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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #225 on: January 25, 2010, 11:09:03 AM »
Not to get in the way of a brawl, BUT

I dont understand why any religious person would want their religion anywhere near the corrupt govt or anything to do with it if they perceive their own religion to be pure and clean.   

To me it makes no sense.

Just my .02. 

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #226 on: January 25, 2010, 11:14:35 AM »
Is it the Baby Jeesbus or Teh Stupid that is in your eyes making you blind?

No separation of church and state?  Oooooohhhkay!  You have just proven your stupidity has no limits.

Tell THAT to the US Supreme Court!!


The concept of a "wall" of separation between church and state is a useful metaphor but is not an accurate description of the practical aspects of the relationship that in fact exists. The Constitution does not require complete separation of church and state; it affirmatively mandates accommodation, not merely tolerance, of all religions, and forbids hostility toward any. Anything less would require the "callous indifference"
... - US Supreme Court, "LYNCH v. DONNELLY", 1984


We do, which is why we are a secular nation. 

Adams, Jay, and other Founding Fathers say we are a CHRISTIAN nation. Get a grip and a clue, please. You sound even more ridiculous than normal.


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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #227 on: January 25, 2010, 11:19:22 AM »
Not to get in the way of a brawl, BUT

I dont understand why any religious person would want their religion anywhere near the corrupt govt or anything to do with it if they perceive their own religion to be pure and clean.   

To me it makes no sense.

Just my .02. 

Well, to quote the one of the Founding Father, whom Lurker foolishly claims I never did, regarding this issue:

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” - John Jay

The founders felt that if non-Christian people (or at least, those who were such in name only) were put into power, "Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution....".

Unfortunately, that's darn near happened, thanks to silly Dems and GOPers, alike.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #228 on: January 25, 2010, 11:21:50 AM »
Not to get in the way of a brawl, BUT

I dont understand why any religious person would want their religion anywhere near the corrupt govt or anything to do with it if they perceive their own religion to be pure and clean.   

To me it makes no sense.

Just my .02. 

There is a reason that God isn't listed anywhere at all in the Constitution.  And your statement above is exactly why.  

That is why this is not a Christian nation anymore than it is a Jewish nation.  

They were determined to separate religion and government, and thus, they wrote a constitution that was entirely secular. It begins by identifying the source of its legitimacy: “We the people of the United States...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Doesn't say "We the Christians..."  Nor does it even mention God.

While John Adams was president, the young nation clearly affirmed its secular status when it signed a treaty with Tripoli, a Muslim region of North Africa. Article 11 of the treaty states, "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"

The hypocrisy of religious idiots arguments is the very fact that if this were a christian nation based on the ten commandments the very constitution itself would be a contradiction as the First Amendment clearly violates the First Commandment.

But when using facts and logic, you have to require rabid christians to have more than two brain cells - one which is devoted exclusively to the jeebus.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #229 on: January 25, 2010, 11:33:14 AM »
Tell THAT to the US Supreme Court!!


The concept of a "wall" of separation between church and state is a useful metaphor but is not an accurate description of the practical aspects of the relationship that in fact exists. The Constitution does not require complete separation of church and state; it affirmatively mandates accommodation, not merely tolerance, of all religions, and forbids hostility toward any. Anything less would require the "callous indifference"
... - US Supreme Court, "LYNCH v. DONNELLY", 1984

Adams, Jay, and other Founding Fathers say we are a CHRISTIAN nation. Get a grip and a clue, please. You sound even more ridiculous than normal.



The Supreme Court didn't write the Constitution.  Fucking DUH!!! 

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison agreed the Constitution was a secular establishment of the nation. Looking back on the destruction religious wars had caused since the Protestant Reformation, they believed that the surest way to achieve the domestic peace necessary for free and orderly economic activity and to avoid the oppression and injustice caused by various forms of religious establishment, was to separate the religious and civil realms. Which is why church and state ARE separated.  Fucking DUH!!!!

When Jefferson's Bill to Establish Religious Freedom came up again in 1786, it passed by a vote of 60 to 27. In an attempt to give some kind of official recognition to Christianity, some assemblymen tried to insert an acknowledgment of “Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” Jefferson took pleasure in the fact that “the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, the infidel of every denomination.” which is the very foundation of secular establishment.   Fucking DUH!!!

Adams said we are not a Christian Nation with the Treaty of Tripoli.  Fucking DUH!!!!

You are a certified idiot.  Fucking DUH!!!!


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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #230 on: January 25, 2010, 11:40:40 AM »
Well, to quote the one of the Founding Father, whom Lurker foolishly claims I never did, regarding this issue:

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” - John Jay

The founders felt that if non-Christian people (or at least, those who were such in name only) were put into power, "Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution....".

Unfortunately, that's darn near happened, thanks to silly Dems and GOPers, alike.

I am not religious at all, and to me, many people who claim to be religious have done all of those things already. 

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #231 on: January 25, 2010, 11:53:14 AM »
There is a reason that God isn't listed anywhere at all in the Constitution.  And your statement above is exactly why.  

That is why this is not a Christian nation anymore than it is a Jewish nation.  

Wrong again, as cited BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS THEMSELVES!!


They were determined to separate religion and government, and thus, they wrote a constitution that was entirely secular. It begins by identifying the source of its legitimacy: “We the people of the United States...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Doesn't say "We the Christians..."  Nor does it even mention God.

Those men were VIRTUALLY ALL CHRISTIANS. Their religious affiliations are shown on the cite I linked sometime ago. There is no mention of God, because such was HARDLY a question in their minds. They were hardly concerned about Allah, Buddha, Molech, or Dagon.


While John Adams was president, the young nation clearly affirmed its secular status when it signed a treaty with Tripoli, a Muslim region of North Africa. Article 11 of the treaty states, "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"

Of course, you leave out (in a feeble attempt to save your pitiful arugments) the words spoken BY ADAMS himself, along with Jay, other Founding Fathers, and rulings from the Supreme Court, which go something to the tune of:

These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?"

Where were the calls to amend the Constitution, to counter such a ruling, if the Founding Fathers SWORE up and down that America was so "secular"?

As usual, you ignore the context of the statement. The Muslims in Tripoli thought America was a theocracy. This treaty is worded to clearly show that it is not. And lost in all of the is the minor fact that, Article 11 of that treaty (containing those words) GOT DROPPED a mere eight years later.

That would explain by a Supreme Court could easily declare that America was a CHRISTIAN Nation in 1892.


The hypocrisy of religious idiots arguments is the very fact that if this were a christian nation based on the ten commandments the very constitution itself would be a contradiction as the First Amendment clearly violates the First Commandment.



Wrong again, spineless one. Reason:

The concept of a "wall" of separation between church and state is a useful metaphor but is not an accurate description of the practical aspects of the relationship that in fact exists. The Constitution does not require complete separation of church and state; it affirmatively mandates accommodation, not merely tolerance, of all religions, and forbids hostility toward any. Anything less would require the "callous indifference"... - US Supreme Court, "LYNCH v. DONNELLY", 1984


If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation? - US Supreme Court, "Church of the Holy Trinity v. The United States", 1892.

Declarations by our US court that we are a Christian nation, with nary a PEEP, from the other Founders (or the people) to have such a ruling amended in the US Constitution.

So, continue to cluck foolishness, O Ye without vertabrae.



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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #232 on: January 25, 2010, 12:03:27 PM »
The Supreme Court didn't write the Constitution.  Fucking DUH!!!  

Yet, after it made such a statement, NOBODY (not the people, nor the Founding Fathers) rose in furious anger DEMANDING that such a ruling be overturned via Constitutional Amendment, as usually happens when a court rules in a manner, inconsistent with its people.

DUH, yourself, Spineless one!!!


Thomas Jefferson and James Madison agreed the Constitution was a secular establishment of the nation. Looking back on the destruction religious wars had caused since the Protestant Reformation, they believed that the surest way to achieve the domestic peace necessary for free and orderly economic activity and to avoid the oppression and injustice caused by various forms of religious establishment, was to separate the religious and civil realms. Which is why church and state ARE separated.  Fucking DUH!!!!


When Jefferson's Bill to Establish Religious Freedom came up again in 1786, it passed by a vote of 60 to 27. In an attempt to give some kind of official recognition to Christianity, some assemblymen tried to insert an acknowledgment of “Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” Jefferson took pleasure in the fact that “the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, the infidel of every denomination.” which is the very foundation of secular establishment.   Fucking DUH!!!

Adams said we are not a Christian Nation with the Treaty of Tripoli.  Fucking DUH!!!!

No, Adams didn't. That treaty was merely to keep American ships from being assaulted by Muslim attackers, not to mention the minor fact that Article 11 ("As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or
tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation.....
") GOT DROPPED from the Treaty less than a decade later.

Plus, we have Adams stating, LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER SIGNING THAT TREATY, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." What religion do you supposed he meant (Hint: it ain't Islam or Molech worship)?

John Jay stated JUST MONTHS BEFORE the treaty was signed, "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

If that weren't enough, we have mutiple Supreme Court cases, declaring the USA as a Christian nation, long after Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli went bye-bye.

You lose again, spineless one.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #233 on: January 25, 2010, 12:06:49 PM »
We are not supposed to have rules.  We have represenatives. 

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #234 on: January 25, 2010, 12:08:05 PM »
I am not religious at all, and to me, many people who claim to be religious have done all of those things already. 

You ain't lying on that one. That's why those who are people of faith (and those who aren't) need to give these folks the heave-ho.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #235 on: January 25, 2010, 12:26:48 PM »
--God was purposely left out of the Constitution
--Jesus - the icon of Christianity - was left out of the Constitution
--America has no established church
-- Every religion and sect known to Man is at home here;
-- Religious and scriptural arguments are invalid in our courts;
-- Religious tests for public office are barred by the Constitution.
--Church and state is separated

America is not a Christian nation.

Pretending it is simply because of your own insecurities and lack of independent thought process is not going to make it so. 

Baby Jeebus is weeping over your stupidity right now. 

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #236 on: January 25, 2010, 12:36:14 PM »
--God was purposely left out of the Constitution
--Jesus - the icon of Christianity - was left out of the Constitution
--America has no established church
-- Every religion and sect known to Man is at home here;
-- Religious and scriptural arguments are invalid in our courts;
-- Religious tests for public office are barred by the Constitution.
--Church and state is separated

America is not a Christian nation.

Pretending it is simply because of your own insecurities and lack of independent thought process is not going to make it so.  

I don't have to pretend. The Founding Fathers are the ones who declared America a Christian nation. Denying that, even with the words of the Founding Fathers (in BLACK AND WHITE) clearly in front of your face, merely exposes your whining for the first-class buffoonery that it is.

Like the true chicken that you are, you continue to dodge the facts, especially when they clobber your screwball claims, namely about the Treaty of Tripoli, which I easily dismantled. Lest you forget, the man who signed the Treaty into law declared our nation a Christian one. AND, Article 11 (the one to which you cling in utter fear and ignorance, to support your cluckings) GOT DROPPED a mere eight years later.

Throw in a few Supreme Court rulings and yet MORE Founding Fathers' statements about America, as a Christian nation, and all your musing get put to sleep.

Edit -- Just to throw yet another dagger in the heart of your stupid arguments, I will remind you of a 2002 ruling in the Cleveland school voucher case, "Zelman v. Simmons-Harris". That's the ruling, which allows states with school voucher programs to use such voucher at religious schools (under certain conditions).


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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #237 on: January 25, 2010, 12:49:07 PM »
HAHAHAHAHA!!

Lurker looking stupid as always.  He keeps restating the same lies, yet doesn't respond, nor tries to acknowledge the quotes posted by Mcway that are directly from the founding fathers.

Lurker getting absolutely destroyed.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #238 on: January 25, 2010, 01:01:24 PM »
--God was purposely left out of the Constitution
--Jesus - the icon of Christianity - was left out of the Constitution
--America has no established church
-- Every religion and sect known to Man is at home here;
-- Religious and scriptural arguments are invalid in our courts;
-- Religious tests for public office are barred by the Constitution.
--Church and state is separated

America is not a Christian nation.

Pretending it is simply because of your own insecurities and lack of independent thought process is not going to make it so. 

Baby Jeebus is weeping over your stupidity right now. 

It's so fun watching Christards try to twist the facts to support their own delusions.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #239 on: January 25, 2010, 01:04:12 PM »
HAHAHAHAHA!!

Lurker looking stupid as always.  He keeps restating the same lies, yet doesn't respond, nor tries to acknowledge the quotes posted by Mcway that are directly from the founding fathers.

Lurker getting absolutely destroyed.

Oh, and the exact quotes I provided are not from the  Founding Fathers and the word for word contents of the First Amendment?  Are you blind or just stupid?

Ok.  Since you are obviously as stupid as the other idiot on here, perhaps you can help her out and find where God or Jesus or a Christian Nation is listed in the Constitution? 

The only thing getting destroyed is the credibility of Christians in light of their insecurities and sheeple mentality.  Good job for proving that.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #240 on: January 25, 2010, 01:05:50 PM »
It's so fun watching Christards try to twist the facts to support their own delusions.

You mean like YOUR trying to twist the Treaty of Tripoli, as proof that John Adams claimed that America was not a Christian nation, despite his words to the contrary......AND THE FACT that Article 11 of that treaty (containing those words about America not being a Christian nation) GOT DROPPED from the Treaty, less than a decade later?


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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #241 on: January 25, 2010, 01:08:03 PM »
"...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Maybe the word God is not mentioned specifically but I think it is implied by the above. What religion? I don't know. Of the three major ones: Islam, Judaism and Christianity, I think we can speculate what predominated at the time. In fact, I think we can speculate what religion predominates in this country (U.S.) now.

I think the founders were very adamant on creating a secular government. But I think the values of the society were clearly influenced by the Judeo/Christian ethic. I don't know why some feel it is so important to deny that. If so, where did the founding fathers come up with their values?

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #242 on: January 25, 2010, 01:09:35 PM »
The bottom line that you have to live with, deal with, cry over or pray about... (who cares anyway)

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was not founded with Christian views in mind. That assumption is a Nationalist one which often confuses the Bible with the Bill of Rights. Educated people - which would exclude you - have long known as it should be that our early Patriots and Inventors were more Scientists and Scholars than they were Religious. The Constitution was written with full knowledge of what happens when you let " religion " guide a government.

So once again for the benefit of the slow ones on board...

--God was purposely left out of the Constitution
--Jesus - the icon of Christianity - was left out of the Constitution
--America has no established church
-- Every religion and sect known to Man is at home here;
-- Religious and scriptural arguments are invalid in our courts;
-- Religious tests for public office are barred by the Constitution.
--Church and state is separated

America is not a Christian nation.

Pretending it is simply because of your own insecurities and lack of independent thought process is not going to make it so.

Baby Jeebus is weeping over your stupidity right now.  

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #243 on: January 25, 2010, 01:10:28 PM »
Oh, and the exact quotes I provided are not from the  Founding Fathers and the word for word contents of the First Amendment?  Are you blind or just stupid?

Not quite. You conveniently LEAVE OUT the statements, made by those same men, regarding the Christian nature of our country, as was evidence by your boneheaded use of the Treaty of Tripoli.


Ok.  Since you are obviously as stupid as the other idiot on here, perhaps you can help her out and find where God or Jesus or a Christian Nation is listed in the Constitution? 

The only thing getting destroyed is the credibility of Christians in light of their insecurities and sheeple mentality.  Good job for proving that.

You couldn't destroy toilet paper, with a gallon of water and a set of Ginsu knives. When the facts come in, you run out, like the spineless silly man that you are.

Once again, the Founding Fathers stated, point-blank, that this was a Christian nation. And, if there were any doubts about that, when the Treaty of Tripoli was written, the Founding Fathers took care of that, BY DROPPING ARTICLE 11 FROM THE TREATY.


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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #244 on: January 25, 2010, 01:11:41 PM »
Edit -- Just to throw yet another dagger in the heart of your stupid arguments, I will remind you of a 2002 ruling in the Cleveland school voucher case, "Zelman v. Simmons-Harris". That's the ruling, which allows states with school voucher programs to use such voucher at religious schools (under certain conditions).



Nice try with irrelevant info.  The Constitution was not written in 2002.  

To beat you at your own little pitiful game, if the Constitution and nation was founded on Christian principles, Roe vs Wade wouldn't exist.  But what did the Supreme Court say about that?  Fucking DUH!!!!   It might help your argument if you use logic and don't get busted by general contradictions.

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #245 on: January 25, 2010, 01:12:36 PM »
"...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Maybe the word God is not mentioned specifically but I think it is implied by the above. What religion? I don't know. Of the three major ones: Islam, Judaism and Christianity, I think we can speculate what predominated at the time. In fact, I think we can speculate what religion predominates in this country (U.S.) now.

I think the founders were very adamant on creating a secular government. But I think the values of the society were clearly influenced by the Judeo/Christian ethic. I don't know why some feel it is so important to deny that. If so, where did the founding fathers come up with their values?

Of course the "inalienable rights" come from God, that being life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.  However, the Founders never intended a christian govt or any govt influenced by religious figures for that matter.      

I still have no idea why any religious person would want their religion involved with the govt on any level or vice versa.  It baffles me that anyone can not understand the fact that many people came here fleeing religious oppression due solely from the fact that in Europe the governments were too involved with religion in the first place.  The pilgrims wanted freedom of religion, that being to be left the hell alone from the govt.  

Lets keep it that way.      

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #246 on: January 25, 2010, 01:13:18 PM »
"...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Maybe the word God is not mentioned specifically but I think it is implied by the above. What religion? I don't know. Of the three major ones: Islam, Judaism and Christianity, I think we can speculate what predominated at the time. In fact, I think we can speculate what religion predominates in this country (U.S.) now.

I think the founders were very adamant on creating a secular government. But I think the values of the society were clearly influenced by the Judeo/Christian ethic. I don't know why some feel it is so important to deny that. If so, where did the founding fathers come up with their values?

Of course the "inalienable rights" come from God, that being life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.  However, the Founders never intended a christian govt or any govt influenced by religious figures for that matter.      

I still have no idea why any religious person would want their religion involved with the govt on any level or vice versa.  It baffles me that anyone can not understand the fact that many people came here fleeing religious oppression due solely from the fact that in Europe the governments were too involved with religion in the first place.  The pilgrims wanted freedom of religion, that being to be left the hell alone from the govt.  

Lets keep it that way.      

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #247 on: January 25, 2010, 01:13:33 PM »
Once again, the Founding Fathers stated, point-blank, that this was a Christian nation.


Idiot.
Quote
--God was purposely left out of the Constitution
--Jesus - the icon of Christianity - was left out of the Constitution
--America has no established church
-- Every religion and sect known to Man is at home here;
-- Religious and scriptural arguments are invalid in our courts;
-- Religious tests for public office are barred by the Constitution.
--Church and state is separated

America is not a Christian nation.

Pretending it is simply because of your own insecurities and lack of independent thought process is not going to make it so.

Baby Jeebus is weeping over your stupidity right now.  

Perhaps you find the Jebus in the Constitution and share with the rest of us?

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #248 on: January 25, 2010, 01:13:55 PM »
"...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Maybe the word God is not mentioned specifically but I think it is implied by the above. What religion? I don't know. Of the three major ones: Islam, Judaism and Christianity, I think we can speculate what predominated at the time. In fact, I think we can speculate what religion predominates in this country (U.S.) now.

I think the founders were very adamant on creating a secular government. But I think the values of the society were clearly influenced by the Judeo/Christian ethic. I don't know why some feel it is so important to deny that. If so, where did the founding fathers come up with their values?

Of course the "inalienable rights" come from God, that being life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.  However, the Founders never intended a christian govt or any govt influenced by religious figures for that matter.      

I still have no idea why any religious person would want their religion involved with the govt on any level or vice versa.  It baffles me that anyone can not understand the fact that many people came here fleeing religious oppression due solely from the fact that in Europe the governments were too involved with religion in the first place.  The pilgrims wanted freedom of religion, that being to be left the hell alone from the govt.  

Lets keep it that way.      

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Re: Sarah Palin Takes Stupid To A New Level With Glenn Beck!!
« Reply #249 on: January 25, 2010, 01:16:34 PM »
It baffles me that anyone can not understand the fact that many people came here fleeing religious oppression due solely from the fact that in Europe the governments were too involved with religion in the first place.  

Exactly.  But common sense isn't effective for people with the Jebus Infection.

Combining church and state is absolutely what the Constitution did not do.