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« Reply #75 on: December 20, 2009, 09:49:10 AM »




How unconstitutional is Barack Obama?

1) Bailouts
The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the power to spend the taxpayer’s money. Without the consent of Congress, the President cannot legally spend taxpayer money.

    No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.

Two Presidents had a hand in the auto industry bailout: 1) President G. W. Bush by using TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) money authorized by Congress and 2) President Barack Obama, not using TARP funds, but declaring that he would use monies from somewhere, and do so with the authority and power of the Executive Branch. At the time, CNSNews.com correspondent Fred Lucas asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs where President Obama derived his authority to use taxpayer funds to bail out GM and Chrysler.

    I think the determination has been made both by the previous administration and the current administration that this assistance is legal, and our goal is to ensure that the taxpayers in any instance when this is used feel confident that it’s being done in a transparent and accountable way,” Gibbs said.

President Bush’s use of congressionally approved TARP funds is suspect also, although the money was “legislated” by Congress. The bug in the ointment is that the TARP funds were authorized only for use by the Treasury to purchase “troubled assets” from “financial institutions.” The auto industry does not qualify as a “financial institution.”

CNSNews.com once again seeks an answer, this time from House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer:

    The administration clearly believes it does have the authority to use some of the remaining TARP funds for the automobile industry,” Hoyer told Fred Lucas of CNSNews.com.

    I don’t know, technically. I would be kidding you to mouth some words on that, because I don’t know technically where that authority would be,” said Hoyer. “But my own view is that if it is perceived they don’t have that authority and it is perceived by the Congress they need to have that authority, the Congress would probably be willing to give that authority. But I don’t know technically the answer to that question.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) introduced a Bill in the House to give the President Constitutional authority for the bailouts. Sixty Senators were required to vote for the legislation to overcome a Senate filibuster. Those votes were not there and the legislation was dead.

Then comes the Time of Obama. There was no attempt to get the Senate Banking Committee to introduce the needed legislation.

Rep. Barney Frank washed his hands of all responsibility of the administration’s trampling the Constitution. Again, when CNSNews.com asked Frank about Obama’s intentions to do the bailout without Congressional approval, Frank allegedly said:

It’s an administration situation so I’m not very well informed on it,” Frank told Fred Lucas of CNSNews.com

Then the correspondent asked Frank if Obama’s promised guarantee of the auto warranties for GM and Chrysler needed “legislative authority,” Frank was even clearer in his answer:

    Do the words ‘I’m not very well informed on it’ have any meaning to you? Am I speaking a language you don’t understand?”

    It’s not something I’m focused on,” said Frank. “The committee, which I chair, keeps me busy. I have not had a chance to look at that. I do not have an informed opinion on it. It’s not my understanding that Congress is going to get to vote on it. So I tend to focus on things that are under the jurisdiction of the committee and that we’ll have to vote on. When things are neither, I don’t have a very well-informed opinion.

So much for constitutionally-mandated Congressional oversight.

Back in October 2008, the CATO Institute looks at the constitutionality of the auto bailouts. After exploring the fact that the government “created this crisis with everything from artificially low interest rates to political pressures for affordable housing, quick loans for bad credit risks, and the subsidization of agencies such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Nevertheless, CATO Institute’s chairman, Robert A. Levy, says, no, the bailout is not constitutional.

    The federal government has no constitutional authority to spend taxpayers’ money to buy distressed assets, much less to take an ownership position in private financial institutions. And Con­gress has no constitutional authority to delegate nearly plenary legislative power to the Treasury secretary, an executive branch official.Congress can proceed only from legitimate authority, not from good intentions alone. That means we must find a constitutional pedigree for each proposed law.

Levy then discusses the rationale of using the commerce clause to legitimize the spending, but he clearly decides that any reasoning for this position is a misinterpretation.

    Moreover, it is not a commerce clause argument to say that Congress created the mess and, therefore, Congress can do whatever it wants to fix the mess. Legislators’ misdeeds do not ipso facto justify the socialization of private banks, brokers, mortgage companies, and insurance companies-and who knows where it stops.

    Even if Congress could defend the bailout as a means of preventing interstate impediments to commerce, that would not legitimize any and all means.

Under the sub-heading No Intelligible Principle, Levy says (snippets):

    Indeed, the bailout quite clearly violates the Constitution’s separation-of-powers principle-in particular, what has become known as the nondelegation doctrine, which states that Congress may not delegate its legislative power to any other entity, including the Cabinet departments of the executive branch….A plain reading of that text shows that lawmaking is for the legislative branch, which does not include the Treasury Department. Yet when Congress authorized the bailout package, it gave Secretary Henry Paulson Jr. unprecedented power to act as a super-legislature.

    But Congress itself, not an executive official, must be accountable for the consequences of laws that Congress puts in place. That tenet has been a cornerstone of our Constitution for more than two centuries. John Locke got it right in his Second Treatise of Civil Government (1690): The separation-of-powers principle means that “the legislative [branch] cannot transfer the power of making laws to any other hands.” The legislative power, wrote Locke, is “to make laws, and not to make legislators.”

    Despite that sound advice, the Treasury secretary is now the one calling the shots as he partially nationalizes a significant sector of our economy.

Here’s the link again to Mr. Levy’s article.

2) Supreme Court

President Obama has expressed his desire to see his Supreme Court nominees embrace “empathy” in their decisions and opinions. Nevermind the the oath that a Justice swears to:

    I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”

There is no room for empathy when justice is blind and the poor and the rich have equal rights in the sight of the law of the land. While the U.S. Constitution does not provide the oath for a Supreme Court Justice, it does state that others “shall be bound by an oath or affirmation to support this constitution.”

Additionally, if the President keeps his oath of office, he will not require a Justice who uses “empathy” to decide a case, because empathy is unconstitutional and unfit for the U.S. Supreme Court:

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Appointing activist Judges to the Supreme Court is an avenue to interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing” document…an avenue for a Judge to insert personal opinion, maybe “empathy,” which is unlawful. The only way for the Constitution to take a breath is through an amendment. There is no other way. Outside of amendments, the Constitution is ageless, and it awaits it’s use as a service to all Americans, but not at the whim of an activist Judge.

Interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing document without amendments, renders it practically impotent, because it no longer has the power to protect our rights. Eminent domain is an excellent example.

3) The Czars

The appointment of the many “czars” by the Obama administration are unconstitutional. There’s the Car Czar, The Pay Czar, The Great Lakes Czar, a Cyber Czar, a Drug Czar, an Energy Czar, a Health Reform Czar, an Intelligence Czar, and a Tech Czar. The Czar Czar, of course, is Barack Obama. What is Obama’s Cabinet members doing these days? They’ve all been demoted and they know it and there’s not a thing they can do about it.

Here’s the problem with Czars. They report to no one but Barack Obama. They have far reaching powers and Congress cannot stop a single decision they make. What has happened to our egotistic Congress who has been so willingly hypnotised into giving up their grasp on EVERYTHING? Maybe it’s something in the water. So much for checks and balances. Barack Obama reigns.

Even Senator Robert Byrd, the longest-serving senator in history, hates the idea of Czar appointments. It’s dangerous he says. It gives the president too much power.

    In a letter to Obama on Wednesday, Byrd, a Democrat, said that the czar system “can threaten the Constitutional system of checks and balances,” Politico reported. Byrd added that oversight of federal agencies is the responsibility of officials approved by the Senate.

    As presidential assistants and advisers, these White House staffers are not accountable for their actions to the Congress, to cabinet officials, or to virtually anyone but the president,” Byrd wrote. “They rarely testify before congressional committees, and often shield the information and decision-making process behind the assertion of executive privilege. In too many instances, White House staff have been allowed to inhibit openness and transparency, and reduce accountability.

The wildly liberal CBS News, at the end of the article on Byrd, says:

    These days, however, Byrd’s comments have less force as he is no longer the chairman of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.

What does Byrd’s chairmanship or the lack of it have to do with the fact that it is unconstitutional to have presidential appointees making decisions about taxpayer monies without congressional oversight?

4) Government ownership in private business

The seizure of ownership of private business is unconstitutional. The government ownership of GM is unconstitutional. We’ve beat this horse to the ground. No need to say more.

5) Redistribution of Wealth

Engineering the redistribution of wealth in the GM stock debacle is unconstitutional. I’m not sure I have the latest figures, but nevertheless, it’s not good for shareholders who I believe end up with 10 percent of their investment or five cents on the dollar. The government gets 50 percent of the stock, about 87 cents on the dollar. The Unions get 40 percent ownership, plus $10 billion in cash – about 76 cents on the dollar. Doesn’t this make you want to throw-up and then find a quiet spot and grieve for our country?

6) Health Care

Obama’s health care plan is unconstitutional. The first thing that comes to mind is his plan to pay for his health care plan by taxing the wealthy to pay for it. Redistribution of wealth is unconstitutional in America. Then there’s the fact that he plans to put private business out of business to achieve his goal, which is simply power over all of us.

In the fall of 2008, Obama told Tom Brokaw that health care “should be a right for every American.” The Constitution says nothing about guaranteeing health care. BUT, Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. has introduced H.J. Res. 30 which calls for a Constitutional Amendment to establish “the right of citizens of the U.S. to health care of equal high quality.”

7) Interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing” document

The only way to make the Constitution take a breath occasionally is to amend it. The Constitution limits government, and to expand government, that expansion must be appropriate under the document,

That’s my six obviously unconstitutional steps taken by President Obama.

We live among idiots, and I guess, we are idiots because if we had the proper sense of outrage, we would sit on the steps of Congress until all of the above are overturned, or Barack Obama is impeached, whichever comes first.

Where are our Defending Fathers in Congress? They should be on the floor railing about these issues every single day, over and over. Are we…are they, really so willing to devalue our prized Constitution.

    From Thomas Paine:
    A constitution is not the act of a government, but of a people constituting a government, and a government without a constitution is power without right.’ ‘A constitution is a thing antecedent to a government; and a government is only the creature of a constitution.’

Think about that:

    “…operating the government without the Constitution “is a power without right.”

I as a “people” didn’t grant that power, neither did you, neither did Congress.

I ask this question: Who will limit the expansion of government? President Obama and the Executive Branch? Speaker Pelosi or Senate Majority Leader Reid? The Supreme Court? For the moment, The Supreme Court is the only chance we have. Once Sonia Sotomayor, an activist judge is confirmed, Ruth Bader Ginsberg will resign and then we have not one branch of government to stop the wild ride to Socialism. By the way, Socialism whether Americans want it or not, and I believe a huge majority do not want it, is unconstitutional. The preamble to the Constitution makes it clear:

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

(guarantees a republican form of governance)
I know there are other unconstitutional acts to add to this list, including: the budget an earmarks, the stimulus expenditures that do not create jobs, eminent domain, snatching rights designated only to states, and other unlawful federal rights granted that are clearly unconstitutional – such as “special interest” legislation. If you have thoughts about this or other additions, please leave them in comments. I’ll continue updating this list and give you credit, unless you prefer that I not. Help me compile a complete list. While the U.S. Constitution is not a living, breathing document, this post will be.

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #76 on: December 20, 2009, 09:53:21 AM »
I have already pointed out on multiple occasions that most of the shit the federal government is trying to do is unconstitutional, but unfortunatly most don't seem to have any respect for said document.
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #77 on: December 20, 2009, 10:34:16 AM »
I have already pointed out on multiple occasions that most of the shit the federal government is trying to do is unconstitutional, but unfortunatly most don't seem to have any respect for said document.

Just the fact alone that Obama and his fellow communist travelers in the Senate and house are trying to pass an individual mandate to purchase a  produc t from a private company under threat of jail is so wrong and outrageous on so many levels. 

Like I said early on, I hope this POFS fails miserably. 

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2009, 10:43:46 AM »
How unconstitutional is Barack Obama?

Hey Coach - where did you copy and paste this from?

BTW - didn't Bush do some of these things too?

To be fair shouldn't at least say "how unconstitutional are George Bush and Barack Obama"?


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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2009, 10:47:21 AM »
Hey Coach - where did you copy and paste this from?

BTW - didn't Bush do some of these things too?

To be fair shouldn't at least say "how unconstitutional are George Bush and Barack Obama"?



To equate bush with obama already shows what a complete disaster and disgrace Obama is. 

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2009, 11:12:06 AM »
To equate bush with obama already shows what a complete disaster and disgrace Obama is. 

I'm not equating Bush with Obama

I'm only showing the Coach how stupid the premise of his copy of paste job actually is

btw - you can find people on this site saying that Obama is a liberal/commie/marxist/muslim and then the next minute they're saying he's extending the Bush policies/worse than Bush etc...

The current state of the political landscape is pretty simple.

People that didn't like Obama when he was running still don't like him and some have completely just gone bat shit crazy with their hatred

Many people that liked Obama on the campaign trail are now disappointed that he's not been the liberal saviour they hoped he would be (even though he campaigned very much like a centrist)

Many people are just naive at how many compromises have to be made to get to that level and also to actually do that job

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2009, 11:46:58 AM »
At least bush gave a shit about the people and the country!

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2009, 12:19:45 PM »
At least bush gave a shit about the people and the country!

I guess it was out of love for his country Bush started an expensive-as-hell war in Iraq?


Look, I don't think Obama has been exactly awesome.

He's been "ok".

Considering the alternatives, he's neither great or bad this far.

His economical team has actually managed to keep the world going into a depression.

He didn't do it the way I think was the optimal way, but he's handled it - "ok".

But the whole argument about "at least bush gave a shit about the people and the country" just doesn't seem valid.

What makes you think so?

Bush enriched his corporate buddies instead of serving his fellow countrymen.

Obama is not much different - and the problem is IMO that everyone thought Obama to be some kind of totally new kind of politician.

Well - he's not. He's no better than most presidents.

Some people just need to face it - he ain't no Messiah.
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2009, 12:37:17 PM »
1)  Bailouts

Your argument seems to be that because it's not stated in the Constitution, it's unconstitutional.  It seems to me that since it's not prohibited by the Constitution, there isn't a problem.  And the money did come from the Congress.  I think we can agree that if there is a lack of congressional oversight, then it's a huge problem.

2)  Supreme Court

Agreed.  Justices have to be completely impartial.

3)  The Czars

Only "high ranking" government officials have to be approved by the Senate and those positions are spelled out by law since the Constitution is so vague.  We really have to take a common sense approach to this.  The government is so large that it's just not possible for the Senate to approve all appointees.  However, the President should be appointing responsible, experienced individuals with good character.  Some of his appointments make me cringe.

4)  Government ownership in private business

Discussed above.

5)  Redistribution of Wealth

Agreed.  It's just wrong.

6)  Health Care

Struggling with this issue myself and not sure.  But, something has to be done to correct the now defunct system.

7)  Interpreting the Constitution as a "living, breathing" document

Have no idea what that even means.

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #84 on: December 20, 2009, 02:10:55 PM »
To equate bush with obama already shows what a complete disaster and disgrace Obama is. 

That's not the issue here.  Is Obama aborting the constitution?  NO  Is Obama violating the constitution?  NO. 

So JME/Coach 's assertions fall flat and show just how much "hatred" clouds clear thinking with beliefs like:  If you love Obama you hate America.  How logically twisted is that?  (I might be asking the wrong guy here!   ;D)

Time will tell how Obama's presidency plays out.  After 1 year, and the mess that was left, who knows?  but its too early to tell.

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #85 on: December 20, 2009, 03:20:19 PM »

Again I ask you... where is your righteous indignation of Larry King or Barbara Walters?
You're pissed off at Oprah because she is the natural choice for a presidential interview?
Where was your anger when Barbara Walters got the first interview with the First Family?
Is Barbara Walters a racist self-hating Jew because she interviewed Obama instead of Bernanke?
i dont watch that bitch barbara walters ...as for larry king...he died 5 yrs ago ..just dosen't know it...
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You misread me. I'm not angry. Perplexed by your irrational stupidity, but not angry.

so my views are groundless...really...i didn't grow up in America and didn't learn my biases from whites...
i live in a 90% black populated county...
action...reaction..get it....i'm just reacting to what i see around me EVERY single facking day...ie.black people whining...now maybe black people are different where you live...but when drkaje visited me...he pretty much AGREED about my views on black people as they behave around where i live..and last i checked...jake is black

so there
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2009, 03:23:14 PM »

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Toxic Avenger's stock has increased 10 fold in the past few weeks. Initially I thought you were a typical whiny lib, but you have totally changed my perception of you.

Kudos.


look mang..i started off liking this obama character....but NOT changing ones views in the face of contradictory evidence makes me JUST as bad as religious fanatics..
evolution is all about changing ideas in the face of presented evidence..\
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2009, 04:01:56 PM »
its called evolving...

you should try it sometimes...

  you come to a thread I started and tell me you dont wanna talk to me...LMAO  ::)

...you quoted me when i was talking to someone else LOL. I was fucking around with ozmo. Did you get offended because i quoted this bolded part on page 1?

lemme ask you..HAS OPRAH EVER had a X-mas special for ANY prezident before?  Why?  

is this why you took a shot at me? you moron..i quoted this because i found this tidbit of information funny. Sheesh. you seem like the social awakward type.  :-\

eh...whatever not my fault

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2009, 06:15:00 PM »
...you quoted me when i was talking to someone else LOL. I was fucking around with ozmo. Did you get offended because i quoted this bolded part on page 1?

is this why you took a shot at me? you moron..i quoted this because i found this tidbit of information funny. Sheesh. you seem like the social awakward type.  :-\

eh...whatever not my fault

you were what i call collateral damage  :-\
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #89 on: December 21, 2009, 03:01:27 AM »
when Bush ws prez i saw white people with " i LOVE AMERICA" stickers on their cars
now that Obammer is prez i see a lot of blacks with " i LOVE OBAMA" stickers on their cars



i find  that there is something REALLY wrong with this......
Dude, i see more white people with I love Obama where I'm at...and many have NPR stickers as well. I haven't seen too many black folk with I love Obama

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #90 on: December 21, 2009, 03:13:33 AM »
i dont watch that bitch barbara walters ...as for larry king...he died 5 yrs ago ..just dosen't know it...
so my views are groundless...really...i didn't grow up in America and didn't learn my biases from whites...
i live in a 90% black populated county...
action...reaction..get it....i'm just reacting to what i see around me EVERY single facking day...ie.black people whining...now maybe black people are different where you live...but when drkaje visited me...he pretty much AGREED about my views on black people as they behave around where i live..and last i checked...jake is black

so there

well let me the first to enlighten you. At the risk of being accused of ... whatever... let me assure you that black people in DC are NOT necessarily representative of ALL Black people. In 1991, my sister went down to Baltimore MD to attend an event. she was instantly pegged as an out-of-towner and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was QUITE THE CULTURE SHOCK for her. DC is no different. I would suggest part of your issue is that you are associating with, and observing the wrong people. Maybe you should mingle in better neighbourhoods, with better classes of people.  :-\
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #91 on: December 21, 2009, 04:56:40 AM »
That's not the issue here.  Is Obama aborting the constitution?  NO  Is Obama violating the constitution?  NO. 

So JME/Coach 's assertions fall flat and show just how much "hatred" clouds clear thinking with beliefs like:  If you love Obama you hate America.  How logically twisted is that?  (I might be asking the wrong guy here!   ;D)

Time will tell how Obama's presidency plays out.  After 1 year, and the mess that was left, who knows?  but its too early to tell.

Ozmo - you are seriously blind.

Obama is in every aspect the worst of bush and worse.  And yes he is tearing the constutition to shreds.  What do you call mandating people purchase a private product from a private company by force of law or jail for the sole reason that your heart is beating?

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2009, 05:29:58 AM »
What do you call mandating people purchase a private product from a private company by force of law or jail for the sole reason that your heart is beating?

A huge flip flop. I call it a Hilary Clinton health care platform policy, one which Obama rejected during the primaries.
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« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2009, 05:34:30 AM »
A huge flip flop. I call it a Hilary Clinton health care platform policy, one which Obama rejected during the primaries.

Its awful and is basically giving the huge green light for even worse abuses by the inasurance companies.

We are now enslaved to them by force of law and jail.   

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« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2009, 06:27:55 AM »
i live in PG country maryland. one of the most black populated counties in the US
i see "i love obama" tee shirts and stickers almost on a daily basis

dont believe me....just visit...i'll buy you your own obama tee shirt...he's revered like jesus here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George's_County,_Maryland#Demographics

I was in PG about a month ago. I didnt see that either. I also live in Atlanta...still havent seen that. Right now i live in LA...and still havent see that...You my friend are full of shit

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #95 on: December 21, 2009, 06:30:40 AM »
Kinda boils down to if you love Obama you hate America. Obama and the libs have aborted the Consitution in every way.
Shut the fuck up...My brother is a Marine force recon who has been in Bosnia, east africa iraq and afg...He has put his life on the line many times for this country and he supports obama..Dont say no shit like that you fuckin peice of shit. You have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. Fuckin ass hole

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« Reply #96 on: December 21, 2009, 06:43:38 AM »
Shut the fuck up...My brother is a Marine force recon who has been in Bosnia, east africa iraq and afg...He has put his life on the line many times for this country and he supports obama..Dont say no shit like that you fuckin peice of shit. You have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. Fuckin ass hole

Lets put the nonsense aside Mal. 

This POFS-in-Chief is proomoting a horrific agenda that makes GWB look like George Washington. 

There is not one single policy this asswipe is pushing that you can defend, not one. 

Cap & Trade - Disaster.

Amnesty for illegals - Disaster.

Health Care - absolute abomination.

Wall Street - Disgraceful 

CZARS - Freaks, Geeks, Communists, and Maoists

Spending -  more than any president ever in the same time period.

Wars - No end in sight. 

Tell me Mal - what policy do you support and why?     

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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #97 on: December 24, 2009, 10:27:54 AM »
Dude, i see more white people with I love Obama where I'm at...and many have NPR stickers as well. I haven't seen too many black folk with I love Obama

dosen't make it any more right when white people make like 3rd world hugu chavez worshipping idiots either...

its just sooooooo much more fun to call black people on it cause its like "instant pannies in a bunch" ;D
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #98 on: December 24, 2009, 10:31:08 AM »
well let me the first to enlighten you. At the risk of being accused of ... whatever... let me assure you that black people in DC are NOT necessarily representative of ALL Black people. In 1991, my sister went down to Baltimore MD to attend an event. she was instantly pegged as an out-of-towner and stuck out like a sore thumb. It was QUITE THE CULTURE SHOCK for her. DC is no different. I would suggest part of your issue is that you are associating with, and observing the wrong people. Maybe you should mingle in better neighbourhoods, with better classes of people.  :-\


i agree with you here....but sorry PG county and most of DC is full of EXACTLY the kinda blacks that make the rest of black America look bad...and thats what i see ALL around me and have since 1992
normal blacks here are a minority...(PS when i talk black i mean american black..100% of Africans dont act like "chip on my shoulder" American blacks)
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Re: I love OBAMA vs i LOVE AMERICA
« Reply #99 on: December 24, 2009, 10:32:10 AM »
I was in PG about a month ago. I didnt see that either. I also live in Atlanta...still havent seen that. Right now i live in LA...and still havent see that...You my friend are full of shit

i've lived in PG since 1992......

i've seen plenty...

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