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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2010, 06:17:56 AM »
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God wasn't created. You are not understanding.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2010, 06:20:21 AM »
Here is a Daily Bible Reading Plan from Biblegateway.com:

http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/readingplans/
Here are a few links to some excellent Daily Devotionals:

Greg Laurie       http://harvest.org/devotional/
Bob Coy           http://www.activeword.org/dailydevotion.cfm
Charles Stanley http://www.intouch.org/site/c.cnKBIPNuEoG/b.5710199/k.291/January_2010_Devotionals/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp
Family Life (For Couples) http://www.familylife.com/site/c.dnJHKLNnFoG/b.3930045/#



I would also recommend John MacArthur    http://www.gty.org/  A lot of good info on that site.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2010, 07:17:12 AM »
the wife has been pestering me to "devote daily time to the Word"
i tried a few months ago to start from the very beginning but got bored/lost in the indices somewhere

how do i start exactly? by that i mean what page? i see she kinda jumps around so i get the feeling that i shouldnt read cover to cover like i do with my leisure stories.

anything i should read BEFORE i start reading the bible? like do you need a certain basic level of religiousity or religious knowledge before beginning?
Starting at the beginning of the New Testament (which would be the Book of Matthew) is a good idea like HTexan suggested but I usually tell people to read the Book of John first.

And no, you don't need any type of religious background before reading  :)

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2010, 10:39:30 AM »
wavelength, you are a pretty practical type of guy i think.  I think you are missing my point though.

Gravity has facts to back up theory.  I.e.  if an apple is thrown into the sky...it falls back down.  The big bang theory has no facts to back it up at ALL.  just mere beliefs (you choose to call them theories...) but belief is not science.  Other theories can be observed, and that is a key term here...gravity can be observed...the big bang theory has zero observable evidence.  The law of angular momentum is in complete opposition to the big bang theory.  What scientific evidence points towards a big bang which came for what hte text books say "literally nothing".  
yes and that means we can just explain our existance and creation based on a nice little fairytale and mystical man in the skies  ;D

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2010, 10:41:10 AM »
yes and that means we can just explain our existance and creation based a nice little fairytale and mystical man in the skies  ;D

haha yea....Its the only logical thing to do ;D
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2010, 10:42:59 AM »
lol

the bright minds of getbig discussing one of the most symbolically encoded works of/for humanity

fucking priceless  :D

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2010, 12:53:42 PM »
You're embarrassing yourself.

Chimps you know better then to just throw out Ad Hominem attacks...why don't you illustrate to him why his is embarrassing himself, or would that be too much work?  ???

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2010, 01:11:19 PM »
Chimps you know better then to just throw out Ad Hominem attacks...why don't you illustrate to him why his is embarrassing himself, or would that be too much work?  ???
My physics professor tells us about people who constantly send him hate mail arguing about how relativity is all wrong; even sending him long algebraic calculations to 'prove' their point... guess what, he just treats it like garbage and doesn't respond  ;D
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2010, 01:16:15 PM »
My physics professor tells us about people who constantly send him hate mail arguing about how relativity is all wrong; even sending him long algebraic calculations to 'prove' their point... guess what, he just treats it like garbage and doesn't respond  ;D

Well...not responding would be better then just throwing out straw men, which is both a sign of laziness, and arrogance.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2010, 01:20:44 PM »
Well...not responding would be better then just throwing out straw men, which is both a sign of laziness, and arrogance.
I suppose one could make that case but I haven't followed their argument so I can't comment on that.
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2010, 03:04:03 PM »
wavelength, you are a pretty practical type of guy i think.  I think you are missing my point though.

Gravity has facts to back up theory.  I.e.  if an apple is thrown into the sky...it falls back down.  The big bang theory has no facts to back it up at ALL.  just mere beliefs (you choose to call them theories...) but belief is not science.  Other theories can be observed, and that is a key term here...gravity can be observed...the big bang theory has zero observable evidence.  The law of angular momentum is in complete opposition to the big bang theory.  What scientific evidence points towards a big bang which came for what hte text books say "literally nothing". 
off the top of my head:
- expansion of space/universe
- background radiation

as to your claim that it defies the law of conservation of angular momentum, here's a peice I found that I think explains it:
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the reason why the planets are expected to have all had the same basic rotational direction originally is due to the dynamics of how the solar system formed: the friction in the disk of gas and dust around our young star that formed the planets sort of forces them to have the same angular momentum direction (to start with) as the solar system as a whole. The angular momenta can be changed later by collisions.
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #86 on: January 10, 2010, 07:03:39 AM »






come on bible thumpers get out your bible take a half hour break from spewing your bullshit and follow along with these vids...then report specifically what points wear made that were inacurate or what you may agree with....please don't comment if you only watched 5 minutes or skiped around...

when penn & teller can kick your ass regarding the bible you cant say shit....



Fortunately, Penn and Teller can do no such thing, and neither can you, which is why you resort to using these stupid video to mask your feeble and pointless takes.

As for your cry for specific points, where do I begin?

First, regarding the Ark, the Bible DOES NOT CLAIM that Noah gathered every species of animals.  The word used in Genesis 6 is "kind". Of course, Linnaeus' taxonomic system wasn't around when Genesis was written. Those who studied this issue have estimated that the Hebrew word for "kind" would correspond to the taxonomic term of either Family or (no lower than) genus.

According to "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" at best Noah would have only needed to have gathered about 16,000 animals, with the average one, being the size of a sheep.

As for his rambling about other cultures having Flood legends, file that under the "tell-us-something-we-don't-know" category. Of course, Penn (assuming that's the big guy with the glasses) would have to explain how other civilizations (i.e. China), which are nowhere near Israel, ended up with the same basic premise: At some point in Earth's history, the planet was destroyed by a massive flood, with only handful of people (usually no more than eight) surviving.

Ironically enough, there's an ancient Chinese word for "boat, made from three characters. It literally translates "eight-mouth-vessel".

How many people reportedly survived the Genesis Flood, again.........EIGHT.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #87 on: January 10, 2010, 07:23:19 AM »
Oh, another favorite, the claim that the Exodus account wasn't true. Who is this bonehead again, who claims that there's no evidence of the event outside the Bible (Michael Shermer, Skeptic magazine)?

I guess this was made before the multiple specials (one from National Geographic; another from the History channel), which investigates the evidence SUPPORTING the Exodus account.

Then, there's the recent study of the Gulf of Aqaba, which Bible critics forget is PART of the Red Sea. There are archaeological finds there, including chariot wheels.

Not to mention, there are ancient NON-BIBLICAL accounts of the Exodus from historians like Josephus and  Diodorus Siculus.

So much for the "no evidence outside the Bible" flap.


And, on another note, what manner of foolish atheist ranting would be complete, without their displaying their inability to read Deut. 21:20,21 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. [/i]" (NIV).

Did Mr. Shermer bother to grasp in his skull, that the passage DOES NOT STATE that the "son", in question, is a child.

The son is described as a "profligate and a drunkard", hardly words usually cited to depict a little boy. But, never let these simple details interfere with a blathering atheist rant.


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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2010, 02:37:47 PM »
the wife has been pestering me to "devote daily time to the Word"
i tried a few months ago to start from the very beginning but got bored/lost in the indices somewhere

how do i start exactly? by that i mean what page? i see she kinda jumps around so i get the feeling that i shouldnt read cover to cover like i do with my leisure stories.

anything i should read BEFORE i start reading the bible? like do you need a certain basic level of religiousity or religious knowledge before beginning?


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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2010, 07:05:53 AM »
Is one of those Penn and Teller videos the one where they "prove" that Jesus had long hair by showing a painting of Him?  LOL
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2010, 02:31:01 PM »
wavelength, you are a pretty practical type of guy i think.  I think you are missing my point though.

Gravity has facts to back up theory.  I.e.  if an apple is thrown into the sky...it falls back down.  The big bang theory has no facts to back it up at ALL.  just mere beliefs (you choose to call them theories...) but belief is not science.  Other theories can be observed, and that is a key term here...gravity can be observed...the big bang theory has zero observable evidence.  The law of angular momentum is in complete opposition to the big bang theory.  What scientific evidence points towards a big bang which came for what hte text books say "literally nothing". 

Of course there are facts to back up the theory of the big bang. Other theories about the scientific aspects of the beginning of the universe are possible too of course. Just as there can be other scientific theories about why objects are drawn together.

The gravitational "field" itself cannot be observed either, in the end it's just a name for a set of mathematical formulas. What can be observed is the movement of objects and this can lead to a theory about a "magic field" or a "magic big bang". I can't see any qualitative difference. The conception of a real, invisible "field", which somehow draws objects together is just as elusive as the conception of a big bang.

What most people don't realise is that these conceptions are not part of pure science anymore but are in fact already philosophic concepts. This is because for pure science it doesn't matter at all which mind construct is behind a set of mathematical formulas within a scientific model. Instead of a gravitational field, you can e.g. just as well imagine invisible leprechauns pushing objects together according to the corresponding formulas. For science, that's completely irrelevant.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2010, 06:19:36 AM »
When the scientist and Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaître first proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory, Einstein initially dismissed the theory without thought or consideration, in part because it came from a priest and because it implied "Creation" and a "Creator." 

Einstein was quick to endorse both Lemaître and his theory only after Hubble confirmed the theory.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #92 on: January 14, 2010, 06:48:44 AM »
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2010, 07:38:06 AM »
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #94 on: January 14, 2010, 10:08:00 AM »
When the scientist and Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaître first proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory, Einstein initially dismissed the theory without thought or consideration, in part because it came from a priest and because it implied "Creation" and a "Creator." 

Einstein was quick to endorse both Lemaître and his theory only after Hubble confirmed the theory.
Interesting that some one of the christian faith proposed the theory but so-called 'creationists' are hell-bent on trying to disprove the theory.
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #95 on: January 14, 2010, 11:08:57 AM »
Interesting that some one of the christian faith proposed the theory but so-called 'creationists' are hell-bent on trying to disprove the theory.

Interesting indeed!  Not all Christians agree on everything.

Einstein's initial dismissal of the theory and his reasons behind it are very interesting too.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #96 on: January 14, 2010, 11:10:27 AM »
The bible isn't like a traditional book, you can jump around. I would start with The Gospels. Which are Matthew- John.


those all= the same...just said differently

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2010, 08:37:20 PM »
Interesting indeed!  Not all Christians agree on everything.

Einstein's initial dismissal of the theory and his reasons behind it are very interesting too.
Well, I think he was biased in favor of the idea that the universe is eternal. He also was not a fan of quantum mechanics, which has since become an essential tool in physics.

I don't think his biases are unique to him, or to people who are atheists. We know of several examples in history where scientific ideas were attacked due to religious preconceptions about the world.

The hope is that we can keep the biases in check and not slow scientific progress unnecessarily  8)
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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #98 on: January 15, 2010, 09:05:43 AM »
Well, I think he was biased in favor of the idea that the universe is eternal. He also was not a fan of quantum mechanics, which has since become an essential tool in physics.

I don't think his biases are unique to him, or to people who are atheists. We know of several examples in history where scientific ideas were attacked due to religious preconceptions about the world.

The hope is that we can keep the biases in check and not slow scientific progress unnecessarily  8)

Agreed!  But this goes to show that the biases and attacks can come from either side, just as both sides can also contribute to the progress of science.

Science is neither theist nor atheist.  Science is not bias.  But scientists are theist or atheist.  Scientists are bias.  They are human after all.

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Re: how should i read the bible?
« Reply #99 on: January 15, 2010, 01:23:08 PM »
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