I never made shit up he never committed to an answer in he eluded to one but took the high road by not saying it outright and in the end that quotes doesn't mean a God damn thing because the other two he clearly says Dorian would beat him , definitively no eluding , no hinting around , so either way you're fucked. Yates said in MD " I guess I don't know " so heed your own advice and quit making stuff up
supposedly darkened? how about proven manipulated ( not all of them mind you ) how about all the morphed picture Hulkster has been using for eons? you're bitching about people using pictures at only one side don't be a hypocrite and forget that pic we have a whole series when he was 269 pounds and you can clearly see how great he his overall , no wait you can't see with your head stuck so far up Ronnie's bottom.
Oh yeah Dorian only looked good in black & white shots never onstage compared to the best of the best
B/W pics have undergone a manipulation of sorts. Deal with that. Unless you are a sheepdog I will not acknowledge one-off 280lb '95 pics of Dorian with way more contrasted and shadowy lighting than you'd ever find on an Olympia stage. Maybe he was the greatest ever at 269lb in '93 but unfortunately for him, and in the least gay way possible, no judges ever got to observe his rear lower conditioning from the back under stage lighting. You must understand that makes a difference? How many guys are in shape in the dressing room but not onstage? You never address this so I don't expect an answer.
Ronnie said Arnold would beat him, does that make it true? Does it mean a damn thing? If you'd be so kind as to post the full Dorian Q & A regarding Ronnie it seemed a lot clearer than you are making it sound.
I would never be so bold as to say Dorian wasn't insanely inspirational with amazing condition and looked great in colour also etc, but when we get into the nitpicking finer points of who is the greatest ever, then I think it's important we don't use single pictures from a
photoshoot from the front relatively far out from a show. Otherwise Victor Richards or Paul Dillet or someone should really win this debate. You and I both know there is more to it than this one shot, and that bringing it the day of the show is what makes or breaks competitors. Dorian was 12lb lighter onstage, and noticeably less full, although obviously looked dominant in that line-up, since he was so ahead of his time in so may ways.
I don't endorse morphed Ronnie pics, although I'm not sure which ones are 'morphed', certainly they haven't featured prominently in this debate, although I have seen them pop up. Perhaps the 'darkened' ones have, but like the screencaps from Markus Ruhl's legendary NOC win, it's not like someone has deliberately changed them, just as many screencaps appear faded or overly bright. Certainly the dramatic enhancing of contrast and darkening which creates a black and white pic is no less of a manipulation. My argument has always been that 2003 Ronnie is the one who would, for better or for worse, defeat 257lb Dorian by virtue of being noticeably more massive everywhere + more ripped hams and glutes.
Dorian was great, and it's a shame one has to remotely point fault in a legend to take part in this debate but don't you think it a little odd that the foundation of your argument lies in pics much more manipulated than any '99 screencaps? You can attempt to counter this with Kevin Horton quotes from photoshoots, then counter Neo Seminole's impressive list of quotes by saying quotes mean nothing. Whatever does it for you, but I'm gonna operate in the grounded reality of colour contest pics and colour video if it's okay with you, since online this is the closest we can get to reality.