People in MA tell Obama, Liberals, and Healthcare to eat dick!!!

[Straw Man]

Yeah, every taxpayer is screaming for higher taxes and mandates on insurance Straw. 

Ha ha.  Keep following these "progressives" off the cliff bro.

keep getting raped on health insurance with your high premiums and high deductibles and hope that when you actually need the insurance they don't just cancel it on you.

the Dems in power have the same problem as the Republicans  - they are all owned by corporate benefactors.

Get the lobbyist out of Washington and get rid or "corporate personhood" and you'd go a long way to fixing many of the problems in this country

[Soul Crusher]

keep getting raped on health insurance with your high premiums and high deductibles and hope that when you actually need the insurance they don't just cancel it on you.

the Dems in power have the same problem as the Republicans  - they are all owned by corporate benefactors.

Get the lobbyist out of Washington and get rid or "corporate personhood" and you'd go a long way to fixing many of the problems in this country

No arguement with you on that.  However, it seems you need to tell that to the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave. 

[MCWAY]

If Palin can't handle the media how the fuck is she going to handle the country much less our enemies

btw - your stated goal for our govt is gridlock and doing nothing and very few sane people share that "vision"

maybe you should face the fact that you're on the radicalized fringe of the political spectrum

As I said, this is a different Sarah Palin than the one that the media skewered in 2008.

Besides, if anyone is showing that he can't handle the media (or the country or our enemies), it's Obama.

For two years, they were kissing his behind. Now, the honeymoon's all but over and the coal-raking is beginning.

The stimulus is a bust; healthcare is all but dead. And, Obama's failure to deliver on certain promises is biting him right in the booty.

[Soul Crusher]

As I said, this is a different Sarah Palin than the one that the media skewered in 2008.

Besides, if anyone is showing that he can't handle the media (or the country or our enemies), it's Obama.

For two years, they were kissing his behind. Now, the honeymoon's all but over and the coal-raking is beginning.

The stimulus is a bust; healthcare is all but dead. And, Obama's failure to deliver on certain promises is biting him right in the booty.

What we need to kill off next is cap & trade.    After that, amnesty for illegals. 

[Straw Man]

No arguement with you on that.  However, it seems you need to tell that to the current occupant of 1600 PA Ave. 

ok - I'll call Obama and tell him you enjoy getting raped on health insurance

seriously though, you know that Obama is just like all other politicians (including your beloved Palin) and is a corporatist.  

Corporate "needs" will always come before people

[Soul Crusher]

ok - I'll call Obama and tell him you enjoy getting raped on health insurance

seriously though, you know that Obama is just like all other politicians (including your beloved Palin) and is a corporatist.  

Corporate "needs" will always come before people

I pay $285 a month for health insurance.  I have no problem with that. 

[MRDUMPLING]

If this is going to turn into private insurance...something needs to be done.  My father has a genetic kidney disease that is starting to take a turn for the worst; he has insurance but they will not cover anything if it has to do with his kidneys!  Not to make a sob story, I just thinks it's fucking bullshit that he can't get treated because of preexisting conditions that aren't even his fault in the first place!  Something needs to be done, but this current bill is a fucking disgrace...even Pops doesn't want it because he'll get raped as he is a small business owner. 

Anyways...I also watched MSNBC last night more than FOX for the results.  Maddow was about to cry when Brown won I swear!  hahahahahahahahahahhaaha hahahaha!

[Option D]

I agree, If she polishes her verbal game, game over since she is spot on on 95% of the issues.  First Female President.

 

 

False

[James]

If this is going to turn into private insurance...something needs to be done.  My father has a genetic kidney disease that is starting to take a turn for the worst; he has insurance but they will not cover anything if it has to do with his kidneys!  Not to make a sob story, I just thinks it's fucking bullshit that he can't get treated because of preexisting conditions that aren't even his fault in the first place!  Something needs to be done, but this current bill is a fucking disgrace...even Pops doesn't want it because he'll get raped as he is a small business owner.

Anyways...I also watched MSNBC last night more than FOX for the results.  Maddow was about to cry when Brown won I swear!  hahahahahahahahahahhaaha hahahaha!

What State does your father live in ?

The reason I ask is many States have High Risk Insurance Pools, for people like your Father.

[Soul Crusher]

False

Anything can happen.  Who would have thought one year after Obama won in a electoral college landslide he would be as toxic as kryptonite to any personal he campaigned for and everywhere he goes?

And secondly, why should I listen to you?  You voted for this fool and he is turning out even worse than I imagined, and thats a lot.  

So, if you were dead wrong on Obama, why should I assume your judgement is any better than for Palin?

[MRDUMPLING]

What State does your father live in ?

The reason I ask is many States have High Risk Insurance Pools, for people like your Father.

SC, I never knew that so I will look into it.  It's just a fucking shame that this "healthcare" bill doesn't even really help the people that need it.  Oh well...they're politicians so what do you expect?  Hopefully more and more people will get on board and vote for other than the status quo.

[Option D]

Anything can happen.  Who would have thought one year after Obama won in a electoral college landslide he would be as toxic as kryptonite to any personal he campaigned for and everywhere he goes?

And secondly, why should I listen to you?  You voted for this fool and he is turning out even worse than I imagined, and thats a lot.  

So, if you were dead wrong on Obama, why should I assume your judgement is any better than for Palin?

you voted for Bush...

[Option D]

your logic is astounding

[Straw Man]

I pay $285 a month for health insurance.  I have no problem with that. 

surely you're aware that just stating a premium and no other info is meaningless

1.  What is your deductible
2.  After you pay your deductible what % of sharing in expense to you still have to pay (since you're self employed and probably not on a group plan I'd guess you still have to cover 30% of anything beyond your deductible up to yet another limit.
3.  What's your total amount of coverage
4.  What pre-existing conditions are excluded
5.  Who get's to make the decisions on what care you get, which doctor you see, which drugs will be covered.
6.  What prevents your insurance company from simply denying a claim.
7.  If they deny a claim where can you go for recourse (you're an attorney so you have optoins but many people can't afford an attorney to go to court for something like this).

Do you see why just stating a premium is kind of meaningless?

[Soul Crusher]

surely you're aware that just stating a premium and no other info is meaningless

1.  What is your deductible
2.  After you pay your deductible what % of sharing in expense to you still have to pay (since you're self employed and probably not on a group plan I'd guess you still have to cover 30% of anything beyond your deductible up to yet another limit.
3.  What's your total amount of coverage
4.  What pre-existing conditions are excluded
5.  Who get's to make the decisions on what care you get, which doctor you see, which drugs will be covered.
6.  What prevents your insurance company from simply denying a claim.
7.  If they deny a claim where can you go for recourse (you're an attorney so you have optoins but many people can't afford an attorney to go to court for something like this).

Do you see why just stating a premium is kind of meaningless?

I have to look, but its sort of a low premium high deductible plan, which I want sinne.  I think hospitalization is I am responsible for first 5k and they cover the rest which is fine since 5k is nothing for me in that type of instance. 

[Straw Man]

I have to look, but its sort of a low premium high deductible plan, which I want sinne.  I think hospitalization is I am responsible for first 5k and they cover the rest which is fine since 5k is nothing for me in that type of instance. 

you should check on that - you might find you still share expenses up to another limit.

what you have is basically a form of self insurance.  You pay 285 a month and, best case you still have to cover the first 5k in expenses (perhaps even more).

In any given year you're out of pocket 8320 before your insurance company pays one cent and then there's the issue of pre-existing conditions, rescission, health insurance administrators deciding what treatment you should get, etc....

[Soul Crusher]

you should check on that - you might find you still share expenses up to another limit.

what you have is basically a form of self insurance.  You pay 285 a month and, best case you still have to cover the first 5k in expenses (perhaps even more).

In any given year you're out of pocket 8320 before your insurance company pays one cent and then there's the issue of pre-existing conditions, rescission, health insurance administrators deciding what treatment you should get, etc....

I have to look of course.  Straw, understand something else, I know I am mortal and that at some point I am going to die and that there is nothing anyone will be able to do.  I dont have any illusions of immortality etc and think of HC insurance as a hedge against future costs etc. 

[James]

SC, I never knew that so I will look into it.  It's just a fucking shame that this "healthcare" bill doesn't even really help the people that need it.  Oh well...they're politicians so what do you expect?  Hopefully more and more people will get on board and vote for other than the status quo.

here you go:

http://www.doi.sc.gov/consumer/schip.htm

[James]

you should check on that - you might find you still share expenses up to another limit.

what you have is basically a form of self insurance.  You pay 285 a month and, best case you still have to cover the first 5k in expenses (perhaps even more).

In any given year you're out of pocket 8320 before your insurance company pays one cent and then there's the issue of pre-existing conditions, rescission, health insurance administrators deciding what treatment you should get, etc....

The HIPAA laws require pre-existing be covered, unless you did not have insurance at the time of application

Also,  If he has a 100% plan ( after the Annual Ded.) He would not have "8320" out of pocket unless the claim happened at the end of the year, so you are wrong once again.

Lastly, 333 has a 5000 deductible, because he so chooses. His choice.

[tonymctones]

If Palin can't handle the media how the fuck is she going to handle the country much less our enemies

btw - your stated goal for our govt is gridlock and doing nothing and very few sane people share that "vision"

maybe you should face the fact that you're on the radicalized fringe of the political spectrum

youre right straw its not like she tried to keep certain stations out of her press conferences and refused to speak with certain news stations....

THAT WAS OBAMA     

[Azn Muscle]

Oh brother these lefty liberals are nuts!

All you out of touch liberals think about is HEALTHCARE HEALTHCARE HEALTHCARE!

Guess what bitches, AMERICA NEEDS JOBS!  JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS!  What don't you understand?

Unemployment is 10%+ and upwards of 17% if you count all the people who have given up looking.

Sure it'd be nice if everyone had healthcare, but I WOULD RATHER HAVE A DAMN JOB!!! 

With a JOB I can buy my own HEALTHCARE.  I cannot feed/house myself with HEALTHCARE.

You left idiots are amazing. 

[Straw Man]

The HIPAA laws require pre-existing be covered, unless you did not have insurance at the time of application

Also,  If he has a 100% plan ( after the Annual Ded.) He would not have "8320" out of pocket unless the claim happened at the end of the year, so you are wrong once again.

Lastly, 333 has a 5000 deductible, because he so chooses. His choice.

since 333 did not have insurance prior for many years is it safe to assume that any pre-existing condition would not be covered?

you're right - he would not have the 8320 out of pocket unless the claim happened in December.

I'm self employed too and I'm well aware of the deductable vs. monthly premium choice

Either way - the plan is designed as essentially a form of self insurance for most of the mundane medical needs and even minor surgery