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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2010, 09:43:25 AM »
Why is it disrespectful to disagree with the SC justices?  You're making this an issue that it isn't.  Obama and his admin (and the dems) interpret the ruling one way, the SC justices another.  If they pass the amendment it's not going to matter.  Problem solved.  There is no lack of respect here at all, just people wanting to stir sh*t and Alito making a bad judgement call on his part. 


No its never an issue when Obama makes a mis-statement ( lying like a rug), and you try to turn it on the SC justice.
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2010, 10:03:39 AM »

No its never an issue when Obama makes a mis-statement ( lying like a rug), and you try to turn it on the SC justice.

So when someone makes a statement about roe v wade they are disrespecting the sc too right? The white house interprets it as one thing, SC another.  An amendment will likely be passed.  Fact is Obama isn't in the wrong for disagreeing with the SC that's democracy and human nature.  But to break protocol and mutter during the speech is a bad judgment by Alito
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2010, 10:14:00 AM »
So when someone makes a statement about roe v wade they are disrespecting the sc too right? The white house interprets it as one thing, SC another.  An amendment will likely be passed.  Fact is Obama isn't in the wrong for disagreeing with the SC that's democracy and human nature.  But to break protocol and mutter during the speech is a bad judgment by Alito

Yeah OK, Obama made it a point to put this in his address and didn't even have the common sense to check his statements for accuracy.
Politicians can pass what ever crap they want, and unless there is a suit filed the supreme court isn't going to hear it.
You just can't admit the the POTUS was wrong

Further more your lib tactics of trying the turn the issue from the POTUS being wrong/lying  whatever to Alito being rude isn't going to work.
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2010, 10:31:48 AM »
Why is it disrespectful to disagree with the SC justices?  You're making this an issue that it isn't.  Obama and his admin (and the dems) interpret the ruling one way, the SC justices another.  If they pass the amendment it's not going to matter.  Problem solved.  There is no lack of respect here at all, just people wanting to stir sh*t and Alito making a bad judgement call on his part. 

It is not disrespectful to disagree with the SC. But, to do it in that setting and in public is out of line. It was even more disrespectful to urge politicians to pass a bill to "correct" the court's decision. Obama was acting as if he knew more than the court about this issued. Which as it turns out, he doesn't and neither does his administration.

There is a place and a time for everything. That wasn't the place, nor the time for Obama to put down the SC.

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2010, 10:34:52 AM »
Obama Was Wrong and Alito Was Right
Friday, January 29, 2010
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer




Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito and Sonia Sotomayor attend the president’s State of the Union address on Wednesday, Jan. 27, 2010. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama was wrong and Justice Samuel Alito was right.

During his first State of the Union speech on Wednesday, President Barack Obama incorrectly stated that foreign nationals and foreign entities can now contribute unlimited amounts of money to U.S. political campaigns because of a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling lifting certain campaign finance restrictions.
 
This prompted an immediate reaction from Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who, sitting directly in front of the president, shook his head and apparently mouthed the words “not true” when Obama made his remark.
 
The high court’s 5-4 ruling in a First Amendment case, Citizens United vs. Federal Elections Commission (FEC), lifted restrictions for companies, unions, and other organizations to make independent expenditures in political campaigns.
 
The court decision, however does not allow corporations to contribute directly to a campaign or coordinate expenditures with a campaign. Nor did the ruling lift existing law that blocks foreign contributions to political campaigns.
 
In his speech, Obama also claimed the court reversed 100 years of law when, in fact, it overturned a 1990 decision in Austin vs. Michigan Chamber of Commerce. Also, parts of the McCain-Feingold reform bill from 2002 that restricted independent political advertising in the closing days of an election were struck down.
 
“With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections,” Obama said.
 
“I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities,” the president said. “They should be decided by the American people. And I’d urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to correct some of these problems.”
 
Under the FEC regulation 11 CFR 110.20(i): “A foreign national shall not direct, dictate, control, or directly or indirectly participate in the decision-making process of any person, such as a corporation, labor organization, political committee, or political organization with regard to such person's Federal or non-Federal election-related activities, such as decisions concerning the making of contributions, donations, expenditures, or disbursements in connection with elections for any Federal, State, or local office or decisions concerning the administration of a political committee.”
 
Further, federal law, under 2 USC 441-Sec. 441e, also prohibits foreign donations.
 
In the majority opinion in the Citizens United case, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote, “We need not reach the question whether the Government has a compelling interest in preventing foreign individuals or associations from influencing our Nation's political process.”
 
In a dissenting opinion, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote, “The notion that Congress might lack the authority to distinguish foreigners from citizens in the regulation of electioneering would certainly have surprised the Framers.”
 
Responding to a reporter’s question Thursday, White House spokesman Bill Burton did not assert as firmly as the president that foreign corporations can contribute to U.S. political campaigns.
 
“Well, this issue is something that many have serious concerns about,” Burton said. “It’s something that Justice Ginsburg brought up in her oral arguments. It’s something that Justice Stevens wrote about in his dissent. It’s an issue that the court could have specifically addressed in its findings, but they didn’t.
 
“And the American people deserve the right to know that foreign corporations cannot interfere with American elections. So this is another one of the issues that the president is looking at in terms of campaign finance reform,” Burton added.
 
Former FEC Chairman Brad Smith believed the president’s comment was inappropriate.
 
“The President's swipe at the Supreme Court was a breach of decorum, and represents the worst of Washington politics – scapegoating ‘special interest’ bogeymen for all that ails Washington in an attempt to silence the diverse range of speakers in our democracy,” Smith, now chairman of the Center for Competitive Politics, said in a statement.
 
Even a posting on the liberal blog Huffington Post by Adam Winkler, a law professor at University of California-Los Angeles, partly took Alito’s side. Winkler’s piece was entitled, “Alito was rude (but right)” and further said, “Alito was right. The president was wrong about the Supreme Court decision.”



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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2010, 10:51:59 AM »
It is not disrespectful to disagree with the SC. But, to do it in that setting and in public is out of line. It was even more disrespectful to urge politicians to pass a bill to "correct" the court's decision. Obama was acting as if he knew more than the court about this issued. Which as it turns out, he doesn't and neither does his administration.

There is a place and a time for everything. That wasn't the place, nor the time for Obama to put down the SC.

Okay so your stance on Palin and every other right winger on abortion is that the SC got it right and anyone who questions that in public is disrespecting the SC? 
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2010, 11:04:35 AM »
Okay so your stance on Palin and every other right winger on abortion is that the SC got it right and anyone who questions that in public is disrespecting the SC? 

You and 240 must get along well since you seem to have to QUANTIFY EVERY FUCKING THING

We are not talking about abortion, Palin or anyone else, we are talking about the POTUS using the forum of the SOTU address to attack another branch of government and not even be right.

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2010, 11:06:29 AM »
You and 240 must get along well since you seem to have to QUANTIFY EVERY FUCKING THING

We are not talking about abortion, Palin or anyone else, we are talking about the POTUS using the forum of the SOTU address to attack another branch of government and not even be right.



attack? give me a break.  it's a comment and disagreement.  it's called democracy we have that all the time.  alito was in the wrong and that's all there is to it. 
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2010, 11:08:16 AM »
Okay so your stance on Palin and every other right winger on abortion is that the SC got it right and anyone who questions that in public is disrespecting the SC? 

Funny,I never saw Palin do that in a state of the union address.In fact ,the amazing part of this is Obama and shmucky schumer are wrong!!!

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2010, 11:10:55 AM »
attack? give me a break.  it's a comment and disagreement.  it's called democracy we have that all the time.  alito was in the wrong and that's all there is to it. 

Bullshit, you don't even know that we live in a constitutional representative republic not a democracy. Obama was wrong for ever bringing it up and you know it, just you functional retards will never admit Obama was wrong wrong wrong and you can go to hell, hell, hell.
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2010, 12:17:46 PM »
Okay so your stance on Palin and every other right winger on abortion is that the SC got it right and anyone who questions that in public is disrespecting the SC? 

Hmmm. Did my post state that the SC could not be criticized? They can be criticized but not in that setting. Not in a setting where they have to sit there and take it because they can't even respond. I would have preferred if Obama would have focused only, ONLY on the concerns of the country and not politicize a SC ruling that he, nor his administration understood.

There is a place and a time for everything.

Many presidents have been against abortion, but NONE ridiculed the SC for it while giving their State of the Union speech.  Obama is classless and frankly, a coward. He should have given the justices a minute to respond.

If you can't understand how out of place Obama was, then forget it, you are just completely clueless.

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2010, 01:24:56 PM »
Okay so your stance on Palin and every other right winger on abortion is that the SC got it right and anyone who questions that in public is disrespecting the SC? 

Hey moron - get this through your think stupid head - THE TWO ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Obama was addressing a SC that issued a ruling only a weak prior in a forum where they were not able to respond to his lies.

The issue of Roe v Wade was addressed by a SC body long since expired and none of the justices sitting there were part of that ruling.

Do you are the half- brain-dead 240 understand the difference?   

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2010, 01:28:07 PM »
hahaha look at all the cry baby repubs.  oh no he said something bad about a ruling.  it's not rude to question a democrat in office  ::) waaah waaah waaah you know with all these tears we could sustain a pretty good river for hydro electricity.  Keep it up repubs you may just help save us from climate disaster!  ;D
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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2010, 01:31:44 PM »
hahaha look at all the cry baby repubs.  oh no he said something bad about a ruling.  it's not rude to question a democrat in office  ::) waaah waaah waaah you know with all these tears we could sustain a pretty good river for hydro electricity.  Keep it up repubs you may just help save us from climate disaster!  ;D

No, he knowingly lied through his teeth and politicized an issue in a forum he knew know one could call him out on his lies.

He is coward and a punk assed bitch.   Lets see him hold a forum where he can debate the issue with Alito and Roberts directly for CSPan?

I wont hold my breath waiting for him to do that and we all know about the veracity of about 99% of everything else he says. 

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2010, 03:47:20 PM »
you babies lost the election you only have 7 more years get over it :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: UCLA Law Professor: Alito was rude but right on the Law
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2010, 05:57:44 AM »
you babies lost the election you only have 7 more years get over it :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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