France moves closer to banning the burqa.

[kcballer]

Why dont those "women" go the hell home if they dont like it. 

They are home retard.  They are either born in france or came from french territories 

[Soul Crusher]

They are home retard.  They are either born in france or came from french territories 

Than if they dont like it, or feel it is a violation of some right, they can:

A.  Move 

B.  Sue to repeal it. 

c.  Blow themselves up. 

 

[kcballer]

Nice try but my problem rests with the fact that France is a secular country. It's dictated in their constitution and this applies to ALL religions. Muslims, in their great crusade against the West, are again trying to circumvent that fact. France's constitution has now been around for a few centuries. The Muslims, try as they might, are not exempt from the constitution because they have a problem with everything. If they don't like it, they can go back to a Muslim country and rock their burqa and be modern day slaves to their heart's content.

Not that it matters. The French government pussied out and is only recommending a "partial" burqa ban. 

It's not a try at anything.  It exposes you to what you really are.  A discriminatory figure who believes someones rights should be taken away based on their beliefs which you yourself have admitted to not agreeing with.  I stand by that this is exactly the type of behavior exhibited by Anti-Semites throughout history.  

[kcballer]

Than if they dont like it, or feel it is a violation of some right, they can:

A.  Move 

B.  Sue to repeal it. 

c.  Blow themselves up. 

 

So you'd be okay with the US Govt telling you what to wear? I mean you'd just move, blow yourself up or spend thousands of dollars trying to sue right?  You'd have no issues because those are your options right?

[Fury]

It's not a try at anything.  It exposes you to what you really are.  A discriminatory figure who believes someones rights should be taken away based on their beliefs which you yourself have admitted to not agreeing with.  I stand by that this is exactly the type of behavior exhibited by Anti-Semites throughout history.  

What rights? Not wearing a burqa does not affect one's ability to practice Islam, dipshit.

It is a tool used to subjugate women and nothing more. Thus, it has no place in Western society. Try as the Muslim Crusaders might, women are not slaves in Western society.

[Soul Crusher]

So you'd be okay with the US Govt telling you what to wear? I mean you'd just move, blow yourself up or spend thousands of dollars trying to sue right?  You'd have no issues because those are your options right?

This is France, not the USA.  

I dont know what their laws are.  If their constittion permits it, they are free to enact this law.  

If the 365/24/7 Halloween crowd does not like it, they can move.  

[kcballer]

What rights? Not wearing a burqa does not affect one's ability to practice Islam, dipshit.

It is a tool used to subjugate women and nothing more. Thus, it has no place in Western society. Try as the Muslim Crusaders might, women are not slaves in Western society.

It's a freedom that is being taken away.  I've already agreed that it should not be used as a tool by men against woman but if a woman wishes to wear one then so be it, that is HER choice.  Not the Govts, not yours, not mine, HERS.  You are as bad as the men trying to force woman to wear it, both of you have little regard for their rights in this instance. 

[kcballer]

This is France, not the USA.  

I dont know what their laws are.  If their constittion permits it, they are free to enact this law.  

If the 365/24/7 Halloween crowd does not like it, they can move.  

So freedom doesn't matter to you?  Just wanted to make sure of that so next time you go crying about gun rights or taxes or the govt you'll take your own advice and either


A.  Move

B.  Sue to repeal it.

c.  Or Blow yourself up.

 

[Fury]

It's a freedom that is being taken away.  I've already agreed that it should not be used as a tool by men against woman but if a woman wishes to wear one then so be it, that is HER choice.  Not the Govts, not yours, not mine, HERS.  You are as bad as the men trying to force woman to wear it, both of you have little regard for their rights in this instance.  

No, it's not her choice. Her choice does not override the French constitution. Is that so hard for you to grasp?

The French constitution was around before she was born and will probably be around long after she's dead. If they have a problem with it, they can leave. Their perceived rights (which wearing a burqa isn't) do not come before what the constitution mandates. If they have a problem with secularism, they can move to Saudi Arabia or another country where women get beaten for not wearing their burqa.

[kcballer]

No, it's not her choice. Her choice does not override the French constitution. Is that so hard for you to grasp?

The French constitution was around before she was born and will probably be around long after she's dead. If they have a problem with it, they can leave. Their perceived rights (which wearing a burqa isn't) do not come before what the constitution mandates. If they have a problem with secularism, they can move to Saudi Arabia or another country where women get beaten for not wearing their burqa.

Please be specific where is says a woman cannot choose what she wishes to wear in the french constitution?  A burqa is a choice of clothing is it not? So you would also support a ban on all winter jackets or all pairs of jeans too right?

[Fury]

Please be specific where is says a woman cannot choose what she wishes to wear in the french constitution?  A burqa is a choice of clothing is it not? So you would also support a ban on all winter jackets or all pairs of jeans too right?

The burqa has become intertwined with Islam due to the subjugating nature of the Koran, and thus it violates the principle of secularism that France was founded on and is very adamant about protecting. Thus it does not belong in French society. Banning it will not affect the practicing of Islam. Nothing more needs to be said.

[Soul Crusher]

So freedom doesn't matter to you?  Just wanted to make sure of that so next time you go crying about gun rights or taxes or the govt you'll take your own advice and either


A.  Move

B.  Sue to repeal it.

c.  Or Blow yourself up.

 

We are talking about France, not the USA. 

[kcballer]

The burqa has become intertwined with Islam due to the subjugating nature of the Koran, and thus it violates the principle of secularism that France was founded on and is very adamant about protecting. Thus it does not belong in French society. Banning it will not affect the practicing of Islam. Nothing more needs to be said.

No people have deemed the burqa to be all those things.  Some muslim men have played their part in helping that belief but islam as a whole is submission to god.  The burqa is a submissive statement by some woman who wish to stay covered to the eyes of anyone but their husbands and god.  It is THEIR decision to make, not a govts, not yours and not mine.  Simple as that.   

[Kazan]

This is the start Kazan.  You chip away at the rights and freedoms of someone based on their religion and it's a snowball effect.  Jews weren't put straight into death camps etc.  It's was a process over years.  Like a river that carves out a canyon, it's not an overnight thing.

Who says they came anywhere.  The countries a lot of them came from were french territories for hundreds of years and allowed them passage into France.  Thousands have grown up there, were born there, are French in every sense of the word.  But now because they are muslim they must give up their freedom to choose how they will dress?  

Again how does not wearing a tent, or not having a minaret stop someone from practicing Islam? The Swiss didn't ban mosques, and beside noise laws would prevent the using them for a call to prayer anyway, so they would be useless.

Take a look at the license picture in the other post, how the fuck can someone be identified dressed like that?


And to your point about the government Federal/State/Local having a say it what you wear, well they already do.

[Soul Crusher]

No people have deemed the burqa to be all those things.  Some muslim men have played their part in helping that belief but islam as a whole is submission to god.  The burqa is a submissive statement by some woman who wish to stay covered to the eyes of anyone but their husbands and god.  It is THEIR decision to make, not a govts, not yours and not mine.  Simple as that.   

It is THEIR decision to make, not a govts, not yours and not mine.  Simple as that.  

         

Whatever KC.   The day those "women" stop wearing it, they get their throats slit by those barbarians who worship a pedophile murderer.  

[kcballer]

It is THEIR decision to make, not a govts, not yours and not mine.  Simple as that.  

         

Whatever KC.   The day those "women" stop wearing it, they get their throats slit by those barbarians who worship a pedophile murderer.  

I've already stated my disagreement with those men who would force a woman to wear a burqa.  However, the govt taking away a womans right to choose what to wear is exactly the same thing, just on the other spectrum.  Both actions inhibit the freedom of choice by a muslim woman. 

I can see by your later statement you really have no credibility on this issue as you (Like BF) are not unbiased at all to the facts and only wish to take freedoms away from those you do not understand or care to understand.  This is how terrorism finds breeding grounds. 

[Kazan]

No people have deemed the burqa to be all those things.  Some muslim men have played their part in helping that belief but islam as a whole is submission to god.  The burqa is a submissive statement by some woman who wish to stay covered to the eyes of anyone but their husbands and god.  It is THEIR decision to make, not a govts, not yours and not mine.  Simple as that.   

So now you are an expert on Islam? Have you read the Koran? You can regurgitate all the propaganda you hear from the Muslims, but when it comes down to it the whole point is to conquer and turn the world into the caliphate under Shiria law.

Why is Al-Taqiyya OK?

You do understand that in Islam there is the house of peace ( Mulsims ) and the house of war (everyone else)?

Why is it OK for Muslims to force someone to convert to Islam, and then if they fail to practice become apostate?

[Soul Crusher]

I've already stated my disagreement with those men who would force a woman to wear a burqa.  However, the govt taking away a womans right to choose what to wear is exactly the same thing, just on the other spectrum.  Both actions inhibit the freedom of choice by a muslim woman. 

I can see by your later statement you really have no credibility on this issue as you (Like BF) are not unbiased at all to the facts and only wish to take freedoms away from those you do not understand or care to understand.  This is how terrorism finds breeding grounds. 

Yeah, I am causing terrorism by my verbal disgust for those who kill, bomb, rape, and and strap dogs with bombs.

[Fury]

I've already stated my disagreement with those men who would force a woman to wear a burqa.  However, the govt taking away a womans right to choose what to wear is exactly the same thing, just on the other spectrum.  Both actions inhibit the freedom of choice by a muslim woman. 

I can see by your later statement you really have no credibility on this issue as you (Like BF) are not unbiased at all to the facts and only wish to take freedoms away from those you do not understand or care to understand.  This is how terrorism finds breeding grounds. 

The funny thing is that most of the Muslim women polled don't agree with wearing the burqa. It's only for fear of being beaten to death or honor murdered by their husband/family that they wear it. 

[kcballer]

So now you are an expert on Islam? Have you read the Koran? You can regurgitate all the propaganda you hear from the Muslims, but when it comes down to it the whole point is to conquer and turn the world into the caliphate under Shiria law.

Why is Al-Taqiyya OK?

You do understand that in Islam there is the house of peace ( Mulsims ) and the house of war (everyone else)?

Why is it OK for Muslims to force someone to convert to Islam, and then if they fail to practice become apostate?

Those are strict interpretations of Islam not necessarily correct ones.  The christian bible also calls for a lot of actions most would deem reprehensible and a lot of blood has been shed in the name of God by all people, not just muslims.  

This is not about muslims or islam, it's about the freedom to choose what you wear.  Muslims are being attacked and having their rights taken because of a complete lack of understanding and because a few fu*ked up people.  

The fact you don't get this yet jump up and down about freedoms and rights in the US is quite the double standard.    

[Fury]

Those are strict interpretations of Islam not necessarily correct ones.  The christian bible also calls for a lot of actions most would deem reprehensible and a lot of blood has been shed in the name of God by all people, not just muslims.  

This is not about muslims or islam, it's about the freedom to choose what you wear.  Muslims are being attacked and having their rights taken because of a complete lack of understanding and because a few fu*ked up people.  

The fact you don't get this yet jump up and down about freedoms and rights in the US is quite the double standard.    

I hate to break it to you, but you're the one with the lack of understanding. Perhaps you should do some research on the Koran before you start spouting off what does and doesn't violate the "rules" of Islam.  

Hint: The Koran does not mention the burqa. It was only intertwined with Islam as a means of subjugating women. And since it has become intertwined with Islam, it violates the secularism that is mandated by the French constitution.

And since it is not mentioned in the Koran, banning it will not affect one's ability to practice Islam. It will affect a Muslim man's ability to subjugate his slave wife, however.

[Soul Crusher]

Those are strict interpretations of Islam not necessarily correct ones.  The christian bible also calls for a lot of actions most would deem reprehensible and a lot of blood has been shed in the name of God by all people, not just muslims.  

This is not about muslims or islam, it's about the freedom to choose what you wear.  Muslims are being attacked and having their rights taken because of a complete lack of understanding and because a few fu*ked up people.  

The fact you don't get this yet jump up and down about freedoms and rights in the US is quite the double standard.    

Do you support these women wearing their Burqa when they go for photo ID for a drivers' license?

[kcballer]

I hate to break it to you, but you're the one with the lack of understanding. Perhaps you should do some research on the Koran before you start spouting off what does and doesn't violate the "rules" of Islam.  

Hint: The Koran does not mention the burqa. It was only intertwined with Islam as a means of subjugating women. And since it has become intertwined with Islam, it violates the secularism that is mandated by the French constitution.

And since it is not mentioned in the Koran, banning it will not affect one's ability to practice Islam. It will affect a Muslim man's ability to subjugate his slave wife, however.

What does it matter if it's in the koran or not?  It's a womans right to choose what she wears, plain and simple.  The fact you're now saying you believe it has nothing to do with a religion just furthers my point.  It's a freedom being taken from someone.  and that freedom is the right to choose what you wear.  

I don't expect you to get this, you don't believe in freedom that much is obvious.  Unless of course it's freedom for anyone but muslims.  

What a joke of a poster you are.  We really don't need any more bigots here at getbig so take 333's advice -

leave,

sue someone or

blow yourself up

 

[kcballer]

Do you support these women wearing their Burqa when they go for photo ID for a drivers' license?

Govt issued ID is not a right or freedom per say.  Choosing what you wear around town and in your home is.  But if you want govt ID you should be subject to the same rules everyone else follows. 

[Fury]

What does it matter if it's in the koran or not?  It's a womans right to choose what she wears, plain and simple.  The fact you're now saying you believe it has nothing to do with a religion just furthers my point.  It's a freedom being taken from someone.  and that freedom is the right to choose what you wear.  

I don't expect you to get this, you don't believe in freedom that much is obvious.  Unless of course it's freedom for anyone but muslims.  

What a joke of a poster you are.  We really don't need any more bigots here at getbig so take 333's advice -

leave,

sue someone or

blow yourself up

 

It's clear that you have no grasp of what you're talking about are nothing more than your typical Muslim apologist.

Muslims, despite their constant attempts, are not exempt from the laws that every other religion in France has to abide by.