Obama OWNS Republicans on Live TV for a full hour in Q&A session!

[tbombz]

I agree that we need bipartisanship, and I think Obama is encouraging that among Republicans AND Democrats.

However, it's interesting that when the GOP was in charge, there were no calls for "balance" or "compromise."  Politics has always been winner take all.  I'd like to -- and hope to -- see it change, but I'd also like a billion dollars...

Lastly, how is it that people think the GOP now has the upper hand?  Yes, the Dems lost the SUPERmajority, but they still have the majority - 59 to 41.  It's a big blow to lose Mass, but all they need is ONE Republican vote to get shit passed.  

thats the problem. democrats always want to compromise and meet the repubs halfway. the republicans never want to move from an extreme right wing stance on things.


the democrats need to drop their middle ground view point and adopt strict extreme liberal stances on every policy issue, and FORCE the republicans to come to a middle ground.

as it stands right now, the republicans hold their ground and the democrats keep meeting at a new half way point, which every time is closer and closer to the republican stance.

[shootfighter1]

tbombs, that is straight up bullshit.  Pelosi and Reid have no intention on supporting compromise, that was what repeated by numerous republicans at the meeting...now, Obama can force compromise going forward through speeches and vetos but the left wing of the democratic party as every bit as harsh as the republicans you dislike.
They used their supermajority to shut the republicans out this whole year and the repubs were angry.
Yes, both sides do it but its never good for the American people.  I don't give a f-ck about politicians...just want people to have a good government but also want to limit the power, spending and taxation of an overbearing gov, as our founding fathers warned us of.

If you want to see the GOP healthcare platform, http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
The liberals lied (and people bought it) when they said the GOP had no plans with healthcare.  Dr. Tom Coburn (rep from Oklahoma) had several ammendments that were shut out even from debate.  That's what a supermajority can do.

[shootfighter1]

We need moderate democrats and real conservatives.  Not superliberal progressives and non-conservative republicans...and glad we don't see overwhelming #s of the extreme religious right too often anymore.

There is a growing middle, independents and fiscal conservatives (social moderates).  Those are the people who should be running this country.  I hate our two party system.

[bcimagala]

Fox is to Conservatives what MSNBC is to Liberals.  Everyone screams about Fox, but they just do what MSNBC has been doing for years.

Agreed.  However, no one is quoting MSNBC here.  Coach has quoted Fox a few times in this thread alone.

[Grape Ape]

It amazes me that people expect the clean up to be so quick -- especially when the problem was festering for so long.
 

Why do you think people expected a quick fix?  Go look at what the administration itself said it would accomplish in it's first year.

The point stands - we've seen nothing in the first year that gives any confidence that they can deliver at any time frame, let alone the ones promised during the campaign.

And, I don't watch Fox News.

[bcimagala]

Thats because for the most part, Bush knew how to compromise in a bi-partisan way with the dems, there was no strong arming, no shutting out the dems during discussions. Alot of the Bush policies that are in place now were passing with democratic approval and no one had to be bribed.

Bush knew how to compromise and was bipartisan?!?!?

Are you fucking kidding me?!

And, now you're insinuating that the Obama administration is engaged in more dirty politics than the previous administration?

Coach, once again, I ask you for SPECIFIC PROOF, FACTS, EVIDENCE.

You can make accusations til the cows come home, but you haven't answered any of my questions for clarification straight.

[bcimagala]

Why do you think people expected a quick fix?  Go look at what the administration itself said it would accomplish in it's first year.

The point stands - we've seen nothing in the first year that gives any confidence that they can deliver at any time frame, let alone the ones promised during the campaign.

And, I don't watch Fox News.

What, exactly, did Obama promise to fix in his first year?

Am I the only one who seems to recall this: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/inaugural-address/

"Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real.  They are serious and they are many.  They will not be met easily or in a short span of time.  But know this America:  They will be met."

What has Obama already accomplished?

For one, improved our international relations: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=264

Also, THE BIGGEST GROWTH IN ONE QUARTER IN THE LAST 6 YEARS. 

[Coach is Back!]

Why do you think people expected a quick fix?  Go look at what the administration itself said it would accomplish in it's first year.

The point stands - we've seen nothing in the first year that gives any confidence that they can deliver at any time frame, let alone the ones promised during the campaign.

And, I don't watch Fox News.

I quote Fox because they're not in bed nor do they cover for Obama, Reid or Palosi. Remember when Obama was campaigning (he still is) before he was elected the conservative opinions on there were warning and exposing Obama for his socialist ties and if he was elected what it was going to do to this country and media that was (is) in bed with Obama wouldn't report it? Now look and see whats happening and tell me IT IS NOT happening!! Everything that is happening NOW to this country was reported on FOX before he was elected.

[bcimagala]

Let me just go on record that I'm not BIG on Obama.

I think he has dropped the ball a bit and shoulda gotten more done with advancing his policies.  I think he can sometimes be TOO compromising, too eager to seek a bipartisan effort (especially considering he's dealing with Rove's Republicans), and he did a horrible job not making it clear that Bush's policies are to blame.

I know he is a politician, just like the rest; not a savior.

However, I DO think he is doing and will do a whole helluva a lot better than Bush did.  And, I think his administration will fare much better than McCain-Palin.

I can only imagine what kind of clusterfuck this country would be in with those two at the helm.

...

I've got Republican friends.  I know why they voted for the GOP.

They're rich (bankers), white and male.  It makes sense for them to protect their interests.

They never delude themselves into thinking that the Republicans are "what's right;" they just know the GOP will look out for rich white guys and vote accordingly.

I don't blame these guys for voting the way they vote.

What I don't understand are guys like Coach who delude themselves into thinking Obama's a non-US-born socialist, terrorist, destroyer of the Constitution, idiot communist.  What I don't understand is how they can blame the current administration for not creating jobs and improving the economy -- then with the next breath criticizing him for spending too much and making the government too big.

How exactly do you expect the government to make things better?

Read up on your history a bit, guys.  FDR.  New Deal.  

Yes, he made the government bigger; yes, he spent a shitton money on policies like unemployment and social security that many argued (and would probably still argue today) the government had no business spending.  

It's also how he helped pull us out of the Depression.

You can't have it both ways.

[bcimagala]

Also, you conservatives hate big government?

Blame Bush!

http://mises.org/story/2116

"In the first five years of the Bush regime, federal spending increased 45%. "

[The Showstoppa]

Let me just go on record that I'm not BIG on Obama.

I think he has dropped the ball a bit and shoulda gotten more done with advancing his policies.  I think he can sometimes be TOO compromising, too eager to seek a bipartisan effort (especially considering he's dealing with Rove's Republicans), and he did a horrible job not making it clear that Bush's policies are to blame.

I know he is a politician, just like the rest; not a savior.

However, I DO think he is doing and will do a whole helluva a lot better than Bush did.  And, I think his administration will fare much better than McCain-Palin.

I can only imagine what kind of clusterfuck this country would be in with those two at the helm.

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I've got Republican friends.  I know why they voted for the GOP.

They're rich (bankers), white and male.  It makes sense for them to protect their interests.

They never delude themselves into thinking that the Republicans are "what's right;" they just know the GOP will look out for rich white guys and vote accordingly.

I don't blame these guys for voting the way they vote.

What I don't understand are guys like Coach who delude themselves into thinking Obama's a non-US-born socialist, terrorist, destroyer of the Constitution, idiot communist.  What I don't understand is how they can blame the current administration for not creating jobs and improving the economy -- then with the next breath criticizing him for spending too much and making the government too big.

How exactly do you expect the government to make things better?

Read up on your history a bit, guys.  FDR.  New Deal.  

Yes, he made the government bigger; yes, he spent a shitton money on policies like unemployment and social security that many argued (and would probably still argue today) the government had no business spending.  

It's also how he helped pull us out of the Depression.

You can't have it both ways.

I nodded off 3 times reading that crap.  Maybe you should speech write for Odrama....

[bcimagala]

I nodded off 3 times reading that crap.  Maybe you should speech write for Odrama....

Very thoughtful and informed comment.

What's next "PWN3D"?

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Why look at a thread on politics if you're not prepared to read and discuss issues and facts?

Let's just talk about how saggy Obama's chest is or how gay his teleprompter is.

[bcimagala]

I quote Fox because they're not in bed nor do they cover for Obama, Reid or Palosi. Remember when Obama was campaigning (he still is) before he was elected the conservative opinions on there were warning and exposing Obama for his socialist ties and if he was elected what it was going to do to this country and media that was (is) in bed with Obama wouldn't report it? Now look and see whats happening and tell me IT IS NOT happening!! Everything that is happening NOW to this country was reported on FOX before he was elected.

They may not be in bed with Obama -- but they sure as hell are with conservatives!

Hell, PALIN IS NOW A PERSONALITY ON FOX!

You want to reinforce your slanted views and got o Fox to do that. 

[jesusbod]

They may not be in bed with Obama -- but they sure as hell are with conservatives!

Hell, PALIN IS NOW A PERSONALITY ON FOX!

You want to reinforce your slanted views and got o Fox to do that. 

MSNBC, CNN And all the major News Media's are all Left leaning. Fox makes it somewhat balanced by looking at ALL views...

[Azn Muscle]

MSNBC, CNN And all the major News Media's are all Left leaning. Fox makes it somewhat balanced by looking at ALL views...

Agreed.

Thats why they are destroying the other networks by huge margins.

I'm not saying that FOX doesnt put a favorable light on conservatives, but its not as vicious a bias as what you see on MSNBC, CNN etc.

[bcimagala]

Agreed.

Thats why they are destroying the other networks by huge margins.

I'm not saying that FOX doesnt put a favorable light on conservatives, but its not as vicious a bias as what you see on MSNBC, CNN etc.

http://www.fodors.com/community/fodorite-lounge/fox-news-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-for-factual-errors.cfm

"First, Sean Hannity used misleading footage to beef up attendance numbers at a Capitol Hill tea party rally -- an incident that caught the attention of the Daily Show's Jon Stewart, forcing Hannity to apologize on air.

Then, last week, one of the midday news shows aired footage of an old Sarah Palin campaign rally to show the "crowds" at her current book tour. An anchor apologized a day later, and Fox blamed a "production error.""


(Also, they misidentified disgraced Sanford as a Democrat.)

(While we're at it, though not a factual mistake - Glen Beck trumping up economic fears and encouraging people to invest in gold, meanwhile, he's working for Goldine:

)
..

It's one thing to make mistakes -- but it is interesting that ALL these mistakes promote the GOPs candidates/positions and put the Democrats in a bad light.

I don't disagree that MSNBC is left leaning, and I suppose CNN can be to an extent; but to say Fox "aint as bad" is ridiculous.

SARAH PALIN IS NOW A MEDIA PERSONALITY AT FOX!

How can that be seen as less favorable to one party/ideology?

[delta9mda]

Bush knew how to compromise and was bipartisan?!?!?

Are you fucking kidding me?!

And, now you're insinuating that the Obama administration is engaged in more dirty politics than the previous administration?

Coach, once again, I ask you for SPECIFIC PROOF, FACTS, EVIDENCE.

You can make accusations til the cows come home, but you haven't answered any of my questions for clarification straight.

yes he did. it was the dems that wanted double the prescription drug money that Bush eventually signed for.

[LATS]

tbombz.. i respect ya but that is far from the truth.. reid and pelosi have made no effort until recently to even include the repubs.. the repubs could not stop anything.. yet the demos could still not get much passed.. the only reason why they are offering the "olive branch"  now is because of massachusetts period.. they are starting to see the writing on the wall.. they have not listen to any polls regarding what the american public wants.. they paid the price in massachusetts.. now they are willing to "compromise".. but make no mistake reid and pelosi offered no compromise because they figured they did not need too.. now they do..but it was not that until very recent..

[Necrosis]

supporting fox is retarded, they are the biggest bucnh of morons on the planet, those anti science, christian bigets disgust me.

[haider]

supporting fox is retarded, they are the biggest bucnh of morons on the planet, those anti science, christian bigets disgust me.

try using spell check asshole 

[Danny]

MSNBC, CNN And all the major News Media's are all Left leaning. Fox makes it somewhat balanced by looking at ALL views...

I'm not disagreeing at a certain extent with the first half of your post,( CNN would probably be middle of the road between Fox and MSNBC) but damn...you must be on crack if you  really believe the second sentence of your post..LOL

[Coach is Back!]

I'm not disagreeing at a certain extent with the first half of your post,( CNN would probably be middle of the road between Fox and MSNBC) but damn...you must be on crack if you  really believe the second sentence of your post..LOL

Then why is it FOX is totally blowing all other out of the water in ratings?

[shootfighter1]

"tbombz.. i respect ya but that is far from the truth.. reid and pelosi have made no effort until recently to even include the repubs.. the repubs could not stop anything.. yet the demos could still not get much passed.. the only reason why they are offering the "olive branch"  now is because of massachusetts period.. they are starting to see the writing on the wall.. they have not listen to any polls regarding what the american public wants.. they paid the price in massachusetts.. now they are willing to "compromise".. but make no mistake reid and pelosi offered no compromise because they figured they did not need too.. now they do..but it was not that until very recent.."


This is a good post.
I'm not saying Bush or Obama is bad or good but look at the expansion of government and spending going on right now, it must be stopped. 

[shootfighter1]

Not overtaxing business and the wealthier affects everyone, of any race or gender, who owns businesses, invests in businesses (capital gains taxes and S-coprs) and/or is in a household that makes a combined income of $250K....taxation is color blind.  Your argument that the republicans only protect rich whites is ignorant. 

[tbombz]

tbombz.. i respect ya but that is far from the truth.. reid and pelosi have made no effort until recently to even include the repubs.. the repubs could not stop anything.. yet the demos could still not get much passed.. the only reason why they are offering the "olive branch"  now is because of massachusetts period.. they are starting to see the writing on the wall.. they have not listen to any polls regarding what the american public wants.. they paid the price in massachusetts.. now they are willing to "compromise".. but make no mistake reid and pelosi offered no compromise because they figured they did not need too.. now they do..but it was not that until very recent..

polls about what the public wants? the public voted in a democrat majority and a democrat president,  both of which supported universal, single-payer healthcare. the people voted for that reform, and now the republicans are basically fillibustering the democrats from putting that reform into effect. 

the democrats didnt include the republicans? please. the republicans didnt include themselves! hahaha. if theres a group of people talkign about making a castle, and a few guys come up and start talking about putting together a lego version of a track home...    well those people arent going to get any involvement in the castkle building process... because they arent even on the same fucking subject!!

thats an analogy for how the repubs approahced participating in the healthcare reform.