Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!

[Soul Crusher]

People vote on policy, based on what they feel is right and wrong. That is formed largely by their religious beliefs (or lack of them).

Many believe in universal health care, because of the words of Jesus to heal the sick and care for those less fortunate. Of course, the big debate in politics is HOW they get such care and (more importantly) who foots the bill.

Many believe in the sanctity of life in the womb, based on religious beliefs. Others belief marriage is between a man and a woman, based on religious beliefs.

The list goes onward.

Policies should be based upon the constitution, precedent, and legal principals, not religious ones. 

[LurkerNoMore]

The founders were scholars, historians, philosphers, and looked at all of the failed experiments of the past, including Rome, Greece, Constantinople, Byzantine Empire, etc and truly crafted a document hopefully fixing some of the errors that plagued those societies.  

While I respect religious people for the view points and beliefs, even they should understand the peril of having organized religion play any part in the govt.  

    

Yep.

When you consider exactly how modern Christianity was birthed to begin with (by Constantine through political actions) they were wise enough to know that religion and politics should be free from one another and established the country accordingly.

[MCWAY]

Policies should be based upon the constitution, precedent, and legal principals, not religious ones. 

No doubt about that!!!

But those legal principles are, in part, from Scripture, which include the Ten Commandments (which is why we have such in our courtrooms).

At the very least, commandments 5 - 10, deal with civil issues (how man treats his fellow man).

[LurkerNoMore]

And I am the stupid one?

Listen you stupid atheist (which in itself is a religion), USA was based on Christian beliefs and 77% of Americans identify temselves as Christians. You want to argue that politicians shouldn't base on their decision on Christian beliefs. Fine. But, don't act like this country was founded solely on the whim and man made moral beliefs. Gee, I wonder what the main reason was for the Pilgrims to sail all the way to this continent. I wonder who they thank for the first year of survival.

What are you? 8 years old that you don't even understand your basic American history? Go back to school, nimrod.

Yes, you are the stupid one.  We have already established that by this point.

Again, the major population's religious beliefs has no bearing on the nation or it's government process.

It can't be simpler than that.  But yet you can't understand it.  So to repeat... yes, you are the stupid one.

[LurkerNoMore]

Earth to El Bonehead, did I NOT just post the words that came from some of the Founding Fathers, along with their religious affliliations?

Recap:

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams, 1798

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” - John Jay, 1816

Once again, get a clue and some sense.

Here's a clue.

First Amendment.  It's content and nature clearly renders your little whinings as irrelevant.  Which isn't hard to do given your track record.

You got something more factual than the First Amendment?  Think not.  Try again.

[MCWAY]

Yes, you are the stupid one.  We have already established that by this point.

Again, the major population's religious beliefs has no bearing on the nation or it's government process.

It can't be simpler than that.  But yet you can't understand it.  So to repeat... yes, you are the stupid one.

No, that honor falls on you, or did you forget that, less than a month ago, this country celebrated Christmas as a FEDERAL HOLIDAY (i.e. many people got the day off.....WITH PAY).

As I said, last month, I saw no legions of atheists, marching to their jobs, demanding that their bosses take their Christmas bonuses back.

[MCWAY]

Here's a clue.

First Amendment.  It's content and nature clearly renders your little whinings as irrelevant.  Which isn't hard to do given your track record.

You got something more factual than the First Amendment?  Think not.  Try again.

A state religion doesn't have to be established, O silly one, in order for a nation to be a Christian one.

Our national anthem states, "in God is our trust" (3rd verse). It's on our money. Federal employees (and many others) get Christmas off WITH PAY. The list goes onward.

I try to believe that you aren't this dumb. But, my faith is wearing on that one.

[LurkerNoMore]

No, that honor falls on you, or did you forget that, less than a month ago, this country celebrated Christmas as a FEDERAL HOLIDAY (i.e. many people got the day off.....WITH PAY).

I bet you are one of the stupid Christians who still think Jesus was born on Dec 25th too aren't you?

We also celebrated MLK Day off ... WITH PAY as FEDERAL HOLIDAY
And Columbus Day off.... WITH PAY as FEDERAL HOLIDAY
How many other days were off... WITH PAY as FEDERAL HOLIDAY?  How many of them were religious affiliated?  

You tard, you proved my point once again.  A dozen as FEDERAL HOLIDAY days off... WITH PAY out of the year and only one of related to "Christianity".  Proves my point.

[LurkerNoMore]

A state religion doesn't have to be established, O silly one, in order for a nation to be a Christian one.

Our national anthem states, "in God is our trust" (3rd verse). It's on our money. Federal employees (and many others) get Christmas off WITH PAY. The list goes onward.

I try to believe that you aren't this dumb. But, my faith is wearing on that one.

Again, having to repeat for the slow ones in class :


Only stupid people mistake references to God as the doctrine of Christianity Doctrine.

Which is exactly why the most powerful man in the nation at any given time - POTUS - isn't required to utter those words.

[MCWAY]

I bet you are one of the stupid Christians who still think Jesus was born on Dec 25th too aren't you?

We also celebrated MLK Day off ... WITH PAY as FEDERAL HOLIDAY
And Columbus Day off.... WITH PAY as FEDERAL HOLIDAY
How many other days were off... WITH PAY as FEDERAL HOLIDAY?  How many of them were religious affiliated?  

You tard, you proved my point once again.  A dozen as FEDERAL HOLIDAY days off... WITH PAY out of the year and only one of related to "Christianity".  Proves my point.

One, Dr. King was a PREACHER (or did you forget that?).

Two, Christmas is celebrated FOR THE EXPRESSED PURPOSE OF ACKNOWLEDGING A SIGNFICANT RELIGIOUS EVENT: The Birth of Jesus Christ (REGARDLESS of whether he was actually born on Dec. 25th, which I have never asserted nor mantained).

[MCWAY]

Again, having to repeat for the slow ones in class :


Only stupid people mistake references to God as the doctrine of Christianity Doctrine.

Which is exactly why the most powerful man in the nation at any given time - POTUS - isn't required to utter those words.

But, the most powerful man in the nation, at any given time, HAS UTTERED SUCH, of his own free will!!

And, they do so, because they acknowledge the heritage of this country, as cited by our Founding Fathers, two of which I just quoted (contrary to your crackpot claims that I didn't).

[Soul Crusher]

IMHO - religion has ZERO place in politics,. whether its the people in the black church screaming like Rev. Wright, or Huckster, or the Jerry Falwell types.  

Of course private morality comes into play, but that is a far cry from organized religion influence legislation in terms of what organized religion wants.

IMHO it corrupts the religion.    

[LurkerNoMore]

One, Dr. King was a PREACHER (or did you forget that?).

Two, Christmas is celebrated FOR THE EXPRESSED PURPOSE OF ACKNOWLEDGING A SIGNFICANT RELIGIOUS EVENT: The Birth of Jesus Christ (REGARDLESS of whether he was actually born on Dec. 25th, which I have never asserted nor mantained).

Big fucking deal what King was.  He was also a person who violate "Christian principles" by having affairs.  One thing he wasn't was a Founding Father or anyone who had input to what went in the Constitution so your little attempt at linkage is completely irrelevant.  No surprise there.

Was Columbus a preacher?  No.
Washington?  No.
Are Memorial Day and Veterans Day geared only for "holy wars"?  No.

Keep trying.  Maybe you one day post something of logic.

[MCWAY]

IMHO - religion has ZERO place in politics,. whether its the people in the black church screaming like Rev. Wright, or Huckster, or the Jerry Falwell types.  

Of course private morality comes into play, but that is a far cry from organized religion influence legislation in terms of what organized religion wants.

IMHO it corrupts the religion.    

You aren't down with "Praise the Lord and vote for me"-style politics. Boy, you aren't much fun!!!

Rest assured that Obama will get the Holy Ghost, when his presidency in on the line in 2012. His challenger will, too.

[LurkerNoMore]

But, the most powerful man in the nation, at any given time, HAS UTTERED SUCH, of his own free will!!

And, they do so, because they acknowledge the heritage of this country, as cited by our Founding Fathers, two of which I just quoted (contrary to your crackpot claims that I didn't).

Too bad the Constitution and POTUS oath doesn't support your delusions.  Well, not too bad... more like "Thank God" they don't.

[LurkerNoMore]

IMHO - religion has ZERO place in politics,. whether its the people in the black church screaming like Rev. Wright, or Huckster, or the Jerry Falwell types.  

Of course private morality comes into play, but that is a far cry from organized religion influence legislation in terms of what organized religion wants.

IMHO it corrupts the religion.    

This is why the right wing base continues to shrink every election.

[Soul Crusher]

Big fucking deal what King was.  He was also a person who violate "Christian principles" by having affairs.  One thing he wasn't was a Founding Father or anyone who had input to what went in the Constitution so your little attempt at linkage is completely irrelevant.  No surprise there.

Was Columbus a preacher?  No.
Washington?  No.
Are Memorial Day and Veterans Day geared only for "holy wars"?  No.

Keep trying.  Maybe you one day post something of logic.

The thing that concerns me most with the religious types, whether right or left, if that they will justify unconstitutuional positions on issues based upon what they believe their religion tells them what to do as opposed to what the constituion, legal history, and legal precedent says.  

[MCWAY]

Big fucking deal what King was.  He was also a person who violate "Christian principles" by having affairs.  One thing he wasn't was a Founding Father or anyone who had input to what went in the Constitution so your little attempt at linkage is completely irrelevant.  No surprise there.

Was Columbus a preacher?  No.
Washington?  No.
Are Memorial Day and Veterans Day geared only for "holy wars"?  No.

Keep trying.  Maybe you one day post something of logic.

None of those other federal holidays had to do with the birth a RELIGIOUS ENTITY.

And, since I've already cited some of the Founding Fathers and their buy-in on the matter, I can easily dismiss your musings for the first-class buffoonery that it is.

Get a clue, get some sense, and grow a spine.

[Soul Crusher]

You aren't down with "Praise the Lord and vote for me"-style politics. Boy, you aren't much fun!!!

Rest assured that Obama will get the Holy Ghost, when his presidency in on the line in 2012. His challenger will, too.

Hell no.  I am a libertarian by and large and dont like it when people like Huckster justify economic socialism with his religious beliefs.  Its awful. 

I can both respect your absolute right to religion and its beliefs and also have libertarian beliefs at the same time.   

[MCWAY]

This is why the right wing base continues to shrink every election.

Wrong again, Lurker.


This ranks right up there with your silly claims about the Dems having Washington on lock. Right now, they're quaking in their boots about what just went down less than 48 hours ago.

The Dems know their hides are on the line THIS YEAR. Their supermajority is GONE, in the most unlikely fashion possible (their ace-in-the-hole Senate seat just got SNATCHED from them). Obamacare is DOA and the Dems who sold out their constituents to attempt pass this mess are running for the hills.

[LurkerNoMore]

None of those other federal holidays had to do with the birth a RELIGIOUS ENTITY.

And, since I've already cited some of the Founding Fathers and their buy-in on the matter, I can easily dismiss your musings for the first-class buffoonery that it is.

Get a clue, get some sense, and grow a spine.

Of none of the others had anything to do with a RELIGIOUS ENTITY.  (gnashing those teeth aren't you)

Because we are a secular nation is the reason why.  As evident by the very first amendment that you keep trying to argue with.     Tard.

[LurkerNoMore]

Wrong again, Lurker.


This ranks right up there with your silly claims about the Dems having Washington on lock. Right now, they're quaking in their boots about what just went down less than 48 hours ago.

The Dems know their hides are on the line THIS YEAR. Their supermajority is GONE, in the most unlikely fashion possible (their ace-in-the-hole Senate seat just got SNATCHED from them). Obamacare is DOA and the Dems who sold out their constituents to attempt pass this mess are running for the hills.

The right wing religious conservatives are a dying breed.  "Thank God". 

The next election, just like the last will be decided by moderates and independents.

You are a complete tool.  Tell me, did you work hard to become so stupid or did it just come natural for you.

[BM OUT]

The right wing religious conservatives are a dying breed.  "Thank God". 

The next election, just like the last will be decided by moderates and independents.

You are a complete tool.  Tell me, did you work hard to become so stupid or did it just come natural for you.

While the religious aspect is probably true,conservatism is on the rise.Gallop had a poll showing that conservatism is now the most popular ideology.This country has always been center right.Now we have a tool in there that is a socialist and the country is speaking.

[Soul Crusher]

The right wing religious conservatives are a dying breed.  "Thank God". 

The next election, just like the last will be decided by moderates and independents.

You are a complete tool.  Tell me, did you work hard to become so stupid or did it just come natural for you.

IMHO - the winning formula for the GOP needs to be pro-freedom libertarianism like RP, Schiff, Harry Browne, etc.  

To economic liberty is far more important right now since we are all getting raped in taxes, inflation etc.  You want to attract tons of voters, get a charasmatic libertarian to describe how the govt is screwing you financially dailly.  You want religious freedom?  Great - knock yourself out, you will never here from me.  

However, to me the true moral issue is the govt stealing your $, not esoteric "pro-family values" nonsense that should be taught in the home first and foremost.  

I dont understand the "pro-family values" crowd who trusts the govt to somehow teach these supposed values.  WTF is that?  

Get the govt out of our lives, relifiously, economically, civically as much as possible, etc.  

[2ND COMING]

While the religious aspect is probably true,conservatism is on the rise.Gallop had a poll showing that conservatism is now the most popular ideology.This country has always been center right.Now we have a tool in there that is a socialist and the country is speaking.

lurker is right. social libertarianism is on the rise. Most likely because young people are getting more involved in politics.