Central American Countries to present illegal immigration plan to U.S. Congress

[Soul Crusher]

Central American Countries will submit an immigration reform proposal to the United States
Univision ^ | December 20, 2009 | EFE

Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24:38 AM by Zhang Fei
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The Central American countries will present next year to the U.S. an immigration reform proposal focused on comprehensive care for thousands of immigrants from the region, Salvadoran Foreign Ministry announced today.

“For the first time Central America will have its own immigration reform instrument, which responds to the needs and aspirations of Central Americans living illegally in the U.S.,” said Vice Minister for Salvadorans abroad, Juan Jose Garcia.

The initiative, led by El Salvador, Guatemala and the Dominican Republic with the support of Central American Integration System (SICA), is in “consultations” with Nicaragua and Costa Rica and seeks to add the support of Panama, Belize and even Mexico, which, Garcia said, showed “strong opening” over reform.

“From now on, Central America will sit at the table of dialogue and negotiation with a tool that allows us to have an impact,” the deputy minister in a meeting with the press, saying that they have the support of organizations and unions U.S.

Garcia said that “the commitment of the region is the defense and promotion of human rights of immigrants.”

The proposal provides for a fine to immigrants who stay illegally in U.S. and to enable a fund to finance the immigration reform process, in addition to being granted “facilities” to reunite families and beneficiaries to protect their rights.

It wasn’t confirmed the date on which the initiative will be presented, then, according to Salvadoran Foreign Minister Hugo Martinez, are “calibrating” the “best time” and the “level” to make it known next year, but did not rule out made during a visit by President Mauricio Funes who is “pending.”

Nor was it informed if this proposal would benefit many Central Americans, but Garcia said that in the case of Salvadorans would cover between 750,000 and 1,100,000 U.S. National

“This is an approach to comprehensive immigration reform, in the sense that not only is it the responsibility of the U.S. Government to implement reform,” he said.

“The region is also willing to create conditions to make immigration a choice of life freely assumed and not a necessity dictated by external factors, complemented Garcia.

SICA Secretary General, Juan Daniel German, highlighted this effort as a “step in the right direction.”

“It’s an innovative step, brave, very sensible and very responsible,” he said, as Guatemala’s ambassador in El Salvador, Silvia Caceres, stressed that “Central America is united” to get their citizens with a legal immigration status.

Democratic leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives filed on 15 December a “historic” initiative for comprehensive immigration reform to allow the legalization of millions of immigrants, but for now, no Republican support.

According to Foreign Minister of El Salvador, there are “plentiful coincidences” between both initiatives.

“We are glad we agree with the proposed strategic lines of the Congressman,” he said, for his part, Garcia.

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This adminstration is seriously trying to provoke CW2 in this country.

Never in my life have I ever witnessed a more treasonous, seditious, subversive, and bankrupt admn. 

You asswipes who voted for this should be waterboarded daily until Nov. 3 2012.   

[pedro01]

They'll all support it in the end.

It's what the US needs in order to support the ageing population. The US is fortunate to have the option....

[Soul Crusher]

“From now on, Central America will sit at the table of dialogue and negotiation with a tool that allows us to have an impact,” the deputy minister in a meeting with the press, saying that they have the support of organizations and unions U.S.

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WHAT ABOUT THE GOD DAMNED TAXPAYER SITTING AT THE FUCKING TABLE FOR ONCE? 

[240 is Back]

33,

Run for office man.

You have a law degree and your head screwed on straight.  Why not try it?

[Soul Crusher]

33,

Run for office man.

You have a law degree and your head screwed on straight.  Why not try it?

All I would need is for someone to hack my account and sent my posts to the local news. 

I live in the bluest of blue areas where Dems win by 40 - 50% every time because there are so many minorities like zombies who reflexivly vote RAT no matter what. 

[Soul Crusher]

240 - DO YOU THINK I WOULD HAVE A CHANCE?
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New York's 18th congressional district
 
Current Representative  Nita Lowey (D)
Population (2000) 654,360
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The 18th Congressional District of New York is a congressional district for the United States House of Representatives in the northern suburbs of New York City. It includes most of Westchester County and part of Rockland County. It includes Mamaroneck, New Rochelle, Ossining, the Town of Pelham, Scarsdale, Tarrytown, White Plains as well as most of New City and Yonkers. It is currently represented by Democrat Nita Lowey.

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2 Components: Past and Present
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4 Election results
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[BodyProSite]

why doesnt obama just come out and say, hey the american middle class and small businesses should support the rest of the entire fucking world? cause thats what he is trying to do

[kcballer]

Smart that they are binding together on this one.  Collective power is stronger than singular power. 

I agree with a fine system and use that to fund the immigration service.

I still believe a lot of people are giving the companies that hire these workers a free ride.  Everyone talks about the workers but who is employing them? They obviously aren't working for themselves because someone has to pay them money and the companies that hire them should be forced to pay a severe penalty. 

I think the decline in the minimum wage is the blame for a lot of the hiring policies that go on at unskilled labor positions.  Without a fair wage being paid (by fair i mean able to be lived upon by the average American standard) then these companies have almost no American born workers to choose from but plenty of eager undocumented workers who will not complain, are easy to fire/hire, and will work for a pittance because their standard of living is a lot lower. 

Raising the minimum wage so Americans can work those positions and still have a decent quality of life, institution tougher penalties on companies that hire undocumented workers and using any fines etc (of which there will be many) to fund an independent illegal immigration tribunal to oversee any and all undocumented workers who are caught, so that they are not a burden on any tax payers but are instead being sent home with funds collected from those who chose to hire them.

[Soul Crusher]

Smart that they are binding together on this one.  Collective power is stronger than singular power. 

I agree with a fine system and use that to fund the immigration service.

I still believe a lot of people are giving the companies that hire these workers a free ride.  Everyone talks about the workers but who is employing them? They obviously aren't working for themselves because someone has to pay them money and the companies that hire them should be forced to pay a severe penalty. 

I think the decline in the minimum wage is the blame for a lot of the hiring policies that go on at unskilled labor positions.  Without a fair wage being paid (by fair i mean able to be lived upon by the average American standard) then these companies have almost no American born workers to choose from but plenty of eager undocumented workers who will not complain, are easy to fire/hire, and will work for a pittance because their standard of living is a lot lower. 

Raising the minimum wage so Americans can work those positions and still have a decent quality of life, institution tougher penalties on companies that hire undocumented workers and using any fines etc (of which there will be many) to fund an independent illegal immigration tribunal to oversee any and all undocumented workers who are caught, so that they are not a burden on any tax payers but are instead being sent home with funds collected from those who chose to hire them.

Why dont you just save us the time reading your post and say: "I KC am an intl marxist who believes in internationalism and no country has the right to set its own immigration policies"     

[kcballer]

Why dont you just save us the time reading your post and say: "I KC am an intl marxist who believes in internationalism and no country has the right to set its own immigration policies"     

Did you read what i wrote 333?

[Soul Crusher]

Did you read what i wrote 333?

Yes I did. 

I dont think this is a good thing at all.  Its awful.   

[kcballer]

Yes I did. 

I dont think this is a good thing at all.  Its awful.   

So punishing companies who hire illegals is awful? Wow.  Talk about enemy of the American people.  You'd rather a company entice illegals over than punish them.  Great move 333.  They'll just keep sending the buses down and keep bringing them back to take our jobs. 

[Kazan]

Smart that they are binding together on this one.  Collective power is stronger than singular power. 

I agree with a fine system and use that to fund the immigration service.

I still believe a lot of people are giving the companies that hire these workers a free ride.  Everyone talks about the workers but who is employing them? They obviously aren't working for themselves because someone has to pay them money and the companies that hire them should be forced to pay a severe penalty. 

I think the decline in the minimum wage is the blame for a lot of the hiring policies that go on at unskilled labor positions.  Without a fair wage being paid (by fair i mean able to be lived upon by the average American standard) then these companies have almost no American born workers to choose from but plenty of eager undocumented workers who will not complain, are easy to fire/hire, and will work for a pittance because their standard of living is a lot lower. 

Raising the minimum wage so Americans can work those positions and still have a decent quality of life, institution tougher penalties on companies that hire undocumented workers and using any fines etc (of which there will be many) to fund an independent illegal immigration tribunal to oversee any and all undocumented workers who are caught, so that they are not a burden on any tax payers but are instead being sent home with funds collected from those who chose to hire them.

OK what is a fair wage for an unskilled labor position? Should someone get paid $10/hr to pick vegatables? And exactly how much do you want to pay for a can of vegetables? They are what about 60 cents now, would you rather pay $15 a can to offset the cost of what has to be paid to the worker? An unskilled position is exactly that, a trained monkey could do it, so it isn't going to pay well.

The simple fact is the government refuses to enforce the existing laws on the books, and when someone does, like Joe Arpaio he gets squashed.

So now the new plan is to let the countries that the people are fleeing to be part of the solution, great idea

[kcballer]

OK what is a fair wage for an unskilled labor position? Should someone get paid $10/hr to pick vegatables? And exactly how much do you want to pay for a can of vegetables? They are what about 60 cents now, would you rather pay $15 a can to offset the cost of what has to be paid to the worker? An unskilled position is exactly that, a trained monkey could do it, so it isn't going to pay well.

The simple fact is the government refuses to enforce the existing laws on the books, and when someone does, like Joe Arpaio he gets squashed.

So now the new plan is to let the countries that the people are fleeing to be part of the solution, great idea

This is something that must be debated.  Perhaps seasonal worker visas for those immigrants? Maybe the govt should make it a little easier to get those.  Because as you say the price of the food will go up if you take away the latino worker who will do it for next to nothing.  I'm not saying we should pay them large salaries but to solve the issue of illegal immigration is a bit more than just 'build a wall and kick 'em out'.  Like it or not latino workers do a sh*t load of unskilled labor that otherwise would not be done unless the pay was increased to entice citizens to do it and afford them a reasonable standard of living. 

I just want to get this straight to everyone before someone comes in (like 333) and claims i'm all for illegal immigration etc.  I am not.  what i am suggesting is that instead of the tax payer solely funding the detention centers, courts of law, planes, immigration officials who deal with this issue, the companies who employed them should fit a large (if not all) of the bill.  Because lets face it without a job there is no reason to come to America for work. 

[240 is Back]

then don't tell getbig youre running for office.  just do it man.

OR, be the ONE SINGLE HONEST POLITICIAN who tells it like he feels.  Shit, you know MOST repubs wish they had the courage to say to obama the things you anonymously post here daily.  And most tea party and many repubs agree with it.

[Soul Crusher]

then don't tell getbig youre running for office.  just do it man.

OR, be the ONE SINGLE HONEST POLITICIAN who tells it like he feels.  Shit, you know MOST repubs wish they had the courage to say to obama the things you anonymously post here daily.  And most tea party and many repubs agree with it.

I live in the bluest of the blue where most people are on govt assitance, illegal aliens from ireland or mexico, or trying to get a city job as a cop fireman or garbage man. 

[kcballer]

I live in the bluest of the blue where most people are on govt assitance, illegal aliens from ireland or mexico, or trying to get a city job as a cop fireman or garbage man. 

Then move and run for office elsewhere. 

[Soul Crusher]

Then move and run for office elsewhere. 

I'm trying bro.  I hate living in liberal hell. 

[shootfighter1]

They just raised the minimum wage KC, despite a lot of opposition from business.  

Yes, crack down on the employers, absolutely.

[Soul Crusher]

They just raised the minimum wage KC, despite a lot of opposition to business. 

Yes, crack down on the employers, absolutely.

Raising the minimum wage is a job killer. 

[kcballer]

They just raised the minimum wage KC, despite a lot of opposition from business.  

Yes, crack down on the employers, absolutely.

But it's not enough shoot.  Business will complain of course but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.  You keep the minimum wage low and guess what? You end up with undocumented workers filing the positions because no American can live at a reasonable standard on that wage.  I think this is where govt needs to step in and do something like make anyone who earns under $15,000 income tax exempt to help out but business needs to step up to.  If we are to truly tackle the illegal immigration issue it will take more than 'locking them up and building a wall' of which there is a HUGE financial burden to be paid.  And by whom exactly? Why should i pay my tax dollars to subsidize something i have not been complicit in.  The business that hires them should be forced to pay any and all costs associated with removing them.

For such 'fiscally responsible' people i would have thought this would be at the forefront of your ideas.  Unless of course for many republicans this has more to do with race than it does anything else. 

[Soul Crusher]

But it's not enough shoot.  Business will complain of course but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.  You keep the minimum wage low and guess what? You end up with undocumented workers filing the positions because no American can live at a reasonable standard on that wage.  I think this is where govt needs to step in and do something like make anyone who earns under $15,000 income tax exempt to help out but business needs to step up to.  If we are to truly tackle the illegal immigration issue it will take more than 'locking them up and building a wall' of which there is a HUGE financial burden to be paid.  And by whom exactly? Why should i pay my tax dollars to subsidize something i have not been complicit in.  The business that hires them should be forced to pay any and all costs associated with removing them.

For such 'fiscally responsible' people i would have thought this would be at the forefront of your ideas.  Unless of course for many republicans this has more to do with race than it does anything else. 

Fine.  however, the benes they get draw them like flies to shit.    

[kcballer]

Fine.  however, the benes they get draw them like flies to shit.    

benes? I assume you mean benefits? Please tell me what benefits exactly they get besides the ability to earn USD? If that was taken away i.e. no one hires them please explain why they would come here knowing they cannot get work here?

[grab an umbrella]

Minimum wage jobs are for the young and the old.  It isn't designed to live off of. 

[pedro01]

The US model is not sustainable in the long term.

US corporations want to sell to US citizens but not employ them. In this case we are discussing jobs that must be performed within the US but the amount of jobs sent overseas is just as problematic.

You can't employ mostly foreigners and expect a fully employed market to sell to.