts and many guys were better than dorian in them!..

Hey Sheriff we need pics inside the roof gym, I cant see a thing because your back is blocking the door.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Hey Sheriff we need pics inside the roof gym, I cant see a thing because your back is blocking the door.

if i move a little bit you can see your grandpa doing squats inside

[noworries]

Shawn was under contract with Weider for 17yrs, from around the late 80's or early 90's.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson57.htm

I'm pretty sure he was under contract in 94 (pretty downright positive actually) when he was complaining about Dorian in print, in magazines and anywhere else where someone would listen to him.

Was wondering.  If people like Sean were under contract with Weider for that long, do they receive some sort of retirement package or benefits. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

according to nasser:

"..Also, Dorian said he was 255LBS for the 1995 Olympia and that for the 96’ Olympia he had put on 2LBS. How is it possible to gain 2LBS more in size but look smaller at 257LBS than 255? When did he step on the scale – after breakfast, before going to the restroom?.."....

According to Nasser , everyone used snythol but he never did 

According to Lee Haney

[NarcissisticDeity]

biceps, shoulders, abs, quads, chest are all very important parts and many guys were better than dorian in them!..

NOT how it works on paper many should have better poses than him and they didn't

Ronnie has a super small waist & hips and a great back on paper he should have a better front latspread and he doesn't , same with the side triceps pose.

stop trying to accumulate parts because the sum doesn't always add up to the greatest whole

[Hulkster]

Ronnie has a super small waist & hips and a great back on paper he should have a better front latspread and he doesn't

yes he does, at least in top shape in 1999: thats the point. no matter what year of dorian you care to compare it to:

 

[Hulkster]

stop trying to accumulate parts because the sum doesn't always add up to the greatest whole

but it does: thats why he won 8 Mr. O's and an AC win, neither feats of which dorian could have ever duplicated..

[IceCold]

but it does: thats why he won 8 Mr. O's and an AC win, neither feats of which dorian could have ever duplicated..

all that matters is that yates beat ronnie during the years DORIAN competed.

also, the arnold wasnt as quite as big back then as it is now, but besides, you can win the arnold 10 times and never an olympia and you will not be recognized as all time great.

all that matters is that yates beat better bbers in the prime than ronnie ever faced.  - thats the biggest difference.  ronnie was battling gunter and gustavo (AND LOSINGIN THE CHALLENGE ROUND), while yates faced a prime, levrone, ray, wheeler, nasser, etc.

example:  randy couture has only 18 wins as a pro fighter.  travis fulton (who?, exactly) has almost 200 wins.  most of randy's wins are against other top fighters, where as travis fulton wins are mostly against people like yourself.

the total is irrelevant - its who its against that matters.


owned.

[NarcissisticDeity]

but it does: thats why he won 8 Mr. O's and an AC win, neither feats of which dorian could have ever duplicated..

Against who? ho-hum competition? Dorian never place below second in ANY pro contest , was only second twice in his whole pro career and just won whatever he entered Ronnie never did that , Dorian dominated in a way Ronnie never did against much better competition

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes he does, at least in top shape in 1999: thats the point. no matter what year of dorian you care to compare it to:

 

Sorry Dorian owns the front latspread Dorian is massive everywhere

Bigger , harder , drier and higher quality , better lat-sweep and you can see Dorian's lats Ronnie's are barely wider than Flex & Chris