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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #100 on: December 15, 2009, 04:46:05 PM »
Look at his sparring video though, he gasses within 2 min... and thats pure boxing no wrestling..

sure the dude is massive and strong, and due to that, he will run over alot of people, but if they can survive the first min , I think marious is Done, IF he doesn't change his strategy..

put him against shane carwin or someone like that that is about the same size and can box and you will see what I mean.

He might become good though, but to say NOW that he CAN become the best in the world, words cannot describe how retarded that is..

he doesn't seem to know how to box, no teqnucue in kicks, hands down by the waist when he kicks (a high kick would KO him) he has No wrestling skills at all, (brock doesn't have sub skills but he can keep and take ANYONE down because of his wrestling background) marious has none of that, sure he could lay on someone, but a wrestler would just stand right back up.

so if a big dude like mir takes him down, hes getting submitted within the first min...

Sure he can power out of submission the first 30 sec maby, but judging by his sparring video, then he will gass, and be unable to just power out and then get submitted.

I have a feeling they will put him against a few cans though to build the hype.

hopefully next time he shows a bit better teqnicue and I give him his props.

No doubt he hit him hard on the ground, but he needs to get better and focus on getting better if he wants to become good.
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Come on Swede you're judging him based on one video where he gasses in two minutes, during a sparring session none the less? There are vids of him on sherdog training and his cardio is great and he was complimented on it. You know you have a very weak argument when your basing your opinion on a sparring video. Guess what, every fighter gasses in sparring, even sherk and Fedor. Of course he wont beat a top ten fighter any time soon but with his athletisism and martial arts background he certainly does have potential to be good. Oh and I am a professional fighter and won the 2006 Canadian submission grappling championships so I have some fight knowledge behind my opinion.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #101 on: December 15, 2009, 04:48:41 PM »
Swede just can't get over his man crush Cock Chestnar being out of commission...

come into the light Swede, don't be afraid..
 

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #102 on: December 15, 2009, 04:50:28 PM »
It's a combination of all factors, but let's face it, Bob Sapp had NO fighting experience when he started fighting in Japan, he was just a big jacked dude, and at the same time that size and strength helped him win all the fights he won, because he sure didn't win them on skill... my point being if he didn't have his size or strength his record wouldn't be 10-6-1 (yes, that's 10 wins)

hell that's a better record then a lot of ufc guys.

I certainly agree man, Size and strength can win you fights with not much else. Nog was the number one HW and Sapp gave him hell. Nog goes about 240 lbs and Sapp made him look like a child.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #103 on: December 15, 2009, 05:34:33 PM »
I certainly agree man, Size and strength can win you fights with not much else. Nog was the number one HW and Sapp gave him hell. Nog goes about 240 lbs and Sapp made him look like a child.

Hence the reason for weight classes, just look at how much trouble someone like Penn had with GSP, who's only 20 lbs. bigger then him.

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #104 on: December 15, 2009, 10:38:20 PM »




Come on Swede you're judging him based on one video where he gasses in two minutes, during a sparring session none the less? There are vids of him on sherdog training and his cardio is great and he was complimented on it. You know you have a very weak argument when your basing your opinion on a sparring video. Guess what, every fighter gasses in sparring, even sherk and Fedor. Of course he wont beat a top ten fighter any time soon but with his athletisism and martial arts background he certainly does have potential to be good. Oh and I am a professional fighter and won the 2006 Canadian submission grappling championships so I have some fight knowledge behind my opinion.
You are correct.  Who knows if he did any heavy bag before that video or an hour of cardio or jump ropes or whatever.  This video might have been taken 2 hours into his workout.  He is very athletic for a person of his size and strength.I'd love to see him get really good and be a contender in the heavyweight.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #105 on: December 15, 2009, 11:05:02 PM »
LOL @ all you haters, for his first major fight he did better then Lesnar :) he actually won :)

and ROFL @ all you fighting experts out there (swede, americanbulldog, etc.) where are the videos on youtube of your fights tough guys ??



Okay, mr 15 years of muay thai.  ::)

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #106 on: December 16, 2009, 01:13:27 AM »
It's a combination of all factors, but let's face it, Bob Sapp had NO fighting experience when he started fighting in Japan, he was just a big jacked dude, and at the same time that size and strength helped him win all the fights he won, because he sure didn't win them on skill... my point being if he didn't have his size or strength his record wouldn't be 10-6-1 (yes, that's 10 wins)

hell that's a better record then a lot of ufc guys.


Bob Sapp also beat the (then) best kickboxer/standup fighter in the world--Ernesto Hoost.

Not once, but twice.

He did it on size alone--unless you consider NFL a fighting style.

Mass and strength is at least equal to skill and speed as a factor in fighting.

At a certain point, no amount of skill is going to overcome an incredible difference in strength if it's "anything goes".
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #107 on: December 16, 2009, 04:01:32 AM »
I don't know James, I don't think you can quantify, yet, what role strength has.

Strength may be the latest craze in MMA but I don't think it'll be possible to blitz your way in with pure size / strength, soon.  I think the guys with the technique are very quickly realising that they need to be stronger to compete.  Mir is already much larger, and going further (according to post fight). 

Also, In the early UFC there was a powerlifter who was beaten resoundingly with better technique.  Can't recall the names but he had no clue and his strength wasn't that useful.


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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #108 on: December 16, 2009, 04:17:24 AM »
I don't know James, I don't think you can quantify, yet, what role strength has.

Strength may be the latest craze in MMA but I don't think it'll be possible to blitz your way in with pure size / strength, soon.  I think the guys with the technique are very quickly realising that they need to be stronger to compete.  Mir is already much larger, and going further (according to post fight).  

Also, In the early UFC there was a powerlifter who was beaten resoundingly with better technique.  Can't recall the names but he had no clue and his strength wasn't that useful.



It seems like the natural progression of things.

Speaking of the older sport of boxing, fighters became stronger and taller. And now, today, they don't look anything like the fighters of Bob Fitzsimmon's era.
I think MMA is entering the same 'arm's race' now. Guys are going to keep getting bigger, until they are both strong and skilled.

One of the reasons I think strength is at least equal in value, is because you and I can both give examples showing either factor triumphing over the other.
And I also believe someone that is 7' and 300+ pounds will triumph over a 110 pound BJJ black belt more often than not.
However, when someone has both factors, they invariably win--this we can agree on.

You have to consider that, even fighters considered small are only small compared to other fighters.
In other words, they aren't big; however, they are 'big enough' to possess the power to KO other fighters.
Royce Gracie was small in relative terms; however, most average men are not 6'1" 175+ pounds, and athletic.
If Royce Gracie competed in the same tournament as 5'9" 150 pounds, he probably wouldn't have been as successful.

He was 'big enough'.
There is a catch-point at which guys can potentially hurt each other with decent probability.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #109 on: December 16, 2009, 05:00:23 AM »
Okay, mr 15 years of muay thai.  ::)
u suggsting that bouncing for 8 years does not account for "martial arts/ fighting " experience ?  :D

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2009, 05:08:56 AM »
u suggsting that bouncing for 8 years does not account for "martian arts/ fighting " experience ?  :D

What are these "Martian Arts" you speak of? :D

Sounds more like science fiction to me.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2009, 05:58:16 AM »
What are these "Martian Arts" you speak of? :D

Sounds more like science fiction to me.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #112 on: December 16, 2009, 06:30:12 AM »
I have great endurance, I bet I could crush Pudz.

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2009, 08:31:25 AM »
Okay, mr 15 years of muay thai.  ::)

You still haven't answered my question tough guy...where's all those vids of you tapping guys out on youtube ?!?!

come on, after all you **claim** to train and hang out with the top who's who of MMA, you're best friends with the Gracie's, know all the boys @ Chuteboxe, etc. you mean there's not one video or a record of one of your fights on youtube !?!?  I'm shocked..

and like I said before, I spent 15 years inbetween 4 different fighting arts, I started doing karate when I was around 14..etc, got into MT/kickboxing when I was in my early 20's... also when I started bouncing...you should really learn how to read.

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2009, 09:20:58 AM »
Minowaman, all 180 lbs tapped out Bob Sapp at 350 lbs in less than two minutes.

Fedor at 230 beat Zulu in 20 seconds and Zulu is about 6'6' 400 lbs. So I dont think Size and strength is yet equale to skill.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #115 on: December 16, 2009, 09:23:36 AM »
It seems like the natural progression of things.

Speaking of the older sport of boxing, fighters became stronger and taller. And now, today, they don't look anything like the fighters of Bob Fitzsimmon's era.
I think MMA is entering the same 'arm's race' now. Guys are going to keep getting bigger, until they are both strong and skilled.

One of the reasons I think strength is at least equal in value, is because you and I can both give examples showing either factor triumphing over the other.
And I also believe someone that is 7' and 300+ pounds will triumph over a 110 pound BJJ black belt more often than not.
However, when someone has both factors, they invariably win--this we can agree on.

You have to consider that, even fighters considered small are only small compared to other fighters.
In other words, they aren't big; however, they are 'big enough' to possess the power to KO other fighters.
Royce Gracie was small in relative terms; however, most average men are not 6'1" 175+ pounds, and athletic.
If Royce Gracie competed in the same tournament as 5'9" 150 pounds, he probably wouldn't have been as successful.

He was 'big enough'.
There is a catch-point at which guys can potentially hurt each other with decent probability.


I see what your saying and agree with you that Royce was "big enough" and that at 150 lbs he wouldnt have been able to pull it off.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2009, 12:13:38 PM »
LOL @ all you haters, for his first major fight he did better then Lesnar :) he actually won :)

and ROFL @ all you fighting experts out there (swede, americanbulldog, etc.) where are the videos on youtube of your fights tough guys ??



Not his first major fight, it was his first fight ever. I find no boxing ranking, no ranking at any sports but strongman, so he was starting quite low. And he win, just like that. All of those great fighters which you are comparing him right now has one common factor. There will be somebody who is better and in few years we will see if it is Mariuz. Some of you guys are sure that he will be loser and same kind of joke than Bob Sapp. I say you haven't seen anything, but you will see some serious ass kicking done by Mariuz. That kind of strength and agility in frames of 280lb guy is something you guys haven't seen yet in the ring, and when he gets his act together, there will be good fights to see.   

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2009, 12:17:58 PM »
Not his first major fight, it was his first fight ever. I find no boxing ranking, no ranking at any sports but strongman, so he was starting quite low. And he win, just like that. All of those great fighters which you are comparing him right now has one common factor. There will be somebody who is better and in few years we will see if it is Mariuz. Some of you guys are sure that he will be loser and same kind of joke than Bob Sapp. I say you haven't seen anything, but you will see some serious ass kicking done by Mariuz. That kind of strength and agility in frames of 280lb guy is something you guys haven't seen yet in the ring, and when he gets his act together, there will be good fights to see.   

It was the same thing with Brock 2 years ago, he was getting laughed at before his first UFC fight, oh, he'll never make it... bla bla bla...now all the Brock nuthuggers can't get enough of him, he's heavyweight UFC champ...but 2 years ago!? oh he's a wwe wrestler, etc.no one gave him a chance..

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2009, 04:03:51 PM »
Most fighters in the world are afraid of pudzi... I would like to see top fighters on a WSM competiton... they would be crushed... fucking tits!
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« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2009, 04:05:48 PM »
It was the same thing with Brock 2 years ago, he was getting laughed at before his first UFC fight, oh, he'll never make it... bla bla bla...now all the Brock nuthuggers can't get enough of him, he's heavyweight UFC champ...but 2 years ago!? oh he's a wwe wrestler, etc.no one gave him a chance..


I did.

and marious is 1/10th of as agile as lesnar is.

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« Reply #120 on: December 16, 2009, 04:45:21 PM »
i want to see marius grab an opponent and literally throw them out of the ring like Jackson did in Bloodsport

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« Reply #121 on: December 16, 2009, 06:02:45 PM »
I did.

and marious is 1/10th of as agile as lesnar is.


YOu dont know that, your speculating. Lesner is probably more agile but that gap isnt that big. Not nearly as big as Pudz strength advantage.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #122 on: December 16, 2009, 09:58:48 PM »
Brock had wrestling.  As far as I can tell, Mariusz had a couple of games of soccer from time to time.  I don't think you can draw the same parallels.

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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #123 on: December 17, 2009, 03:15:46 AM »

I see what your saying and agree with you that Royce was "big enough" and that at 150 lbs he wouldnt have been able to pull it off.

Yeah, it's a catch-weight.
And that would be a flabby 150 if we're talking real average man physique.
Like I said, we can both pull examples showing strength triumphing over skill and vice-versa.
Now imagine if there were never any weight classes in fight sports. All the fighters in existence would be around 175+.
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Re: Marius Pudzianowski MMA Fight Video(Knockout at 44 sec.)
« Reply #124 on: December 17, 2009, 04:04:55 AM »
Maruisz = very dangerous man :o