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Alleged Terrorist Known But Not Thought A Threat
by The Associated Press

December 27, 2009
The alleged Christmas Day terrorist had been in one of the U.S. government's many terror databases since November, which is when his father brought him to the attention of embassy officials in Nigeria.

However, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab came to the attention of intelligence officials months before that, according to a U.S. government official involved in the investigation. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because it is ongoing.

Still, none of the information the government had on Abdulmutallab rose to the level of putting him on the official terror watch list or no-fly list. On Christmas Eve, the 23-year-old Nigerian — who later claimed to law enforcement that he was operating on orders from al-Qaida — was able to carry a concealed explosive device onto a U.S.-bound airplane.

Officials warn it is still early in the investigation. But lawmakers are already calling for hearings, and the government may order a review. As President Barack Obama received regular updates on the investigation from his staff, his national security and policy aides have been asking whether the policies the U.S. has in place are working. These internal discussions marked the informal start to what will likely become a formal executive branch inquiry into an attack that failed because the bomb did not go off as planned and not because the intelligence community stopped it.

Passenger accounts and law enforcement officials describe the events around the Christmas Day attack this way:

On December 24, Abdulmutallab traveled from Nigeria to Amsterdam and then on to Detroit with an explosive device attached to his body.

Part of the device contained PETN, or pentaerythritol, and was hidden in a condom or condom-like bag just below Abdulmutallab's torso. PETN is the same material convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid used when he tried to destroy a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001 with explosives hidden in his shoes. Abdulmutallab also had a syringe filled with liquid.

As the plane approached Detroit, Abdulmutallab went to the bathroom for 20 minutes. When he returned to his seat, he complained of an upset stomach and covered himself with a blanket.

Passengers heard a popping noise, similar to a firecracker. They smelled an odor, and some passengers saw Abdulmutallab's pant leg and the wall of the airplane on fire. Passengers and the flight crew used blankets and fire extinguishers to quell the flames. They restrained Abdulmutallab, who later told a flight attendant he had an "explosive device" in his pocket. He was seen holding a partially melted syringe.

The airplane landed in Detroit shortly after the incident.

On Saturday, federal officials charged the young man with trying to destroy the airplane. A conviction on the charge could bring Abdulmutallab up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

U.S. District Judge Paul Borman read Abdulmutallab the charges in a conference room at the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., where the former London university student is undergoing burn treatment. Abdulmutallab smiled as he was wheeled into the room, his left thumb and right wrist bandaged and part of the skin on the thumb was burned off.

Abdulmutallab claimed to have received training and instructions from al-Qaida operatives in Yemen, law enforcement officials said. He is also believed to have had Internet contact with militant Islamic radicals.

While intelligence officials said Saturday that they are taking seriously Abdulmutallab's claims that the plot originated with al-Qaida's network inside Yemen, several added that they had to yet to see independent confirmation. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is incomplete.

Four weeks ago, Abdulmutallab's father told the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, that he was concerned about his son's religious beliefs. This information was passed on to U.S. intelligence officials.

Abdulmutallab received a valid U.S. visa in June 2008 that is good through 2010.

His is one of about 550,000 names in the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment database, known as TIDE, which is maintained by the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center and was created in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Intelligence officials said they lacked enough information to place him in the 400,000-person terror watch list or on the no-fly list of fewer than 4,000 people who should be blocked from air travel.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121945381

My question is this: Howcome Cat Stevens (now Yusuf Islam) was on the no-fly list and this guy wasn't? That boggles my mind. It strongly hints at how incompetently this is being handled.
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More govt incompetence to the Nth Degree.

Thank god for the white guy, AAGGAAIINN, who saved the other passengers from certain death by taking this savage animal down. 

They should have opened the hatch and thrown him out the door. 

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More govt incompetence to the Nth Degree.

Thank god for the white guy, AAGGAAIINN, who saved the other passengers from certain death by taking this savage animal down. 

They should have opened the hatch and thrown him out the door. 

wow.
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wow.

Do you think some fat black lady was going to take this animal down? 

How about some skinny little grandma? 

How about some wimpish fag with flip flops on weighing 90lbs wet? 

How about some little asian college girl? 

How about some fat slob unable to get out of his seat? 

If it wasnt for this guy, the average white guy, most likely 287 people would be dead. 

Sorry, its the fucking truth.  If we ever get to see the seating chart, I guaranty you most of the other passengers probably would never have been able to stop this savage beast. 

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Yeah shame on the Asian girl for not bulking up and shame on the gamma for not learning jujitsu and shame on the 90 pound whimp for not learning kung fu.
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Yeah shame on the Asian girl for not bulking up and shame on the gamma for not learning jujitsu and shame on the 90 pound whimp for not learning kung fu.
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Yeah, it is.  When you have crazed strong young males intent on killing you, and you are a 90lbs defenseless little chick or old lady, you are donezo. 

Most people have zero ability to defend themselves from a physical attack. 

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Yeah, it is.  When you have crazed strong young males intent on killing you, and you are a 90lbs defenseless little chick or old lady, you are donezo. 

Most people have zero ability to defend themselves from a physical attack. 

Maybe they should a government program, spend billions, training 80 year olds to fight with carry on luggage. 

Or make it illegal to weigh less than 150.

Or make it illegal not to know at least 3 moves in kung fu.

I so agree with you.
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what you really meant to say was that a black guy wouldn't have done it



Thank god for the white guy, AAGGAAIINN

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More govt incompetence to the Nth Degree.

Thank god for the white guy, AAGGAAIINN, who saved the other passengers from certain death by taking this savage animal down. 

They should have opened the hatch and thrown him out the door. 


So what do you think should be done? Should every one of those 500,000 people be barred from flying or traveling?

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Maybe they should a government program, spend billions, training 80 year olds to fight with carry on luggage. 

Or make it illegal to weigh less than 150.

Or make it illegal not to know at least 3 moves in kung fu.

I so agree with you.
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Make a joke about it if you like, but it is not a joke.  Most people are completewly defensless against any type of attack whatsoever.  

People need to understand that they are responsible for their own safety and the magical govt cop or protector wont be there when you need him.

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.  

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So what do you think should be done? Should every one of those 500,000 people be barred from flying or traveling?

How about they put 20 of them on the plane and you go on it?  Feel good knowing that 20 of these people are on the place with you BF?

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Do you think some fat black lady was going to take this animal down? 

How about some skinny little grandma? 

How about some wimpish fag with flip flops on weighing 90lbs wet? 

How about some little asian college girl? 

How about some fat slob unable to get out of his seat? 

If it wasnt for this guy, the average white guy, most likely 287 people would be dead. 

Sorry, its the fucking truth.  If we ever get to see the seating chart, I guaranty you most of the other passengers probably would never have been able to stop this savage beast. 
Congratulations to him for being male and white, I guess.
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what you really meant to say was that a black guy wouldn't have done it



Thank god for the white guy, AAGGAAIINN


A black guy probably would try to help out.  However, most likely there were not too many black males on this place considering the origination of the flight.  

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so instead of saying "A WHITE GUY" saved the day... maybe you could have said "A HEALTHY BRAVE MALE" saved the day?


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How about they put 20 of them on the plane and you go on it?  Feel good knowing that 20 of these people are on the place with you BF?

I think my opinion of Islam is well documented on here but let's be honest, unless you're willing to ban every single person on that list from flying or traveling then it's going to be almost impossible to stay on top of them. Especially if they're acting alone like this guy may have been.


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Things are too black and white for him to say that.

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so instead of saying "A WHITE GUY" saved the day... maybe you could have said "A HEALTHY BRAVE MALE" saved the day?



I put the white guy in there because DHS and the disgusting bull dyke that heads that agency issued a report saying white guys are the ones we need to be fearful from.  If we can blame white guys for every evil in the world and make the public suspicious of them via DHS, it seems the least we can do is at least give some recognition when they do good deeds no?  

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Make a joke about it if you like, but it is not a joke.  Most people are completewly defensless against any type of attack whatsoever.  

People need to understand that they are responsible for their own safety and the magical govt cop or protector wont be there when you need him.

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.  

If HLS or who ever was doing their jobs it would have never happened.   But i do agree, seriously.  I was making fun of the way you worded it from the start.

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I think my opinion of Islam is well documented on here but let's be honest, unless you're willing to ban every single person on that list from flying or traveling then it's going to be almost impossible to stay on top of them. Especially if they're acting alone like this guy may have been.




BF - this case is one so far that looks like there were ample warnings , just like Ft. Hood of this savage being a threat to society.  


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so instead of saying "A WHITE GUY" saved the day... maybe you could have said "A HEALTHY BRAVE MALE" saved the day?
  

exactly,his color had nothing to do with it

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It is cool though, I always knew if someone tried something on a US plane this would happen.  Thank goodness they stopped him.


How long do you think its gonna be before some group mistakenly assaults someone on a plane and they sued for it?  


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BF - this case is one so far that looks like there were ample warnings , just like Ft. Hood of this savage being a threat to society.  



There are millions of extremists out there, though. It's not like this guy had been traveling back and forth from Pakistan for a while or posting jihadist videos on the internet.

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It is cool though, I always knew if someone tried something on a US plane this would happen.  Thank goodness they stopped him.


How long do you think its gonna be before some group mistakenly assaults someone on a plane and they sued for it?  



No kidding. 

However, the point of this is that the govt is not doing its job and if you are on a plane and see shit like this, dont wait - attack.  Your life depends on it. 

This guy fit the exact profile of someone with no business on a plane whatsoever. 

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There are millions of extremists out there, though. It's not like this guy had been traveling back and forth from Pakistan for a while or posting jihadist videos on the internet.


His father warned the authorities.

He paid cash for a one way ticket.

He was on the list.

He was previously denied a US Visa

He was going to yemen with this imam or some crap.

Thats so far from what I can tell.