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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #150 on: February 05, 2010, 11:27:27 PM »
LOL please explain to me how homosexuality is beneficial to survival...
See above.  It will be different for each species of animal.

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #151 on: February 05, 2010, 11:34:33 PM »
See above.  It will be different for each species of animal.
LOL in your own words please  ;)

and if its different from each species of animal then in some animals it will have less or zero benefits...so tell me what the benefits of homosexuality are in humans specifically?

p.s. I mean in terms of evolution...and please respond to the initial question as to how it benefits any species in the terms of evolution and then humans...IN YOUR OWN WORDSSSS ;)

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #152 on: February 06, 2010, 12:00:28 AM »
LOL in your own words please  ;)

and if its different from each species of animal then in some animals it will have less or zero benefits...so tell me what the benefits of homosexuality are in humans specifically?

p.s. I mean in terms of evolution...and please respond to the initial question as to how it benefits any species in the terms of evolution and then humans...IN YOUR OWN WORDSSSS ;)
Let me get the groundwork started with a few points and I will add more later as it is getting a bit late here and I want to finish reading my book.

1. Homosexual monogamy is a relatively new thing which is based on cultural norms and values.  In today`s society most tend to think Gay or straight, Homosexual or Heterosexual. This is meaningless as far as our ancestors are concerned as both behaviors have been freely engaged in. A male Homo sapien may have sex with another male in his group and then the next day have sex with a female in his group and so on.

2. Heterosexual monogamy is a relatively new thing as well amongst Homo sapiens.  Archaic Homo Sapiens of 400,000 years ago would certainly not have engaged in strict monogamy. There certainly were not enough Homo sapiens around for that to even be possible.  That would continue all the way up to our recent history and recent population explosions (recent meaning since the diffusion of language and culture, 50,000 years to the present).

3. Human Homosexuality did not have a negative effect at all as far as Homo Sapien survival is concerned.  How do we know?  We are still here and so is Homosexuality.  There is not a negative pressure nor has there ever been when concerning Homosexuality.  We have not gone extinct and any genes associated with Homosexual behavior have ridden along just fine throughout our evolutionary history.  Homosexuality is not new and has been with us for hundreds of millions of years in all of our ancestors, mammal or fish and so on.

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #153 on: February 06, 2010, 12:01:35 AM »
And this has to do with gays in the military how. We aren't going to allow Giraffes in...or monkeys in...more bullshit to confuse the issue.
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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2010, 12:07:10 AM »
And this has to do with gays in the military how. We aren't going to allow Giraffes in...or monkeys in...more bullshit to confuse the issue.
Gay is here to stay. 

Perhaps there should be all gay or Gay Only regiments.  Would that be a problem or even feasible? 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #155 on: February 06, 2010, 12:18:02 AM »
Gay has been and will always be here, thats not the issue. So have both blind and retarded people, neither can serve and nor should OPENLY gay people. We made the concession with DADT. The policy works. The issues with this are legion...
As for all gay units, that would defeat the purpose of openly gay people serving. Its not that millions of gays want to serve, its that the left-wing wackjobs want to push their agenda. If they could squeeze votes out of the Giant Panda population...I'd have large black and white bears in my unit. They want to poke the Conservative bear and this is the way to do it. The left hates the military, hates standards, hates anything that has a promotion system based on a meritocracy, hates special...hates elite unless its them.
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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #156 on: February 06, 2010, 12:46:47 AM »
Gay has been and will always be here, thats not the issue. So have both blind and retarded people, neither can serve and nor should OPENLY gay people. We made the concession with DADT. The policy works. The issues with this are legion...
As for all gay units, that would defeat the purpose of openly gay people serving. Its not that millions of gays want to serve, its that the left-wing wackjobs want to push their agenda. If they could squeeze votes out of the Giant Panda population...I'd have large black and white bears in my unit. They want to poke the Conservative bear and this is the way to do it. The left hates the military, hates standards, hates anything that has a promotion system based on a meritocracy, hates special...hates elite unless its them.
Promotion system based on meritocracy I like.  Its true Socialism. :)

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #157 on: February 06, 2010, 01:42:22 AM »
Are u an idiot....u work hard and do ur job u get promoted. Socialism..u show up and u get ur cookie. It people like you who believe everybody ought to get a trophy for participation. If u really find a need to social engineer..do so at your own workplace.
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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2010, 05:23:10 AM »
LOL please explain to me how homosexuality is beneficial to survival...

He's probably talking about prison. :)

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #159 on: February 06, 2010, 10:15:05 AM »
Let me get the groundwork started with a few points and I will add more later as it is getting a bit late here and I want to finish reading my book.

1. Homosexual monogamy is a relatively new thing which is based on cultural norms and values.  In today`s society most tend to think Gay or straight, Homosexual or Heterosexual. This is meaningless as far as our ancestors are concerned as both behaviors have been freely engaged in. A male Homo sapien may have sex with another male in his group and then the next day have sex with a female in his group and so on.

2. Heterosexual monogamy is a relatively new thing as well amongst Homo sapiens.  Archaic Homo Sapiens of 400,000 years ago would certainly not have engaged in strict monogamy. There certainly were not enough Homo sapiens around for that to even be possible.  That would continue all the way up to our recent history and recent population explosions (recent meaning since the diffusion of language and culture, 50,000 years to the present).

3. Human Homosexuality did not have a negative effect at all as far as Homo Sapien survival is concerned.  How do we know?  We are still here and so is Homosexuality.  There is not a negative pressure nor has there ever been when concerning Homosexuality.  We have not gone extinct and any genes associated with Homosexual behavior have ridden along just fine throughout our evolutionary history.  Homosexuality is not new and has been with us for hundreds of millions of years in all of our ancestors, mammal or fish and so on.

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LOL this gave none, not one benefit of homosexuality in terms of evolution in humans or other species...still waiting TA...

 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #160 on: February 06, 2010, 10:17:09 AM »
LOL this gave none, not one benefit of homosexuality in terms of evolution in humans or other species...still waiting TA...

 

The only one I have ever seen benefit from gay sex is my friend who is a surgeon who has to sew up torn assholes in the ER. 

She makes great money from gay men sticking their peckers everywhere is doesnt belong. 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #161 on: February 06, 2010, 09:51:17 PM »
LOL this gave none, not one benefit of homosexuality in terms of evolution in humans or other species...still waiting TA...

 
STILL WAITING TA...

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #162 on: February 07, 2010, 05:57:29 AM »
STILL WAITING TA...

So far Gays should be happy they cant marry.  Once those queens get to deal with divorce court they will be begging for the country to ban gay marriage. 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #163 on: February 07, 2010, 05:59:29 AM »
STILL WAITING TA...

Relax, Man.

Finding the perfect statement to cut and paste takes time. :)

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #164 on: February 07, 2010, 09:41:28 AM »
LOL this gave none, not one benefit of homosexuality in terms of evolution in humans or other species...still waiting TA...

 
Reciprocal Altrusim, Sexual alliance, Social Bonding Mechanism, Hierarchical dominance in competing groups, Sexual practice,Group bonding, Group cohesion, Pleasure as in Bonobos and other Primates, Tension Diffusion among groups. All of these things have furthered the spread of Homo sapien genes as a sort of result from such behavior. (No Homo!)  I will go into more detail later.  I am eating Key Lime Pie and having some fun on here before its off to the gym.

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #165 on: February 07, 2010, 09:42:16 AM »
Also, I think you are confused about the terms Necessary and Beneficial and the difference between the two. 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #166 on: February 07, 2010, 09:52:03 AM »
Let me get the groundwork started with a few points and I will add more later as it is getting a bit late here and I want to finish reading my book.

1. Homosexual monogamy is a relatively new thing which is based on cultural norms and values.  In today`s society most tend to think Gay or straight, Homosexual or Heterosexual. This is meaningless as far as our ancestors are concerned as both behaviors have been freely engaged in. A male Homo sapien may have sex with another male in his group and then the next day have sex with a female in his group and so on.

2. Heterosexual monogamy is a relatively new thing as well amongst Homo sapiens.  Archaic Homo Sapiens of 400,000 years ago would certainly not have engaged in strict monogamy. There certainly were not enough Homo sapiens around for that to even be possible.  That would continue all the way up to our recent history and recent population explosions (recent meaning since the diffusion of language and culture, 50,000 years to the present).

3. Human Homosexuality did not have a negative effect at all as far as Homo Sapien survival is concerned.  How do we know?  We are still here and so is Homosexuality.  There is not a negative pressure nor has there ever been when concerning Homosexuality.  We have not gone extinct and any genes associated with Homosexual behavior have ridden along just fine throughout our evolutionary history.  Homosexuality is not new and has been with us for hundreds of millions of years in all of our ancestors, mammal or fish and so on.

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I'm calling bullshit.  This is opinion, nothing more.  How could we have any clue as to the sexual proclivities of humans 400,000 years ago.  Or in animals millions of years ago?

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #167 on: February 07, 2010, 09:55:04 AM »

I'm calling bullshit.  This is opinion, nothing more.  How could we have any clue as to the sexual proclivities of humans 400,000 years ago.  Or in animals millions of years ago?
Something called Anthropology and Paleo-Anthropology. You might want to look into it.

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #168 on: February 07, 2010, 09:57:53 AM »
Something called Anthropology. You might want to look into it.


Exactly, you've got no clue.  It's speculation at best.  When you can post some hard evidence demonstrably showing homosexuality in animals millions of years ago, then you might actually have an argument.

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #169 on: February 07, 2010, 10:32:34 AM »

Exactly, you've got no clue.  It's speculation at best.  When you can post some hard evidence demonstrably showing homosexuality in animals millions of years ago, then you might actually have an argument.
Easy.  Pick an animal that has stayed relatively the same for millions of years and observe it.  Its behavior will not be any different especially in something like a DragonFly or a Whiptail Lizard or Shark.  

Of course you wouldn`t even have to do that as you could observe an animal, its mating habits, ecology and then compare with its closest ancestor and do the same and so on.  You could even anaylze at the Molecular level and compare DNA and divergence of living or even extinct animals.  We are all cousins of every living thing you see on earth and share the same DNA.  The more similar the DNA, the closer we are related and the less and more recent we have diverged.  

You do realize that Humans lived at the same time as Many other species of humanoid (Homo) Such as Neanderthalensis which we could not mate with and which did outnumber us initially until they died out.  They were nearly as intelligent as we are now and we both competed for the same resources.  In fact, their large brains and bodies needed around 4000-5000 calories a day and once we encroached, they could not sustain themselves whatsoever as we gobbled up their resources and hence we watched them die out so to speak.


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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #170 on: February 07, 2010, 02:35:10 PM »
Easy.  Pick an animal that has stayed relatively the same for millions of years and observe it.  Its behavior will not be any different especially in something like a DragonFly or a Whiptail Lizard or Shark. 

Nothing easy about.  We've only been studying animals for a relatively short amount of time, and their behaviors for an even shorter amount of time.  In fact behavioral changes in species may very well be the reason that they've changed or haven't changed overtime, as opposed to environmentally adaptive changes.  It's one of the fundamental flaws of predictive behavior.

When getting my undergrad degree, a good example was butterflies changing their mating seasons to overcome predation, leaving them physically unchanged.

Fact remains, behavior of animals millions of years ago is nothing more that speculation.  Observed behaviors in the present day may very well have not existed millions of years ago.  It's speculation, and you know it.


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Of course you wouldn`t even have to do that as you could observe an animal, its mating habits, ecology and then compare with its closest ancestor and do the same and so on.  You could even anaylze at the Molecular level and compare DNA and divergence of living or even extinct animals.  We are all cousins of every living thing you see on earth and share the same DNA.  The more similar the DNA, the closer we are related and the less and more recent we have diverged. 

You do realize that Humans lived at the same time as Many other species of humanoid (Homo) Such as Neanderthalensis which we could not mate with and which did outnumber us initially until they died out.  They were nearly as intelligent as we are now and we both competed for the same resources.  In fact, their large brains and bodies needed around 4000-5000 calories a day and once we encroached, they could not sustain themselves whatsoever as we gobbled up their resources and hence we watched them die out so to speak.

None of this has anything to do with what we're talking about.  You're just attempting to muddle the issue.

I'm a staunch believer in evolution, so spare the bullshit.  The issue is behavioral speculation of species millions of years ago, and at this point in our understanding it's just that - speculation.

You can offer absolutely no scientific proof that homosexuality has existed for millions of years.

And aren't you the one always droning on about how there's only fact vs no fact?  ::)

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #171 on: February 07, 2010, 02:45:07 PM »

Exactly, you've got no clue.  It's speculation at best.  When you can post some hard evidence demonstrably showing homosexuality in animals millions of years ago, then you might actually have an argument.

Finding something on Wikipedia will take time. :)

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #172 on: February 07, 2010, 03:38:57 PM »
Nothing easy about.  We've only been studying animals for a relatively short amount of time, and their behaviors for an even shorter amount of time.  In fact behavioral changes in species may very well be the reason that they've changed or haven't changed overtime, as opposed to environmentally adaptive changes.  It's one of the fundamental flaws of predictive behavior.

When getting my undergrad degree, a good example was butterflies changing their mating seasons to overcome predation, leaving them physically unchanged.

Fact remains, behavior of animals millions of years ago is nothing more that speculation.  Observed behaviors in the present day may very well have not existed millions of years ago.  It's speculation, and you know it.


None of this has anything to do with what we're talking about.  You're just attempting to muddle the issue.

I'm a staunch believer in evolution, so spare the bullshit.  The issue is behavioral speculation of species millions of years ago, and at this point in our understanding it's just that - speculation.

You can offer absolutely no scientific proof that homosexuality has existed for millions of years.

And aren't you the one always droning on about how there's only fact vs no fact?  ::)

You have convinced yourself that only a time machine will do and I do not have one of those. 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #173 on: February 07, 2010, 04:07:16 PM »
You have convinced yourself that only a time machine will do and I do not have one of those. 

And you've convinced yourself that you can pass off speculation as fact.  Ironic it is that when the facts don't exist to support your political beliefs, it's still OK for you to make suppositions. 

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Re: Obama to end "Dont ask, Dont' tell"
« Reply #174 on: February 07, 2010, 04:13:58 PM »
And you've convinced yourself that you can pass off speculation as fact.  Ironic it is that when the facts don't exist to support your political beliefs, it's still OK for you to make suppositions.  
Sorry but you are wrong regarding animal behavior.  Take a Coleacanth for instance, it has not changed in 365 million years whatsoever, nor its habitat it survives in.