Bob Chick real training question for you...

[Lion666]

appreciate the fact your still on here giving highly valued advice/opinion in the face of constant and consistant foolishness... ( even if people disagree with you,,, they could still recoginze the fact it's cool that your on here, you are a pro and this is a bb'n site )

question being,,, pre-exhaust,,,  wieder or the bft style training.
ex: pec dec fly then a press move,,, machine db's what ever...  iso to compound instead of traditional compound then iso
Do / did you train with this method...?  like it?

I've been doing it for a month after a thread in regards to BFT training,,, so far its ok.  wondering your thoughts.
Notice seeing a lot of pros use leg exts before squats/presses figure they're onto something,,, they do have big legs.

I know any change in routine will yeild some type of gains,,, just like to hear what you have to say. 
Any combos that you use/d that you notice nice gains off of, in regards to chest, back, shoulders, legs, arms etc.

One more question... do you ever use the same workout scheme twice, ie. excercise order, choice, rep range.  Some people are from the idea if it's not broke don't fix and some are constant change.  Again I know everyone is different and all that ect.
Like to know your thoughts experiences from yourself or observations of other pros.

[Chick]

appreciate the fact your still on here giving highly valued advice/opinion in the face of constant and consistant foolishness... ( even if people disagree with you,,, they could still recoginze the fact it's cool that your on here, you are a pro and this is a bb'n site


thanks, much appreciated

question being,,, pre-exhaust,,,  wieder or the bft style training.
ex: pec dec fly then a press move,,, machine db's what ever...  iso to compound instead of traditional compound then iso
Do / did you train with this method...?  like it?


we always did a smaller movement before a bigger one for the simple fact of warming up, getting some blood pumping...not so much as a pre exhaust method

I've been doing it for a month after a thread in regards to BFT training,,, so far its ok.  wondering your thoughts.
Notice seeing a lot of pros use leg exts before squats/presses figure they're onto something,,, they do have big legs.

Again...more for warming up....there was always something a little freaky to me about starting with your strongest exercise....even when I did, I did progressive sets to get up to weight..

I know any change in routine will yeild some type of gains,,, just like to hear what you have to say. 
Any combos that you use/d that you notice nice gains off of, in regards to chest, back, shoulders, legs, arms etc.

I like single parts/ day better..assuming you have the time to do it...if not, then I would suggest a big part combined with a smaller part (ex.- chest/ bi's)

One more question... do you ever use the same workout scheme twice, ie. excercise order, choice, rep range.  Some people are from the idea if it's not broke don't fix and some are constant change.  Again I know everyone is different and all that ect.
Like to know your thoughts experiences from yourself or observations of other pros.


Change is always welcomed...one thing I would have done different, is I would have changed up the exercises more frequently...always makes for better gains. We tended to keep some of the basics in ALL the time, and rotated in and out numerous other exercises...rule of thumb: there is no right or wrong, only the results make it so

That said, the only 3 letter training system I ever subscribed to was my own..."JFT" program!

[MCWAY]

appreciate the fact your still on here giving highly valued advice/opinion in the face of constant and consistant foolishness... ( even if people disagree with you,,, they could still recoginze the fact it's cool that your on here, you are a pro and this is a bb'n site )

question being,,, pre-exhaust,,,  wieder or the bft style training.
ex: pec dec fly then a press move,,, machine db's what ever...  iso to compound instead of traditional compound then iso
Do / did you train with this method...?  like it?

I've been doing it for a month after a thread in regards to BFT training,,, so far its ok.  wondering your thoughts.
Notice seeing a lot of pros use leg exts before squats/presses figure they're onto something,,, they do have big legs.

I know any change in routine will yeild some type of gains,,, just like to hear what you have to say. 
Any combos that you use/d that you notice nice gains off of, in regards to chest, back, shoulders, legs, arms etc.

One more question... do you ever use the same workout scheme twice, ie. excercise order, choice, rep range.  Some people are from the idea if it's not broke don't fix and some are constant change.  Again I know everyone is different and all that ect.
Like to know your thoughts experiences from yourself or observations of other pros.

As far as pre-exhaust exercises go, doing an isolation one first makes more sense.

One, it warms up the target muscle. Then, once you do the compound exercise, you feel it more in that muscle.

Two, if you find yourself in a situation where you don't have a lot of weight to use (i.e. you have a home gym or your apartment complex has a multi-station, with only 200 lbs on the weight stack), pre-exhaust supersets can make light weight feel heavier.

For example, if you train chest and do flyes, followed immediately by bench presses, 225 on the bench can feel like 315.

[Lion666]

thanks Chick...
awesome that you replied...
been training 10 years now and always lookin to learn more about training,,, going along with the "train smart not hard" state of mind...  looking to stay injury free for the next 10 years and after your recent posts it sounds like thats the right way.  you been a pro and in the game for many years, obviously theres some things people can learn from that.

happy new year
 

[Lion666]

As far as pre-exhaust exercises go, doing an isolation one first makes more sense.

One, it warms up the target muscle. Then, once you do the compound exercise, you feel it more in that muscle.

Two, if you find yourself in a situation where you don't have a lot of weight to use (i.e. you have a home gym or your apartment complex has a multi-station, with only 200 lbs on the weight stack), pre-exhaust supersets can make light weight feel heavier.

For example, if you train chest and do flyes, followed immediately by bench presses, 225 on the bench can feel like 315.

agree with you MC...
after some good sets of flyes whatever you normally bench is cut almost in half... and like you said if theres not a lot of weights available,,, like a planet ftness gym, or hotel spot, you still get a nice wrkout/pump.
It took a while to get out of the bench (flat or incl) heavy 1st then iso 2nd... so I tried the pre ex some years back but never stuck with it long enough.
I'm almost a month of doing it now,, yes I did throw a str8 bench wrkout flat with bb heavy at end of 2nd week just to see where strength was and it was same or a lil more so...
the growth with the pre ex for chest is like just the pec grows,,, where as the bb bench traditional str8 sets is more "overall" upperbody,,,\
I'm just surprised it works

It's like Chick said,,, he uses it to warm up more than a pre ex method so...  take home point for me is bodybuild if you wanna bb and use the tools,,, if you wanna weight lift then weight lift,,, either way stay injury free.  warm up.



c'mon GetBiggers,,, anyone have any thoughts or experiences on the pre ex method,,, bft ,, what ev.

[MCWAY]

agree with you MC...
after some good sets of flyes whatever you normally bench is cut almost in half... and like you said if theres not a lot of weights available,,, like a planet ftness gym, or hotel spot, you still get a nice wrkout/pump.
It took a while to get out of the bench (flat or incl) heavy 1st then iso 2nd... so I tried the pre ex some years back but never stuck with it long enough.
I'm almost a month of doing it now,, yes I did throw a str8 bench wrkout flat with bb heavy at end of 2nd week just to see where strength was and it was same or a lil more so...
the growth with the pre ex for chest is like just the pec grows,,, where as the bb bench traditional str8 sets is more "overall" upperbody,,,\
I'm just surprised it works

It's like Chick said,,, he uses it to warm up more than a pre ex method so...  take home point for me is bodybuild if you wanna bb and use the tools,,, if you wanna weight lift then weight lift,,, either way stay injury free.  warm up.

I learned the value of pre-exhaust in 1990 and especially in 2001, the latter being when after my Bally membership expired and I ended up training at the apartment complex of my then-girlfrend (now wife). Their "fitness center" was a glorified storage shed with windows, which had a multi-station. The upper-body weight stack maxed at 200 lbs. The one on the leg press went up to 300 lbs (both fairly easy weights to move, doing straight exercises).